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Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:20 AM

 

Sorry teabaggers. This is a Nazi.

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Reply Sorry teabaggers. This is a Nazi. (Original post)
Whovian Jan 2013 OP
cantbeserious Jan 2013 #1
hobbit709 Jan 2013 #2
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #3
siligut Jan 2013 #27
loudsue Jan 2013 #33
A Simple Game Jan 2013 #38
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #68
Bucky Jan 2013 #109
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #37
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #72
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #40
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #73
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #88
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #43
RickFromMN Jan 2013 #49
hopemountain Jan 2013 #66
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #57
siligut Jan 2013 #82
ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #58
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #71
Aristus Jan 2013 #83
Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2013 #98
corneliamcgillicutty Jan 2013 #28
lunatica Jan 2013 #29
corneliamcgillicutty Jan 2013 #30
lonestarnot Jan 2013 #35
bvar22 Jan 2013 #45
kurtzapril4 Jan 2013 #46
RickFromMN Jan 2013 #50
bvar22 Jan 2013 #91
RickFromMN Jan 2013 #107
RickFromMN Jan 2013 #108
lonestarnot Jan 2013 #105
bvar22 Jan 2013 #106
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #77
Marie Marie Jan 2013 #94
Marie Marie Jan 2013 #95
MattSh Jan 2013 #10
mtasselin Jan 2013 #11
Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #14
Blanks Jan 2013 #20
ewagner Jan 2013 #24
malthaussen Jan 2013 #25
SunSeeker Jan 2013 #44
lsewpershad Jan 2013 #21
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #60
Berlum Jan 2013 #4
Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #5
malaise Jan 2013 #6
dotymed Jan 2013 #8
malaise Jan 2013 #9
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #18
B Calm Jan 2013 #7
WranglerRog Jan 2013 #12
littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #13
Squinch Jan 2013 #15
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #19
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #65
Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #102
Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2013 #16
WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #17
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #22
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #34
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #79
krawhitham Jan 2013 #47
The Wizard Jan 2013 #54
Sunlei Jan 2013 #23
LibertyBell7 Jan 2013 #26
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #80
Bucky Jan 2013 #110
blackspade Jan 2013 #31
Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #32
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #36
Major Nikon Jan 2013 #42
byronius Jan 2013 #63
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #74
libodem Jan 2013 #39
erpowers Jan 2013 #41
Deep13 Jan 2013 #53
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #75
Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #56
Rozlee Jan 2013 #84
Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #87
War Horse Jan 2013 #48
treestar Jan 2013 #51
War Horse Jan 2013 #59
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #69
supertascha Jan 2013 #99
treestar Jan 2013 #104
Deep13 Jan 2013 #52
ErikJ Jan 2013 #55
Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #78
byronius Jan 2013 #61
ReRe Jan 2013 #62
bettyellen Jan 2013 #64
Caeser67 Jan 2013 #67
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #70
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #76
Stuart G Jan 2013 #81
jeff47 Jan 2013 #85
pam4water Jan 2013 #86
Cha Jan 2013 #89
Third Doctor Jan 2013 #90
Amonester Jan 2013 #96
Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #92
tiredtoo Jan 2013 #93
Amonester Jan 2013 #97
iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #100
sakabatou Jan 2013 #101
treestar Jan 2013 #103

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:22 AM

1. Sadly Teabaggers Are Not History Buffs

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:31 AM

2. Or even English majors.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:43 AM

3. or human beings

 

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:27 AM

27. What is it that makes Homo sapiens human?

Or are you saying teabaggers are not Homo sapiens?

Not trying to be facetious, but you are new here and dehumanizing people is something liberals try to avoid.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:19 AM

33. Sorry. Calling bullshit on that pious remark.

Or did you forget the sarcasm tag? Liberal humor often called junior "the chimp", for instance. We're not saints here. We're just on the right side of history.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:12 PM

38. You appear to be mistaking many on DU for liberals.

True liberals know that name calling accomplishes nothing other than antagonizing the opposition.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:53 PM

68. Oh, please give me a break. nt.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:35 PM

109. That said, the "or human beings" comment was stupid.

PS, the sarcasm tag is for idiots.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:39 AM

37. Being classified as Homo Sapiens does not automatically mean one has all of the....

....necessary prerequisites that make us human. Just my personal opinion, but I've seen very little public evidence that GOP Tea-Nazis should be included in any discussion involving basic human qualities.

