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Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:06 AM

Sunday Shooting Review

Here is just some of the gun violence from the past week that you should be aware of and which will hopefully motivate you to join the American Academy of Pediatrics and others who are advocating for ways to keep our kids safe:

• a 6-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who died after she likely shot herself in the face.

• a 15-year-old in Anchorage, Alaska who was shot in the leg as guns were fired at her home.

• a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, Georgia who was seriously injured, already requiring two surgeries, after shooting himself in his leg while hunting.

• a 4-year-old in Richmond, Virginia who unintentionally shot and killed a relative in his home using a gun he found on a table.

• a 2-year-old in Savannah, Georgia who unintentionally shot himself with a gun he found in a drawer.

• a 17-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who was unintentionally shot in the chest while he and a friend were handling a gun.

• a 16-year-old in Kearny, New Jersey who was shot and killed in her home while babysitting her younger brother.

• a 15-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot in the shoulder near LaFollete Park.

• a 17-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot and killed just outside the Chicago State University gymnasium after a high school basketball game.

• an 18-year-old in Watsonville, California who was shot and killed.

• a 16-year-old in St. Louis County, Missouri who was shot in the leg after leaving a high school basketball game.

• a 15-year-old in Columbus, Ohio who was shot and killed during an after-school fight.

• a 17-year-old in Baltimore, Maryland who was shot and killed.

• a 15-year-old in Wilmington, Delaware who was shot in the leg.

• a 12-year-old in Hazard, Kentucky who was shot and killed in a parking lot at Hazard Community and Technical College, along with her father and 20-year-old cousin.

• a 15-year-old in Yakima, Washington who is in critical condition after he was shot in the head. A 17-year-old companion was shot in the back.

• a 16-year-old in Lexington County, South Carolina who was shot in the back while sitting in a pickup truck.

• two young children in Kansas City, Missouri who were shot as gunfire from the street entered their house.

• a 14-year-old in Las Vegas, Nevada who was shot and killed outside a party at an apartment complex.


Read More: http://pediatrics.about.com/b/2013/01/20/sunday-shooting-review-2.htm



... See you next week!!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:17 AM

1. Rec.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:03 AM

96. Preacher, wife and 3 children dead, many guns including assult weapons in home

http://www.nebraska.tv/story/20634561/officials-nm-teen-gunman-kills-5-inside-home

By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN
Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - A 15-year-old boy remained in custody Sunday night as detectives tried to piece together what led to the shooting of his parents and three of their children who were found dead in a New Mexico home.

The teenager was arrested on murder and other charges in connection with the shootings, which happened Saturday night at the home in a rural area southwest of downtown Albuquerque, the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department said.

Authorities identified the victims late Sunday as Greg Griego, 51, his wife Sara Griego, 40, and three of their children: a 9-year-old boy, Zephania Griego, and daughters Jael Griego, 5, and Angelina Griego, 2. The suspect was identified as Nehemiah Griego.

... more at link above

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:20 AM

2. K&R

Gun nuttery sucks

yup

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:24 AM

3. Children and teens make up roughly half of all gun deaths every year

A disproportionate number of them are minority children.

Mostly they are shot while in their neighborhoods often while in their homes.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:25 AM

4. Now tell us how many this happened to because of hammers.....

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Response to Bandit (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:28 AM

5. and how many were

assault weapons

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:29 AM

6. Every. Damn. One.

Until you get that, you're going to stay in the cold on this issue.

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Response to Robb (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:00 AM

9. ^^^ Exactly ^^^

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:59 AM

22. Why don't you go look in a mirror and say thank you for your compassion.

Because no one else will.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:36 AM

32. ^+1^

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:55 AM

7. More young lives lost before we could learn what the could contribute.

Why?

So the obsessed can possess a beloved weapon of mass destruction. Anything that fires more than a few rounds is a weapon of mass destruction.

Why? Why must these children be sacrificed?

