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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:03 PM

I may be wrong but Kerry's wife is the most intelligent woman there

IF she is the lady wearing a hat.

Why did they change the custom to not wearing a hat? It must be when the pope said you don't have to wear a hat to church, and after centuries of having to put something on your head, the women took them off and left them off forever. (not catholic by the way)....

Maybe the pope needs to start them wearing hats again to start a new industry giving jobs and employment to many.

Go, Mrs. Kerry. But you need the pope.

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Reply I may be wrong but Kerry's wife is the most intelligent woman there (Original post)
fadedrose Jan 2013 OP
crim son Jan 2013 #1
fadedrose Jan 2013 #6
crim son Jan 2013 #24
Bucky Jan 2013 #47
crim son Jan 2013 #50
GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #8
Fla Dem Jan 2013 #37
CherokeeDem Jan 2013 #2
In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #3
GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #9
In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #30
GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #33
amandabeech Jan 2013 #27
karynnj Jan 2013 #39
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #4
fadedrose Jan 2013 #7
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #17
Tanuki Jan 2013 #34
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #35
Bucky Jan 2013 #48
Owl Jan 2013 #55
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #26
amandabeech Jan 2013 #29
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #38
amandabeech Jan 2013 #43
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #36
MoonRiver Jan 2013 #46
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #5
fadedrose Jan 2013 #10
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #14
fadedrose Jan 2013 #16
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #20
fadedrose Jan 2013 #22
northoftheborder Jan 2013 #28
amandabeech Jan 2013 #31
NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #11
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #13
fadedrose Jan 2013 #18
amandabeech Jan 2013 #32
ananda Jan 2013 #41
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #12
NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #15
fadedrose Jan 2013 #19
cali Jan 2013 #21
fadedrose Jan 2013 #23
fadedrose Jan 2013 #25
karynnj Jan 2013 #42
fadedrose Jan 2013 #44
fadedrose Jan 2013 #45
karynnj Jan 2013 #49
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #40
gateley Jan 2013 #51
fadedrose Jan 2013 #52
gateley Jan 2013 #53
DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #54

Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

1. I'm having trouble understanding your meaning with this post.

People who wear hats are smarter than those who don't? People who abide by tradition are smarter than those who don't? Or am I totally off the mark?

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Response to crim son (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:11 PM

6. It is cold outside

When I just take out birdseed I pull up my hood.

Hats are warm. These political wives all requested that their coats and dresses be lined because of the COLD.

Hats are practical. Not the kind the Queen wears when she goes somewheres and the women there all wear them.

If you notice the crowds, many many common people wore warm hats.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:25 PM

24. Gotcha.

As somebody who lives in Maine but never wears a hat, that didn't even occur to me. I can be pretty numb sometimes.

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Response to crim son (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:55 PM

47. ipso facto

alea jacta est

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Response to Bucky (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:53 PM

50. Audio, video, disco.

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Response to crim son (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:12 PM

8. When it's freezing cold outside...

...yes, people who wear hats are smarter than those who don't. You lose much of your body heat through your head.

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Response to crim son (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:28 PM

37. You lose a lot of body heat through your head. A hat makes you feel warmer. n/t

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:08 PM

2. I really like Teresa Kerry but....

I suspect Hillary might have an edge in intellect...but not much of one.

And there is always the first lady, Michelle Obama, who is pretty smart herself...

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Response to CherokeeDem (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:09 PM

3. I agree

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:14 PM

9. And, they're also sitting in a part the grandstand that is being heated.

At least Michelle is. She doesn't really need a hat there.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:56 PM

30. There are many intelligent women there today.

Maybe they just enjoy the freedom to feel the sun shining down on them.

Unless it's raining, I feel that wearing a hat is merely a fashion statement.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:09 PM

33. Having spent two dozen winters in Chicago...

...and a few in Colorado, as well as two dozen summers in the South, and a few in Phoenix, I consider a hat protection from the elements. I consider NOT wearing a hat when conditions call for one the "fashion statement". Of course, if people want to freeze their asses off, that's their business.

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Response to CherokeeDem (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:37 PM

27. Don't forget Dr. Jill Biden, who also seems like one sharp cookie.

Also in V.P. spouses, there was the late Elizabeth Edwards.

Really, recent Dem Pres and VP spouses have been and are powers unto themselves.

It takes a very secure guy to marry wonderful women like them.

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Response to CherokeeDem (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:08 PM

39. All three of those women are very intelligent

We have no way to asses which is smarter. Teresa has done many amazing things - all very quietly. One was that Teresa was the person behind the combined effort of Pittsburgh's philanthropists in the 1990s which actually transformed the city and revitalized it. She was also a force behind it becoming a very green city. Parts of the book that she wrote with her husband that were written by her show a very focused, brilliant woman.

It goes without saying that Hillary and Michelle are very intelligent as well.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:10 PM

4. Aargh, no, I hate hats!

To each his or her own, but if hats become fashionable again I will defy fashion and still not wear them because I look like the world's biggest dork in a hat. Even when it's below zero I won't wear one. There are some lines that simply cannot be crossed.

Some people look elegant in them.