As far as "dehumanizing" the GOP Tea-Nazis is concerned, I personally believe they've done a pretty good job of doing that to themselves...they certainly don't need any help from anyone else.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:56 PM

72. ++!

If they want us to treat them like human beings, maybe they should act like them.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

40. Empathy

n/t

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:56 PM

73. Exactly.

The teabaggers are entirely devoid of empathy, making them psychopaths.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:43 PM

88. Compassion.

Lack of xenophobia.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:31 PM

43. Teabaggers are

victims of recessive genes left over from when humans mated with Neanderthals. Almost all humans have neanderthal genetics, they are now finding.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:43 PM

49. No insulting Neanderthals, or apes, or chimpanzees, or gorillas! Those are rodent genes surfacing.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:46 PM

66. NO! to insulting neanderthals

we are only now discovering and understanding more about the remarkable neanderthal traits of behavior and thinking. we do not need to add to discrimination of humans who have more or less dna with neanderthal genes. seriously...there is are many horrible and unthinkable ramifications to all of humanity if this type of thinking takes hold. please do your part to stop it now and educate yourself. thank you.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:39 PM

57. If you can't handle snark directed against RWers,

you just might be in the wrong place.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #57)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:41 PM

82. It just seems ironic in a thread about Nazis and Hitler

Dehumanization of the Jews set the stage for mass genocide.

I am not in the wrong place.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:40 PM

58. The Tea Party folks are actually made of tea, and they cannot reproduce with human beings. nt

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:55 PM

71. Let's just say I'm ashamed to share DNA with those neanderthals. n/t

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:45 PM

83. "Homo sapiens" means 'wise man'.

Not a term I would apply to the teabaggers. I wouldn't go so far as to call them untermenschen (not a term liberals can use really, however applicable) but I think "Homo idioticus" is appropriate to describe the 'baggers.

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Response to siligut (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:47 AM

98. Homo Sapien is a species. Human is an attitude.

 

Same as calling someone a neanderthal or a troglodyte. They are still the species, just a lesser thinking, feeling version of it.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:38 AM

29. Welcome to DU

Most of us are human.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:39 AM

30. Hi Stultus--it is my opinion that there are some DUers that are more interested in

intellectualizing and parsing other people's posts that this--it seems to me--becomes their main objective. Sometimes I sense a hint of elitism here which ironically goes against the democratic principle of inclusion.

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Response to corneliamcgillicutty (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:26 AM

35. Watering down democratic principles is not tolerated here. Post parcers are one thing, trolls

are another. Democraticunderground is not inclusive to bagger thought. It is rejected. There are degrees of rejection depending upon the topic.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:06 PM

45. On the other hand, some types of open bigotry ARE not only tolerated,

...but applauded.

For example,
start a Bash People-Who-Live-the-South thread and prepare for a 100 recs.

"Watering down democratic principles is not tolerated here." ???
Surely you don't mean the pro-Working Class "democratic principles" of FDR or LBJ.
Try advocating for those policies or values,
and prepare to be attacked and labeled a "Fringe Leftist" who is only helping the Republicans.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:15 PM

46. You are correct! n/t

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:51 PM

50. Sadly you are correct. Please forgive us. There are mitigating circumstances.


I don't know why, but the South seems to be a Republican stronghold.

I look forward to the day the South rejects Republicans and its offshoot, the Tea Party.

What are we to do?

Should we turn the other cheek as Jesus teaches us?
Should we follow the Old Testament and do an eye-for-an-eye?

The Republicans believe in karma, game theory, an eye-for-an-eye.
I read what Republican Representative Peter King of New York says.
His words indicate, to me, the next time Southern Republicans need help,
New York and new Jersey Republicans should foot drag.
Do unto others what they do unto you.
Do unto others what you think they might do unto you.
Do unto others before they do unto you.
I believe this is a Republican viewpoint.

