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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:35 PM

 

Inauguration: What's with all the praying?

Lot of public prayers in public places. Should this bother me? Are these people being paid to pray in public buildings?

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Reply Inauguration: What's with all the praying? (Original post)
Bennyboy Jan 2013 OP
datasuspect Jan 2013 #1
Brickbat Jan 2013 #8
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #13
ScreamingMeemie Jan 2013 #2
RebelOne Jan 2013 #3
zappaman Jan 2013 #5
FSogol Jan 2013 #12
emulatorloo Jan 2013 #20
Bennyboy Jan 2013 #6
RudynJack Jan 2013 #17
avebury Jan 2013 #34
leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #4
HappyMe Jan 2013 #7
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #9
msongs Jan 2013 #11
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #14
Bennyboy Jan 2013 #23
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #24
Bake Jan 2013 #35
Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #10
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #15
jeff47 Jan 2013 #19
phleshdef Jan 2013 #16
La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #18
Raine Jan 2013 #21
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #22
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #33
sad-cafe Jan 2013 #25
Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #26
CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #27
longship Jan 2013 #28
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #31
longship Jan 2013 #36
demwing Jan 2013 #39
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #29
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #30
ReformedGOPer Jan 2013 #32
Phx_Dem Jan 2013 #37
demwing Jan 2013 #38

Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

1. Matthew 6:6

 

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:46 PM

8. One of my favorite verses.

I remember asking about it, and not getting a very good answer.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:52 PM

13. One contemporary and popular interpretation is that the passage instructs...

One contemporary and popular interpretation is that the passage instructs Christians not to pray simply to be noticed praying, but instead, to pray for its own purposes.

However, I imagine one would have to absolve themselves of an adherence to a literalism of all passages, and accept that allegory, metaphor, and poetry & song are not often to be read as literal.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

2. If this is all you have to worry about today...well then...

Yay for you.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:40 PM

3. I am an atheist, but I looked past all the praying. n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:42 PM

5. Me too.

It really isn't that big of a deal as some here wish to make it...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:52 PM

12. Today seems to be really upsetting for some people.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:05 PM

20. Lots of grasping at straws

Or is it throwing shit at the walls to see what sticks?

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:43 PM

6. So did I...

 

But today it was kind of weird...especially for him to center unity/equality etc as a theme to his speech. Seems to me that he is excluding an awful lot of people. He never mentioned the I Ching did he?

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:58 PM

17. Same here.

And even if I don't believe, I don't hate the idea that people ask for guidance from whatever powers may or may not exist. I'm not hurt by it, and many others seem to like it.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:43 PM

34. I don't take it too seriously.

Anybody wanting to get ahead in politics now a days has to come across publicly as religious. Anybody can go to church, learn to quote religious text but that does not necessarily mean that they are believers. Some politicians may do what they need to do to get elected, particularly if they live in red states like Oklahoma.

This comment is in no way a comment on what President Obama's beliefs are or are not. It is just a general comment on what it takes to play the political game.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:41 PM

4. meh - let the people pray

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:44 PM

7. Well it's over, so...



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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:47 PM

9. No one was being paid today. Today is a federal holiday.


Also, Congress is not in session today.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:50 PM

11. mlk day is a paid holiday for federal employees.

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Response to msongs (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:53 PM

14. Well I guess what I meant was they are not at work, it's a day off :)


Anyway, it's their free time and can pray wherever they wish to



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:30 PM

23. Oh please, look a bit farther

 

The security was being paid. The people that set up the chairs, the sound, the stage, the xtra police on the parade route etc all are being paid, and paid well, to allow people to do the exact opposite of separating Church and State on property owned by the taxpayers..

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Response to Bennyboy (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:36 PM

24. I doubt that the secret service, police, security guys were praying and had their eyes closed.


Still the fact remains NO ONE was being paid to pray.

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Response to Bennyboy (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:01 PM

35. They were being paid to protect the President, set up the chairs, run the sound, etc.

Not to pray. They would have worked and been paid whether there was prayer or not.

Your President is a Christian. Deal with it.

We do this every four years, and there are always prayers and singing and choirs and all the trappings. This is our national civil religion, and God gets brought into it. We invoke God's blessings on the nation and the President. Deal with it.

Bake

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:50 PM

10. Highly annoying ... Gotta pay homage to the invisible, non-existent dude in the sky.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:55 PM

15. Almost as often as we pay homage to many other non-existent things

Almost as often as we pay homage to many other non-existent things, allowing them to control our own world views-- philosophies, politics, economics, the arts, etc...