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:58 AM

8. Ok, now let's all go to church and "pray" about it...

Or, just maybe, God is telling us in His own way.. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:05 AM

10. I

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

really can't say what I feel on this site about America and it's violent, hypocritical culture without offending 'alerters-hypocrites' who have no clue. But what I will say about this post is what can be expected from a nation that glorified the gun in so many westerns on TV and big screen? John Wayne, you remember him right. 'She wore a yellow ribbon' ect ad infinitum. Guns and violence glorified by Bogart, Cagney, Pacino to name just a few. We will never get this mentality out of our culture as long as the gun is glorified in popular media as the final judge, jury and executioner. Duh. It's the culture and 300million plus weapons in general societal citizenry hands. I've been saddened by news like this post, but every since my youth, never surprised or even outraged. Guns, grew up around them, were always accepted as part of life by me.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:17 AM

11. Question

Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?

Or maybe they were already excluded from this list?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:24 AM

13. The answers you seek are at the link. n/t

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:26 AM

14. 6% of all homicides are gang-related.

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Per DOJ. So it's a good question, but the answer is likely a surprise.

Edited to add link: http://www.ojp.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2011/BJS_PR-111611.pdf

The number of homicides known to involve adult or juvenile gang violence has quadrupled since 1980, increasing from about 220 homicides in 1980 to 960 homicides in 2008. From 1980 to 2008, gang violence increased from one percent to six percent of all homicides.

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Response to Robb (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:51 AM

39. This needs to be repeated...often

Some on this board have suggest that a majority of gun deaths in this country are gang-related. Ignoring the fact that the majority of gun deaths are suicides, clearly blaming the black people (and let's face it, this is a racist dog whistle) isn't going to solve anything.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:09 PM

41. And it feeds into the "criminals are the entire problem" bit.

"Laws don't stop criminals," etc.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:31 PM

46. No

What needs to be repeated often is that it is difficult to measure the impact gang violence has on violence in America, and much more needs to be done in this area to understand the problem and come up with reasonable solutions.

What if gang violence spirals out of control across the country? What if it already has in many urban and suburban areas? Do you think there will be more of a need to feel the urge to "protect yourself and your home" with an arsenal of your own?

If you don't, I'm sure there are many that will. I for one, am undecided on how to best care for myself and my family if such violence were to permeate across the country.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:24 PM

61. Why is gang violence of such a pressing concern to you? Unless of course, you are in a gang

90% of gun deaths have absolutely nothing to do with gangs and yet, you are contorting yourself with this desperate fear/concern of spiraling gang violence.

Why do you think gang violence is more important/pressing than any other sort?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #61)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:29 PM

63. It is on the rise

And fueling gun purchases.

My place was broken into three times in one year; and a man was found outside my apartment with a hole in his head, car still running. So maybe this is a bit more real to me.

Police told me there were 60 break-ins in the last few days across the city. Then my sons friend had their door smashed in and everything taken..

It's hitting the suburbs more. Crime is spiraling out of control because of gang related criminal enterprise.

So yeah. What are people going to do when faced with such crime? Arm themselves, naturally.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #63)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:43 PM

73. Maybe your neighbors hate you and are trying to get you to move by breaking into your home

I am astonished that you seem to leap to the conclusion that your home being broken into automatically = gang violence. It is much more probable that you have drug addicts in your neighborhood than gang-bangers and they are stealing things to keep the (insert drug of choice) flowing.

All crime does not automatically equate to gang violence. As Robb has tried to educate you repeatedly in this thread, gang violence represents a tiny fraction of gun deaths. There are more people who die from guns during incidences of domestic violence than gangs, even with gang violence "on the rise" as you are stating. Which I seriously doubt.

But then, that may dilute your obvious fantasy of "busting a cap" in a banger's ass.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:53 PM

78. Yes, but at least I can read those volumes. Which is far more than I can say for you.

Thanks for playing. You lose. And with this post, you threw your ball petulantly into the stands and stalked off the field.

At least you finally stopped wasting everyone's time, especially your own. You fool no one.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:57 PM

83. Almost clever

Yawn.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #83)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:58 PM

84. Coming from you, that "almost" meant something.

But nothing you've said has been clever. Revealing? Yes. Clever? Not in the slightest.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #84)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:00 PM

86. Almost clever

Yawn.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #86)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:03 PM

89. Repeating unclever, tired posts is not helping you in this thread

Well, actually judging by your other incoherent, dog-whistling posts, maybe they are a bit...