I believe the Democratic viewpoint is to turn the other cheek.
I used to think turning the other cheek was the correct thing to do.
Now I am not so sure. I know it's wrong of me. I don't know what to think.

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Response to RickFromMN (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:42 PM

91. #1 Stop blaming The South,

...and stereotyping The South as some homogenous, monolithic, hellish region
in which only ignorant, racist Tea Baggers live.
That is called stereotyping, and is diagnostic criteria for bigotry.

The Modern South is very much a multicultural blend.
Many states in The South are only a few percentage points from Going Blue in national elections.
The divide in our nation is NOT so much North vs South,
as it is Rural vs Cities.


You ask,
"What are we to do?"

1) Instead of sitting on a High Horse and blaming The South,
clean up your own yard first.
Doesn't Tea Bagger Michele Bachmann represent Minnesota?
You seem to be fond of JudeoChristian Biblical references.
What was that one about first removing the log from your own eye?


2) Stop Broad Brush condemnation and demonization of the Americans who live in The South, and start helping Turn-the-South Blue.
We were able to make some gains under Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy,
but after 2008, the Democratic Party stopped spending money in The South,
and abandoned The South completely to the propaganda produced by the Republican Party.
If you live in The South and watch TV, you wouldn't even know there was such a thing as a Democratic party if it wasn't for the Republican Party flooding the airwaves with "Blame the Democrats" marketing.

The ONLY time we have seen any money spent by the national party
or the appearance of a Big Name Celebrity Democrat since 2008 was during the Arkansas Democratic Primary of 2010 when the White House sent the Old Dog (Bill Clinton) back to Arkansas to rescue the failing campaign of DINO Blanch Lincoln.

You remember her?
She is the one who ran as "the person who stopped the Big Government Take Over of Health Care"
The Arkansas Grass Roots Democrats and Organized LABOR were well on the way of replacing DINO Lincoln with a Pro-Health Care, Pro-LABOR popular candidate (Democratic Lt Governor Bill Halter) in the Democratic Primary 2010
before we were bitch slapped by the White House,
and then ridiculed for our efforts.
That is NOT the way to help Turn the South Blue.
We don't need THAT kind of help.


3)Fight to have the Democratic Party STOP supporting Wall Street Bankers, Health Insurance Corporations, and other Big Corporate sources that funnel Public Money to the pockets of the 1%,
and have them start working to reverse the flow of Money (Public & Private) back into the hands and pockets of the Working Class & The Poor,
who WILL SPEND IT LOCALLY.
A return to the Tax Structure and Trade Policies (International & Interstate) of the 60s with Fair Competition protection for local businesses from Big Boxes (like WalMart) would be a good start.

THEN, activists like ourselves can POINT to that money and say,
"See That? Thank a Democrat."
As long as there remains the perception that BOTH Parties are in bed with The RICH,
it gives us little to work with on the ground here in The South where Dirt Poor POVERTY is a HUGE problem that is ignored by the spokesmen and legislators of both parties.
"Raising" taxes on the very RICH to a historically LOW rate of 39.5% and then shouting VICTORY ain't gonna get this job done.

4)The South is BEAUTIFUL,
and belongs to us ALL.
Come claim your piece,
and help us turn this place Blue.

My Wife and I did just that, RickFromMN.
We are bvar22&StarkravenFromMN.
We are former residents of Big Blue Minneapolis, Minnesota.
In 2006, we sold everything and bought property in a very rural, very RED part of Arkansas.
Though we sometimes miss the Stark, Crystal Beauty of a Minnesota Winter,
we haven't regretted a single day.

Instead of a "Deliverance" hell hole with Black People hanging from the trees,
we have found a beautiful, fertile, pristine area populated by Good, Caring People.
Some of them are ignorant, poor, and mis-informed,
but the solution for that is gentle, non-judgmental leadership and education, not ridicule and banishment.

