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Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:08 PM

Far Right Poses As Much Danger To The U.S. As Radical Islam

The West Point think tank known as the Combating Terrorism Center has issued a paper on the dangers posed by the far right in this country, specifically people who espouse “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government,” and says that these people tend to be anti-federalist, white supremacist, and fundamentalist in their views.

According to the paper, liberalism, including that which is seen in other developed nations, looks forward to the future, while conservative movements, especially those here, look backward and cling to an idealized version of history. They also hold a belief that the government is inherently tyrannical and given to intruding on civil and constitutional rights as much as they can. According to the paper, these people initiated 350 attacks in 2011.



One of the core issues with the extreme right is that while they espouse individual freedom and like to try and spread fear regarding the government’s activities, they also seem to believe in a type of authoritarianism—one of the very things they profess to loathe in government—that includes a strong resistance to authority from what they view as “outgroups,” namely blacks and women, unions, and more.

They also seem to view the Constitution as a static document, unchanging despite the way society has changed over the last 230 years, and want laws made and judges to rule based on the original intent of the document. Here’s the issue with that: When it comes to the 2nd Amendment (for example), the original intent of the amendment was to preserve slavery. The words, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” refer to the freedom of white men in the southern states to own slaves, and to police those slaves with their militias as they saw fit. The original intent was not to ensure the people’s freedom from a tyrannical government, which is what every gun-rights activist espouses today

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/20/far-right-poses-as-much-danger-to-the-u-s-as-radical-islam/

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Reply Far Right Poses As Much Danger To The U.S. As Radical Islam (Original post)
DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP
newfie11 Jan 2013 #1
redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #2
indepat Jan 2013 #3
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #11
indepat Jan 2013 #34
datasuspect Jan 2013 #4
sasha031 Jan 2013 #5
datasuspect Jan 2013 #6
loudsue Jan 2013 #15
Festivito Jan 2013 #32
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #8
datasuspect Jan 2013 #9
Phlem Jan 2013 #13
Festivito Jan 2013 #28
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #30
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #16
ananda Jan 2013 #33
2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #7
47of74 Jan 2013 #12
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #17
pampango Jan 2013 #27
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #31
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #35
2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #36
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #10
2naSalit Jan 2013 #19
Coyotl Jan 2013 #14
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #18
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #20
DearAbby Jan 2013 #21
B Calm Jan 2013 #22
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #23
Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #24
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #25
bowens43 Jan 2013 #26
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #29

Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:12 PM

1. Agreed nt

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:21 PM

2. Absolutely!!!!!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:38 PM

3. And a 2009 Department of Homeland Security report identified domestic

right-wing extremist groups as the greatest threat to America, its people and government, a greater threat than posed by Islamic extremists. Yet, efforts to stem the threat posed by domestic right-wing extremist groups seem meager when considering $100s of billions are expended annually to thwart any world-wide threat posed by Islamic extremists. Something is badly out of kilter here, especially when considering that our government reportedly targeted, harassed, and crushed the Occupy Wall Street movement, seemingly proclaiming that left-wing protest/dissent against the oligarchs and plutocrats is not protected under the First Amendment or will not be tolerated notwithstanding its constitutionality.

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Response to indepat (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:34 PM

11. Here's your answer IMHO:

The 1% are mostly Talibornagains. They live very private lives in part because they don't want the 99% to know who they are really up against.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:37 PM

34. Bingo

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:39 PM

4. i wonder why the FBI mobilizes against left wing movements

 

and not right wing movements?

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:07 PM

5. I've been wondering the same thing too for years.

spying on anti war protesters, when we have real life dangerous militias throughout the county.

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:09 PM

6. the answer is the 60s

 

movement ideology, left wing radicalism, black panthers carrying guns: we came perilously close to widespread revolution back then.

our owners have made sure that will never happen again.

that's why they brought back the plantation in full regalia.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:49 PM

15. True. And the plan was all set out in what is known as the Powell Manifesto.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:02 AM

32. "enlighten public thinking" can mean to think LESS, rather than elucidate.

And I think, we think, they don't think.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:10 PM

8. Because we carry banners and not guns.....

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:12 PM

9. speech and ideas are more dangerous than guns and bullets

 

to the people that own us.

plus, they own all the WMDs.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:15 PM

13. You know

there was a NW progressive AM station called AM 1090 that disappeared this new year. The reasoning was it was owned by NBC, CBS, which I forget and it, and was a "new market" try. So the station disappeared because it wasn't a "talk show format" and it wasn't making money, and they opted for a sports channel instead, of which there are now 3.

As I go through the channels now, the right wing is well represented with load and clear stations, with no opposing talk lineup.

WA, OR, maybe Idaho were all listening to this station. The audience was huge from the sense that I listened to it everyday and could the hear all the calls coming through. They couldn't go through the phones fast enough.

Now the speech and ideas have been silenced. Just another business decision?



-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:50 AM

28. Here in Michigan, they closed it, took down the antenna and destroyed it.

They gave the station call letters to a minority organization. (I wonder if that is overseen by Clarence Thomas or Colin Powell.)

They recycled the antenna.