Starting as close to the ground as you were, you didn't have too far down to jump to the bottom.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:54 PM

80. Thank you for alerting on post 73.

It called my attention to posts 75 and 76.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #80)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:57 PM

82. El Chico does't play this game very well, does he?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #85)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:01 PM

87. Please elaborate.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #88)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:05 PM

90. So sayeth the "man" with two hidden posts in one thread

And a bucketful of others so mindless and blatant I'm sure the SPLC will be along any second now to investigate.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #90)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:16 PM

91. Make that three. Uh, I mean FOUR. Poof! Transparency!

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #91)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:52 AM

102. "Our four ... no ... I'll come in again"

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:51 AM

93. No, it's not...

If you don't understand the issue, please do us the favor of shutting the fuck up....

http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Gang-Related-Offenses

As the statistics show, only about a third of municipalities reported an increase in recent gang-related activity. Crime is absolutely and in no way "spiraling out of countrol" so please turn off Faux News and learn the actual facts.

Violent crime is near 40-year lows.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #61)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:30 PM

64. Certainly not because it's a racist dog whistle.

No, sir. Not that one.

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Response to Robb (Reply #64)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:33 PM

66. Funny

You are the one blowing that whistle.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:34 PM

68. And you sound like you're in no condition to safely own a firearm.

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Response to Robb (Reply #68)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:36 PM

70. Ok

You have no credibility in this debate. Take care!

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:36 PM

72. Don't shoot anyone.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:53 AM

94. Complete and utter bullshit...

You're the one making utterly and completely unsubstantiated claims. You're being called on it -- don't try blaming the person who points it out.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #94)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:06 AM

99. I wonder is this is a record. I've never seen so many hidden by one person on one thread

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:38 PM

92. I disagree

It is my understanding according to FBI statistics that the largest demographic for murders is young black males killing young black males, mainly inner city.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-offense-data

In my view this is mainly an artifact of the war on drugs and it's disproportionate affect on inner city communities.

It has driven a wedge between law enforcement and the community, it has encouraged lawlessness, and to be frank with a multi billion dollar industry in just pot alone, and no recourse for those in that black market to resolve disputes using police and courts, violence and murder have become the method of resolution. Just it did in minority communities during alcohol prohibition, which spawned the original assault weapons ban back in 1934 known as the national firearms act. Before that law anyone actually could just buy a machine gun as easily as from the sears catalog.

Simply put race is a side issue. If you create through law a black market worth billions of dollars which millions will participate in, and you leave no other way to resolve disputes legally for those people with so much cash at stake, you should expect nothing less than rampant killing as they settle disputes themselves with violence. It may seem like a racial dog whistle to you, to me it's simply that that community is being more affected by our insane drug war policies.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:41 AM

17. why?

don't they count?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:49 AM

19. Yeah, those inner city kids don't count so much. 3/5thsmaybe?

 

"Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?" Yes it would be wrong.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:39 AM

34. Should we ignore gang violence?

Addressing gang violence may be part of the solution. I'd like to see an executive order addressing that problem. Gangs nearly rule the city of Providence, RI.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:50 AM

38. Yet, as I pointed out, gangs represent a tiny fraction of gun deaths nationwide.

Not to downplay those deaths, but why are you focused on them in particular?

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Response to Robb (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:21 PM

44. I'm focused on them

Because I think addressing gang violence is going to have a lot more impact than making fun of fools at gun shows.

Why are there fools at gun shows buying guns that result in accidental deaths? Many are fearful of criminals, many of whom gain notariety through well publicized incidents of gang violence.

Any statistic regarding measurement of gang violence should be scrutinized if it doesn't first issue a bold disclaimer regarding the difficulty in measuring that statistic.

*Because of the many issues surrounding the maintenance and collection of gang-crime data, caution is urged when interpreting the results presented below. For more information regarding this issue, see: www.nationalgangcenter.gov/About/FAQ#q5.

The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.

The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:29 PM

45. Because you don't believe the DOJ.

Got it.

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Response to Robb (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:34 PM

47. They collect statewide data

Read about the issues. Perhaps you can do more than saying "but it's only 6%!". That is a false statistic without a disclaimer. Ask the DOJ.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:05 PM

49. You want the long form data, right.

Obama's DOJ is cooking the books to understate the number of gangbangers shooting one another!