Our Liberal Democratic vote weighs much more here than it did in Minneapolis.
Every third person back up in these old mountains voted for "the black guy" in 2008.
I find that encouraging, especially considering that the Democratic Party spent almost NOTHING campaigning here.

By doing the math, I discovered that we only have to influence less than 78 people or so to change their vote to "Democrat" to flip our entire rural district!
MORE Open Minded Liberal Northerners are moving into this area every day looking for the same things we found here:
a pristine, non-toxic, unspoiled area with abundant clean water and fertile earth on which to live as sustainably,
as GREEN, as energy efficient, and as independently as possible.
Most of those people tend to vote Liberal,
and we are here to welcome them.

Texas WILL flip in the next 15 years due purely to demographics.
The "Lost for a Generation" prediction of LBJ was accurate.
That generation IS now dying off, and they are angry that they have lost control of their children to the more open minded influences of the Internet and SAT TV,
and Liberals like my Wife and myself.
The South is ripe for the picking,
but someone must be here to take in the harvest.



---bvar22 & Starkraven
Helping turn The South Blue
Drop in for Green Beans & Corn Bread if you're ever in the area.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #91)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:17 PM

107. I stand chastened and rebuked.


I did not realize I was on a high horse. I thought I was stating the obvious.

I thought I also said,
"I look forward to the day the South rejects Republicans and its offshoot, the Tea Party."

I did not realize I had any kind words for Michele Bachmann. I missed those remarks.

I do what I can with what little I have, with what small amount of courage I can muster.
I admit I do not have much of either.

Do I have a defense for quoting from religion? No. But I will say the following.

I am hit over the head with religion, especially ministers giving sermons around election time and religious zealots who I can't avoid no matter how hard I try.

I get this religious problem when my sister comes home from her church, when I attend a church service with my mother at the nursing home where she lives, when my nephew is friends with people I classify as religious zealots.

It is a bad habit to refer to the cruelty of Republicans from a New Testament point of view, rarely works, but is the only rejoinder I know, when dealing with certain ministers, who by now have realized I will never attend one of their sermons ever again or certain religious zealots I no longer wish anything to do with and who feel the same about me.

I am glad you don't have these problems.

I have family reasons for being in Moorhead, Minnesota.
If I am forced to leave Minnesota, it will be to seek work.
Unlike you I have no desire to live in the South.

Thank you for providing a list of things we can do and giving us hope.

I wish you had couched your answer in a kinder manner.
At first I was turned off by your response and considered responding in kind.
I see the pointlessness and immaturity of responding in kind on my part.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #91)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:32 PM

108. You are correct in another part of your response, it is rural vs cities.


I live in Moorhead, next to Fargo. Together, this area has a more liberal feel for which I am thankful.

Northern Minnesota has a certain Democrat I will not name, one of the founders of the Blue Dogs.
I don't see him being replaced any time soon by someone more liberal.
There is a risk, if he is replaced, it will be by someone I would like even less.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:36 AM

105. I am a tireless advocate for working folks and democratic principles and leftist fringe labels do

not bother me. I also have a very hard shell, so name bullshit doesn't bother me.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #105)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:19 AM

106. I am familiar with your posting history,

...and I know that you are a tireless advocate for the Working Class.
I wasn't questioning THAT.
I was questioning the claim that "Watering down democratic principles is not tolerated here".

To me, it appears that "watering down" the democratic principles of FDR/LBJ
is a major goal of the New Democrat Centrist Party, ever since the DLC opened the flood gates to Large, Single Source donations back in the late 80s.
THAT is not only tolerated here, but applauded by many.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:08 PM

77. The word "humane" is what you are looking for. They are physically human.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:27 PM

94. And we sure as Hell know that spelling isn't their strong suit either.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:27 AM

10. But they are buffoons...

Surely that must count for something?

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:10 AM

11. sad

Are they not only history buffs, I am afraid they can not read and when they do they pretty much can't understand what they read

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:35 AM

14. Indeed, for many on the right, ignorance of history is almost a requirement

It is especially true among the libertarians. So we get conservatives who insist that Hitler and Mussolini were leftists. They say things like "It's the National Socialist German Workers Party", to which the response is "So then you must believe that the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:01 AM

20. It's not ignorance of history...

It's actually that they are being taught an alternative history.