Then there was the one that looked like a big pink toilet seat that was worn by the princess at the last royal wedding. Not all hats are attractive, even on attractive, non-dorky people.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:12 PM

7. lol. I never had a pink toilet seat lol

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

17. Never had a hat like this?



There are hats, and then there are hats.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:15 PM

34. She auctioned it after the wedding and gave the proceeds to charity

The hat fetched $130K on e-bay, and she gave the money to UNICEF and Children in Crisis.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2011/05/royal-roundup-princess-beatrices-hat-earns-130000-for-charity/

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:19 PM

35. Its incredible hideousness almost certainly increased its value exponentially.

I'm glad she gave the money to a good cause.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:56 PM

48. obviously photoshopped

No, I mean the teeth

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:42 PM

55. Looks like a bow on a toilet seat.

I don't get it.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:36 PM

26. That pink toilet seat hat was intended to be outlandish,

as was that one's eye makeup. She was telling the other royals what she thought of them and their foofaraw, and I applauded her.

Princess Beatrice, IIRC. Fergie's child.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:53 PM

29. When I first glampsed that hat, I thought that it was a pair of African

antelope horns!

Fergie lives within the Royal Family in the guise of her daughter.

I wonder what the Queen thought when she saw that hat!

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:48 PM

38. I'm sure she was completely mortified. I suspect the Queen has only the tiniest sense of humor,

and that it never comes out in any public venue.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:50 PM

43. Agreed.

Although she did go along with the "James Bond" entrance to the London Olympic Games.

It was quite surprising.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:26 PM

36. She definitely succeeded!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:52 PM

46. But you have to admit it was an elegant toilet seat.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:10 PM

5. The myth is that it was JFK who put an end to hats as a fashion "thing"

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:15 PM

10. No, it was Jackie. She wore this tiny veil as big as a handkerchief, and it was acceptable at

at church. I used to be Catholic...so I know.

She wore a little veil because they went boating all the time, and she'd slip one on to go to church...

Pants - same way. Jackie wore them. She did more to change the church than the pope when you stop and think of it.

And babushkas. Everybody had at least 5, washed, ironed and ready to go, and this was in the US, not Russia...

Isn't there anyone here who's at last 70 years old???

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:18 PM

14. Jackie didn't "put an end to" wearing hats! Just the opposite!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:19 PM

16. She wore them at political affairs, as was the custom...

At private functions, she didn't..only veils if in church. Maybe when they went overseas she wore them as part of their custom there.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:21 PM

20. Well, the OP refers to a political event. Plus, Jackie's lace mantilla was okay for church!

Catholic here, too.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

22. I already forgot what the OP said

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:43 PM

28. Babushkas, yes I, and everyone female wore those in the 40's, early 50's, but we didn't know....

that's what they were called; just the scarf we wore on our heads when it was cold. Not to church though, we wore hats then, (sometimes, not required in our church, just the fashion). Can't remember when I stopped wearing those head scarves, prolly early 50's; but stopped wearing hats to church in the early 70's.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:01 PM

31. Back in the early '60s, many women would wear a gauzy scarf or hood over their hair

when outdoors in windy conditions. My Mom had one that she sometimes wore while accompanying my Dad on his evening fishing expeditions

Boating was one activity, riding in a convertible was another. Usually, the scarves were a pretty, sheer color.

Remember, women's hair then was often set on rollers, teased, combed and into a style. "Then the style was "set" by spraying on about a half can of extra-strength hairspray. The legendary Aquanet hairspray was the best. What women ended up with was a helmet-like hair sculpture on their heads.

No one wanted to allow a gust of wind to topple the sculpture and go back to the first step of setting it back on rollers.


They weren't referred to as veils, though.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:15 PM

11. Jackie was famous for her hats

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:18 PM

13. Oh I know. But JFK hated wearing hats and the legend is that

this killed that fashion trend (for men). It's just that, though: a legend.

http://www.primermagazine.com/2010/learn/the-man-who-killed-the-hat

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:20 PM

18. They were small, and just kept her hair neat

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:02 PM

32. This was called the "pillbox" style, a favorite of Jackie's. nt

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:11 PM

41. Oh God!

Jackie Kennedy was so beautiful, with a sort of ethereal class that is matchless.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:17 PM

12. Talking about WOMEN here. And JFK STILL wore his top-hat on I.D.:

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:19 PM

15. JFK looking quite dapper there

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:21 PM

19. He really hated hats!!!

Gawd he was handsome...

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

21. lol. you don't really need a hat when it's 40 frickin' degrees outside.

I don't know why on earth you think that's cold, hon.

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

23. Its 20 something here in Michigan

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:27 PM

25. What's so funny is that everytime I go to a store, I buy another warm hat

and then I give it away. I hate despise loathe hats, and I think it comes from them making me wear one to church until Jackie came along.

It really threw me when Mrs. Kerry wore one, and I had to give her credit for being her own woman.