However, I do realize that we often dismiss and trivialize one set of imaginary constructs due to our faith in other imaginary constructs.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:00 PM

19. Such as? (nt)

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:58 PM

16. You do realize what country this is right?

I'm not a believer, but I don't naively pretend that I'm not in the minority. The vast majority of people in this country are religious on some level. I just accept it and move on. I only care when its used as a basis for passing legislation. Other than that, it doesn't hurt anyone.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:00 PM

18. because no one really reads the bible

or the constitution but in many ways we ignore these things because there are bigger battles to fight

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:10 PM

21. Tradition. Did you really think there wouldn't be any. nt

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:11 PM

22. Tradition

When was the last time you went to city council? Invocations are the norm, not the exception.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:39 PM

33. And that is someplace I DO object to them. Because it is a government function.

This is essentially a party.

The official swearing in was yesterday and had nothing religious about it. But you'd think we had just entered a new Inquisition today, with people being burned at the stake for not being Christians.

Give me an effing break.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:03 PM

25. I can't tell you if it should bother you. It does not bother me tho.

 

I thought it was all fantastic

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:09 PM

26. By definition

The word inauguration can be traced back to the early Roman Republic (510 BC 27 BC). In the early Roman Republic, all major decisions, such as when to go to war, and who to appoint to positions of power were decided upon by Augurs.

In Rome, an augur was considered to be a divine soothsayer who could interpret the will of the gods by observing the flight patterns of birds.

The Latin noun inauguratio was derived from the verb inaugurare (to take omens from birds in flight).

http://www.altalang.com/beyond-words/2009/01/20/etymology-of-inauguration/

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:10 PM

27. Yes it should bother you, very much because if

you do not let this bother you, very much, then you will have to find something else to bother you, very much and I think that would be a chore.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:23 PM

28. Obama's disgusting religiosity!

I really love my president but that's one facet of his character which I find reprehensible and utterly disgusting. He allowed Rick "Fucking" Warren to give the inaugural sermon four years ago. I was so disgusted that I turned off the TV and saw nothing more of that auspicious and culturally changing event.

But Barack Obama did this year precisely what he did four years ago. He pandered to the Christians; he gave the "Christian Nation" crowd comfort. No! Nobody invoked Jesus' name. But merely the fact that he did not hold the public inaugural on Sunday -- the Christian sabbath, but few others -- gave comfort to that very idea.

What do Jews, or a Moslem, or a Seventh Day Adventist, think when a president is inaugurated on Saturday? Sunday is special nearly exclusively to Christians.

But the Constitution says nothing of this. Nor does it say anything about prayers, nor "so help me God" in the oath.

Enough of this rubbish!

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Response to longship (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:36 PM

31. Where in the Constitution does it forbid a benediction at the inauguration or mandate that it be on

Sunday?

Just curious.

Do you have a problem with freedom when it comes to a black president? I don't recall fussing about this when Bush did it twice in a much more exclusionary way, or that his entire 8 years were spent trying to force christofascism down everyone's throats. Where were you and your friends then?

Nevermind. I already know.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:08 PM

36. Huh? I do not understand your post.

What are you saying here?

There is no mention of god in the Constitution, nor a forbidding of inaugural a on Sunday, nor a "So help me God" in the oath. All of these are artificial cultural additions to what was, by the only law that prescribed such, a strictly secular observance.

We have artificially put this veneer of religiosity over this. One wonders if the Devine right of kings had the same origin. That's the same divine right which 78 individuals put their names on a certain document in 1776 -- celebrated on 4 July -- that would the divine monarch's agents had known, would have been hung for treason.

We have no divine right here in the USA. There are no god given rights here. We are endowed by our (deistic) creator that all people were created (evolved) equal.

Here:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That creator was neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Moslem, nor Buddist, nor any other. It was a place holder for an obtuse concept, possibly a deist terminology (which was culturally relevant at the time). But it certainly did not imply any religiosity, which in these days is the almost inevitable interpretation... and most certainly historically incorrect.

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Response to longship (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:29 PM

39. Wow. Such drama.

Hope this didn't ruin your week.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:23 PM

29. The "Welcome to America" Wagon is on its way (the other threads on this didn't suffice for you?).

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:32 PM

30. Nothing that hasn't happened in every presidential inauguration since Washington's.

This is about the tenth thread on this theme. I guess Rove sent out a memo.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:37 PM

32. One of my wack job FB friends

is now saying that the Pledge of Allegiance was said today by POTUS omitting "one nation, under God" . Did anyone notice if that happened? I don't think it did, but before I open my mouth I wanted to check.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:26 PM

37. No one's forcing you to pray. Don't infringe on the right of others to pray.

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Response to Bennyboy (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:27 PM

38. We have a religious president

what were you expecting?

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