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Response to Robb (Reply #49)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:07 PM

54. No

Do you know how each state defines and identifies gang related homicide, and what complexities this entails?

If you don't, then I suggest you educate yourself, rather than cling to an unsubstantiated statistic that weakly serves your agenda, working only to convince those also without any education or capacity for free thought that gang / organized crime is not completely out of control in many parts of this country.

Statistics are complicated, my friend.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:10 PM

55. Math is hard!

Won't someone think of the poor guns?

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Response to Robb (Reply #55)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:13 PM

56. So is reading apparently

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010. During the same time period, the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,000 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 12 percent of all homicides annually.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #56)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:20 PM

58. Wow! So as much as 12%!

That certainly explains your overarching concern with that instead of the other 88% of murders!

Here I thought it a distracting dog whistle! I even had you pegged as a racist gun nut!

Imagine my relief. And thanks for setting us all straight!

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Response to Robb (Reply #58)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:28 PM

59. Let's dig a bit deeper, shall we?

The number of gang-related homicides increased approximately 10 percent from 2008 to 2009 and then again from 2009 to 2010 in cities with populations over 100,000.
In a typical year in the so-called “gang capitals” of Chicago and Los Angeles, around half of all homicides are gang-related; these two cities alone accounted for one in five gang homicides recorded in the NYGS from 2006 to 2010.

You seem to think this isn't incredibly alarming?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:29 PM

62. Dude.

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010.

That's about 500 per year.

Would you like to know how many Americans were killed by guns in 2010? 31,672.

So here's your math problem: 500 is what percent of 31,000?

What's alarming is the distance the bubbly-sack-of-cats-insane gun lobby is willing to go in an attempt to confound the issue. And yeah, if you're doing this, I'm talking about you, too.

So, please, continue digging. You're quite good at it.

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Response to Robb (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:32 PM

65. Annually, per year

Duh. That's 2000 per year, increasing at a rate of 10% per year, hitting the cities hard, and stoking fears that ultimately result in more guns.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #65)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:34 PM

67. Duh, indeed. Read it again.

I'll help with the big words:

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010.

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Response to Robb (Reply #67)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:35 PM

69. Yes, 2000 ANNUALLY

English, my friend.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:36 PM

71. Ah, I see it now.

2000 annually, you're right.

Let's try again:

2000 is what percent of 31,000?

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Response to Robb (Reply #71)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:46 PM

74. I'm interested in finding solutions

I happen to think gang/organized crime is a major source of violence and gun violence in America, both directly and indirectly.

It is the indirect affect I am most interested in, and this is probably nearly impossible to measure.

I see first hand a major increase of criminal activity in my own city, and I know it is repeated across the country.

I believe this is fueling gun purchases and non-gang related gun deaths because of negligence.

Reporting gang related homicides is no perfect science; the Feds rely on local data that is often inaccurate. How do you identify "gang related"?

That is my position. If you want to somehow convince me my concern is not appropriate, you are going to have to try again.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #74)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:53 PM

77. Gangs are a major source of violence.

No question.

But they're a drop in the bucket in the big picture of gun violence -- unless every reporting agency in the country is wrong by several orders of magnitude.

Your argument is like saying busses cause traffic jams, because I'm always behind one when I'm stopped on the freeway.

And since I can't believe you believe something that absurd, I don't think it's at all inappropriate to question your sincerity.

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Response to Robb (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:54 PM

79. Soo then....

Who the hell is out and about killing with guns then?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:57 AM

95. It's compiled by the Bureau of Justice Statistics

That's a federal agency, so state-based definitions are not relevant.

You now you can tell when someone is an ignorant dumbass? When they talk about issues they don't understand and then tell others to "educate themselves" on their subject of their own ignorance.

You're posts on this thread have been 100% fact-free and substance free.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

24. I'm pretty sure the 2 and 4 year olds were part of rival gangs. Thanks for your concern. n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:36 AM

33. I asked a question

I made no mention of concern.

Children die as a result of gang violence, even very young children.