Can't like her a lot tho because of Heinz soup. Took everything but Heinz Ketchup to ENgland to be made there and left Pittsburgh, the old home of Heinz where the buildings still stand. And their 39 cent pork and beans are now available fo $2 at the local store. And I just noticed my keyboard doesn't have a symbol for "cents"

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:18 PM

42. It is not true that everything is made in England

The fact is that there are Heinz products sold in England that are made in England. The ones sold in the US are made in the US. In fact, years ago, we had an English nanny who had her family send her a few cans of English Heinz beans - which she loved. I had picked up cans at the store, after explaining that Heinz was an American company, but she did not like the American ones at all. We found out that they produce product tailored to the tastes of each country.

Not to mention, Teresa has nothing to do with the Heinz company. She runs the Heinz family foundation which is a philosophical foundation which has given grants to Pittsburgh, many environmental causes, women's health care etc.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:49 PM

44. THere are no American made Heinz beans in PA or MI. They left shortly after Sen. Heinz died.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:50 PM

45. Also, baby food. Heinz baby food left us too. It was good.

They didn't used to be made in England going back 30 years ago or so.

THis is before Kerry...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:55 PM

49. Neither John Kerry or Teresa Heinz Kerry have ANY input with Heinz

She owns some Heinz stock, but it was less than 4% of the company's stock. Senator Heinz himself did NOT run Heinz.

As I said, the UK Heinz beans - which ARE made in the UK - taste different than the American. Here is one source that explains that
"
Heinz baked beans became very successful as an export to the UK, where canned baked beans are now a staple breakfast food, in America the H. J. Heinz Co. continue to sell baked beans, however they are not always as widely distributed as competing American brands. Despite their international fame there are currently substantial differences between the Heinz baked beans produced for the UK market (descended from the original American recipe) and the nearest currently equivalent American product (Heinz Premium Vegetarian Beans).
The American product contains brown sugar where the British beans do not, and the US product contains 14g of sugar per 16 oz tin compared to 7g for the British version (equating to 140 vs 90 calories). The US beans have a mushier texture and are darker in color than their UK counterpart. This has resulted in a situation where the product is now imported back to the brand's home country. For several years, the UK Heinz Baked Beans have been available in the US, either in different sized cans from those sold in the UK or in a 385 gram can (the same can as the 415 gram can in the UK) with an "export" label with American English spelling and the word "baked" dropped from the title on the label. These are sold in many US specialty stores, such is the popularity of baked beans and their appeal to expats. Bush, Van Camp, B&M, and Heinz all produce pork-free baked beans labeled as vegetarian beans, making this American dish available to people who abstain from pork for religious, dietary, or ethical reasons."




As to when those British factories opened, here is a link that shows the oldest opened in 1958. This is before Teresa even married John Heinz!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Baked_Beanz

I don't have a can in my panty, but I suggest that you look at the grocery store the next time you go. The cans in the supermarkets here are from the US.

Not that it matters as Teresa has no say in any of that.

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:11 PM

40. It is Washington DC, so any inconvenience has at least 10x the value it might have elsewhere

hence a balmy 40 degrees (F.) for you and I seems one flake short of a blizzard in DC.

It is part of an unbearable trend of aggrandizing the trivial that has reached almost maniacal proportions of late.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:07 PM

51. I was raised Catholic and I recall going to my friend's Protestant church and we didn't have to

have a head covering there.

I think generally, like gloves, women wore hats to protect them from the sun (ditto parasols). Back then the only people with sun-darkened skin were those who labored in the fields. The upper crust was milky white. Then Coco Chanel made it chick to hang out on the Riviera and people who had the means to do so were sporting tans. Always emulating the upper classes, the masses started getting tanned, too. No need to protect oneself from the sun, no need for hats and gloves (or parasols!).

It's interesting, too, that years ago they equated girth with wealth -- only the wealthy could overeat to their hearts' content. It was the poor and starving who were gaunt. Now that table has turned, too. Only those who are comfortable can afford to buy "good" food and steer clear of the manufactured stuff, which IMO is the cause of our obesity situation.

That's my view of history, anyway.

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Response to gateley (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:19 PM

52. You're so right. As a Catholic how I envied the Protestants

Now I am neither and envy neither and still hate hats.

Which now takes us to fish. If we weren't obligated to eat fish so often, Fridays, Lent, Advent, etc., maybe fish would have lasted longer. I love fish now, didn't then, and it's so expensive.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:33 PM

53. I think the ditching of the headgear was part of the Vatican II "revolution" --

They took it so seriously before then that if a woman didn't have a hat, she had to put her husband's handkerchief (something else that seems to have disappeared) on her head. At least at my Parish they did!

The only fish I ate was tuna fish sandwiches -- something I still love. My mother and brother loved fish and had it, but my dad only liked crab, shrimp and lobster -- nothing with bones. I was always daddy's little girl so I stayed away from fish, too, but never liked the texture of shrimp or lobster. So on Friday nights my brother and mom would be having sole or salmon, my dad crab or lobster, and I'd have a tuna or peanut butter sandwich.

I've since acquired a taste for some fish (though still not shrimp or lobster -- the texture) and as you note, it's so expensive!

I love hats, though -- something I did pick up from my mother.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:27 PM

54. I saw one guy wearing a fedora

One.

I rarely wear jackets or coats. I wear a pashmin.

I almost always wear hats and I have quite a collection.

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