1310AM is now empty here in the Detroit area.

It was our ONLY liberal station.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1058594

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Response to Phlem (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:10 AM

30. It's very difficult here to find progressive radio stations. There are the university ones, one in

KC, I don't know if there are really any in Kansas, except for the university system.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:56 PM

16. Exactly, that is the bottom line! Speech and ideas can create a mass mind-movement, wherein guns

and bullets are physically focused. And, the top few percent can control more easily guns and bullets, wherein a mass mind-movement can spread quickly like wildfire ... and hence, of course, their desire to hamper and control the internet.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:06 AM

33. Good point!

These rabid rightwingers are not only left alone by the FBI but also aided and abetted by a complicit media with a rightwing agenda.

Destroying unions, waging war on women, minorities, and gays is convenient for the corporate fascists in order to keep us divided. The police state is also owned and controlled by the right, so there you are.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:09 PM

7. I vehemently disagree with that statement.

It's not "as much." It's much more.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:53 PM

12. That's my thought too.

They're even more dangerous because they're domestic rather than foreign.

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:59 PM

17. I've always felt the US has far more to fear from itself, from within,than from outside of the US.nt

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:39 AM

27. Well said. Our 1% causes so much more damage than the "them" defined by national borders. n/t

According to the study "nationalism" is the one common thread uniting far-right groups.

The study itself is at: http://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ChallengersFromtheSidelines.pdf

If there is one ideological doctrine about which there is almost full consensus regarding its importance for understanding the far-right worldview, it is that of nationalism. Historically, the literature on nationalism has taken diverse directions and is extremely rich, but in its varying guises it usually refers to the association between ethnic, cultural and/or linguistic identity and political expression, or more simply put, the convergence of a cultural framework with a political entity.

In the context of the far-right worldview, nationalism takes an extreme form of full convergence between one polity or territory and one ethnic or national collective. Two elements are required for the fulfillment of this version of the nationalist doctrine. The first is that of internal homogenization, i.e., the aspiration that all residents or citizens of the polity will share the same national origin and ethnic characteristics. The second is the element of external exclusiveness, the aspiration that all individuals belonging to a specific national or ethnic group will reside in the homeland.

Internal homogenization (US) versus external exclusiveness (THEM).

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Response to pampango (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:14 AM

31. Thank you for the link! I will read it in entirety! n/t

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:59 PM

35. Much, much more

It's not the Islamists who are bombing doctor's office, shooting Congress, purging voter rolls, and who flood the airwaves with hate and fear every day.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:31 PM

36. Not that they aren't a big problem.

Elsewhere. Not here.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:31 PM

10. MORE than. I am not terrified of Islamists the way I am

of Talibornagains.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:12 AM

19. Love that term...

It's so appropriate.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:26 PM

14. I include Fox news in the dangerous element on the right.

They incite the wingnuts with their falsehoods.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:00 AM

18. As well as, IMO, Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, that whole flock. n/t

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:12 AM

20. How many Americans were killed or even attacked by muslim extremists in the U.S. last year?

Isn't it zero? But right wing nutters have been killing abortion doctors, cops, and just regular folks, resulting in 350 attacks in 2011. Sure seems pretty clear to me who the real danger is.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:16 AM

21. They tell people he is a Brown muslim Hitler

then they tell them he is coming for their guns....they don't want to do the dirty deed themselves...

Paranoid...well Alex Jones is the face of the Pro Gun movement, now imagine him heavily armed...you damned right they are a threat.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:22 AM

22. K&R

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:43 AM

23. Yet DHS and the FBI are spying upon and attacking the Occupy Wall Street movement. n/t

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:55 AM

24. Funny how so many of us are silent about that little fact.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:11 AM

25. Probably because there are several steps which must be taken when faced with such monstrous info.

 

You must be willing to accept that something wrong is occurring, to name it, to look it in the eye, to be willing to speak about it when its mere presence implies you can be questioned by police/feds; you must be willing to connect with others also outraged and willing to speak out about it, to take to the streets and march upon police stations and fusion centers and government sites, despite the increased possibility of attack and jail and being on all sorts of lists.

I had to go through several of these steps to get to the point where I'd be on the streets shouting, and willing to support any others who will do so.

I ride the buses in LA. I see the "Homeland Security and LAPD 'iWatch'" banners rather often. As an Occupier, I've seen the LA lieutenant who is in charge of Special Order 11, at an LAPD attack upon OccupyLA, and sneaking photos of OccupyLA afterward. I've posted about this here. Special Order 11 makes LAPD a tentacle of DHS. And DHS member Peter King calls Occupy "angry losers living in their own filth". Big surprise the camps were systematically attacked and cleared. :/

Check my recent posts:

Cop strongly implies Occupy presence means increased terrorism threat; Federal agents at parade

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12524815


How our police departments are made into tentacles of the DHS, who are anti-Occupy


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12524847



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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:05 AM

26. of course they do and most of them are gun toting fundamentalist christians

these are the people the well regulated militia of the Constitution was meant to protect us and our government from.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:17 AM

29. Domestic right-wing extremists = GOP Base, hence nothing will be done about them

 

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