Bullets fired do not discriminate.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:47 AM

35. A question that seems to be a constant NRA talking point to minimize the lives of urban victims

 

Maybe your question was innocent but it sure seems to come up a lot by the RBKA extremist crowd when statistics of gun violence are brought up.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:18 PM

57. Maybe because..

The root of the problem is gang and organized crime, fueled by a drugs and guns black market?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #57)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:48 AM

101. No, it's not

You've got quite the learning curve, my friend.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm

In the cities under surveillance, there were 2,933 homicides, with 856 of them being gang related. That would make just under 30% of homicides gang-related. What's more, the MAJORITY of firearm deaths are suicides. So gang-related homicides are likely only about 10% (or less) of all handgun deaths.

The drug war and gang-related violence is a contributing factor, but it's nowhere close to being a root cause.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:48 AM

36. I was snarkily pointing out that I don't think it matters how, who, where,

or why these children were shot. The tragedy was that they were shot.

Your right, you showed no concern, sorry I thanked you for it.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:11 PM

42. This can be a place to whine

Or participate in well reasoned debate. Well reasoned debate, IMHO, is going to have far more impact than just pointing fingers and running the other way.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:05 AM

25. Thing about that is...

Young people in inner city gangs didn't always have such easy access to guns. Anyone who was around in the fifties probably remembers when switchblades were considered fairly bad-assed weapons among the juvenile delinquent crowd. So, I think the fact that inner city gangs now have all the guns they want constitutes part of the gun problem as it exists today.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:19 AM

12. Amwericans just don't see compilations

of a week's worth of gun incidents from the entire country. Very sobering.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:29 AM

15. Truly scary.

This should be on every news cast, every weekend, everywhere in this country. People need to be hit over the head with these stats day after day. Annual gun deaths are about to surpass drunk driving deaths, but I think most Americans still only view this in the abstract. They need to see the reality, the toll in human lives. Not only do I think this sort of report should be on the news every weekend, pictures of the people killed should be included.

Thank you for pushing forward with what must have been some depressing research.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:36 AM

16. Nothing to add. Just a K and an R and a ...



Wake up America. We're killing our kids.


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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:42 AM

18. Thank you for doing this. nt

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:49 AM

20. I think national news shows should do this every Friday.

I remember Walter Cronkite giving the weekly casualty figures from Vietnam every Friday. That, just as much as anything else, helped the scales fall from a lot of eyes. Same can be done here. I think a lot of people would be stunned to know just how many are killed and wounded by gun violence in this country every week.

But I can hear it now: The liberal medial is further politicizing the issue of gun control, and interfering where it has no business.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:56 AM

21. Please keep posting these.

Thank you.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:01 AM

23. Stop the madness!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:10 AM

26. One more

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/19/2482601/boy-14-was-taken-to-uk-hospital.html


A 14-year-old boy was taken to University of Kentucky Chandler Hospital after being shot in the stomach in Laurel County Saturday morning.

The boy was visiting a friend at a home on Ky. 552 eight miles southwest of London when the shooting occurred, according to a news release from the Laurel County sheriff's office.

The sheriff's office said a 15-year-old boy at the home told them he was handling his grandfather's .38-caliber revolver in the kitchen when he tripped and the gun went off, hitting the 14-year-old.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/19/2482601/boy-14-was-taken-to-uk-hospital.html#storylink=cpy

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:12 AM

27. That doesn't even include adults

Imagine what the full list would look like.

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Response to Courtesy Flush (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:19 AM

28. Chicago does its own version of this on weekends.

2 Dead, 15 Wounded In Shootings Since Friday

Weekend gun violence in Chicago left two men dead and at least 13 other people wounded, including a man shot during a party in the Loop’s historic Palmer House Hilton Hotel.

The man, 25, was attending a party on the 22nd floor of the hotel at 17 E. Monroe St. when a male shooter pulled out a gun and opened fire, police News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro said.

He was shot in the right leg, and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in good condition, Alfaro said. No one is in custody early Sunday, and police had no word on what sparked the shooting.

A representative for the hotel could not be reached for comment.

The weekend’s first fatal shooting happened about 9:15 p.m. Friday in the West Side Austin neighborhood. A 21-year-old man was shot several times through a glass window while he was inside a Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits restaurant in the 5500 block of West North Avenue, police said....

Read More: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/19/2-dead-6-wounded-in-shootings-since-friday/

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:22 AM

29. After of all of these shootings...

According to the cartoon on the other page after the 19 incidents; (statistically) that wasn't quite enough mayhem for even one single incident where someone successfully averted a home invader (1 in 22).

I can't help but wonder how many of the surviving family members wished they'd risked being unprotected from home invaders instead of suffering the consequences of having a gun laying around.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:32 AM

30. We need this as a weekly edition followed by another segment

 

which would be mercifully short,featuring news stories or stats about vigilante's saving lives with guns.
I mean fair is fair,they want to take away our police and give any idiot a gun that wants one.
If guns in the hands of untrained and unregulated militias save lives,prove that theory with facts.
Go ahead,make my day!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:35 AM

31. NRA Public Service Message:

Only a good baby with a gun can stop a bad baby with a gun.....



- K&R

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:48 AM

37. Weekly Counts of Dead & Injured Database

This is just one week of only kids/teens.
It's shocking and should be unacceptable, except if you're a reckless gun owner.
If there's so many responsible gun owners, why do so many children get shot?

A daily data base would be a start reminder of the un-Godly amount of American's being killed or maimed
at the hand of a gun.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:57 AM

40. Give politicians hell. Gun freaks do.

Anyone with a little common sense knows that something significant needs to be done about guns. Gun lovers know they are on the wrong side of common sense, wisdom, and safety, so they try to overcome their disadvanage by making lots of noise. The rest of us cannot even imagine that calling for gun regulation and control is a controversial issue. We cannot imagine that it is necessary to contact our politicians about the need for gun control, so the politicians hear mostly from the gun lovers.

The common sense community needs to give politicians hell, repeatedly.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:12 PM

43. No links to any of the incidents

...makes it less credible to those who are not already inclined to believe it.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:06 PM

50. Anyone so far gone to think these are made up won't be helped by links.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:35 AM

98. Here are links to four of the first five stories:

Clevealnd (sic) Police are investigating the death of a 6 year old girl after she was shot in the face
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/clevealnd-police-are-investigating-the-death-of-a-6-year-old-girl-after-she-was-shot-in-the-face

East Anchorage Drive-By Shooting Sends Teenage Girl to Hospital
http://www.ktuu.com/news/crime/east-anchorage-drive-by-shooting-sends-teenage-girl-to-hospital-011913,0,4531781.story

I could not find a link to this story about a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, GA who shot himself while hunting. However, Bainbridge, GA did experience a drive-by shooting this week which resulted in a 23-year-old being hit, so it's not like gun injury was unknown in this town last week:
Drive-by Shooting in Bainbridge, Georgia
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/8536002.html

Richmond man shot by 4-year-old dies
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/richmond-man-shot-by--year-old-dies/article_f83ed5ed-1b79-5b73-9b12-e22e210c13c4.html

Police investigating shooting of 2-year-old boy
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-01-14/police-investigating-shooting-2-year-old-boy

I don't have time to google all the incidents listed, but it's off to a good start for internet reporting accuracy when four of the first five stories listed pop up from reputable, local news sites in a simple google search. Feel free to search for the rest yourself and report back to us. I'd like to see the links myself.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:50 PM

48. k/r rec.

there have been well over 1000 gun deaths across the US since Newtown.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:11 PM

51. If only the six year old girl had a gun to protect herself!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:43 PM

52. thanks for putting this together

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:05 PM

53. This is great. Until Sandy Hook, Gungeoneers had almost daily celebration of bad guys getting shot

And monthly increases in gun sales and toting permits.

Good work.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:07 PM

60. These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for

their ludicrous interpretations of the Second Amendment. Junior had said the Constitution is just a piece of paper and proceeded to trample a goodly portion of Bill of Rights although holding the Second Amendment sacred and sacrosanct. Oh the diabolically twisted and treacherous dichotomy.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:55 PM

81. K & R. Fuck the NRA and their supporters - & THANK YOU for doing this.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:49 AM

97. America Is In Denial - Gun Owners And Gun Enthusiasts Are In Denial

eom

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:20 AM

100. kick

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