You've got all these right-wing sites and Fox News and hate radio 'informing' them about historic events. So they think they know history. If they were just ignorant; they could be straightened out.

As it is they think that they're informed.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:18 AM

24. That's a good assessment...

I am constantly approached by tea-baggers who say something like.."How can you support Democrats/Obama/some other issue when the TRUTH is _____________" They will then spout off some crap they got from Alex Jones, Glenn Beck or Limbaugh...

The most infuriating one was that the Progressive Movement in Wisconsin was: 1. Fascist and 2. Practiced and promoted Eugenics.

they do indeed have an alternate understanding of history.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:21 AM

25. That's a good point.

I have often wondered why otherwise-intelligent people can come out with the crap they do, and not all Tea Baggers or Ultra conservatives are dimwits. The fact is that not only do they live in a different world from you or I, that world has its own mythos and history as well. Which is a damned good argument against private schools, come to think of it.

-- Mal

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:40 PM

44. Perfect point about the PDRK. I'll have to remember that zinger.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:05 AM

21. Without brains.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:55 PM

60. They'll BE history before long.

America is tired of their stupid crap.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:44 AM

4. There you have it

Just as intelligent folks have know all along.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:00 AM

5. I need to save that for later

never mind the fact that the militarism of the society and the huge sense of patriotism that Hitler managed to build would make a republican envious

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:00 AM

6. That could be Paul Ryan

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:17 AM

8. That could be most of our

politicians (executive, congressional and SCOTUS) since raygun set us on this corporate (fascist) path and our presidents keep leading us down the same path...both parties.

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Response to dotymed (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:24 AM

9. Valid point - the Chicago School neo-liberalism

is everywhere

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Response to dotymed (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:55 AM

18. +1

and therefore No DU rec for this thread. the similarity is striking. the irony is thick. Also, it is not a direct quote.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:12 AM

7. Who knew Hitler would make

a good republican governor.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:24 AM

12. Actually I think this poster should be sent

to every Republican office holder in the country. Let them know who they're emulating.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:25 AM

13. Has this quote been verified...? eom

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:41 AM

15. With a little research, I couldn't verify the quote exactly, but it seems be accurate on Hitler's

known opinions and actions:

"Hitler suppressed trade unions (along with Communists and Social Democrats) in early 1933. It was a key part of their rise to power. They raided and destroyed offices, liberated printing presses and other hardware and beat or imprisoned members and especially leaders. The SS and their brownshirt stooges rampaged through every trade union office of the Social Democrats, took control of their newspapers and other publications, and seized almost all of their financial assets."

That comes from this page: http://shoqvalue.com/did-hitler-ever-say-we-most-close-union-offices-confiscate-their-money-and-does-it-matter/comment-page-1

And it is a quote from an expert on the subject Richard J Evans who wrote The Coming of the THird Reich.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:56 AM

19. thanks for the research and the info with link. well done.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:26 PM

65. people tend to forget that hitler didnt

create the nazi party...
and was actually very upset with the term socialist being used in the title..
but soon realised that in a country that was having a massive marxist movement, seizing on workers rights ideas might be a good idea to solidify germany behind the party. then he proceeded to blame the jews (and communists, who to him were one and the same) for all their past economic woes
he was very pro private ownership.
if you try, you can find tons of quotes from him making remarks about private ownership

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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #65)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:23 AM

102. Hitler, though, did personally choose the name "National Socialist"




The Party he infiltrated and took over and made into the NSDAP was called Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - both very workerish/marxist name, consciously chosen to appeal to traditional leftist voters. The DAP and NSDAP were always völkisch and reactionarily conservative with a collectivist touch in some respects, though always staunchly pro-business and mostly pro capital. Although, there was a time, prior to the great crisis, were the faith of the NSDAP was not yet decided, were you have collectivist-socialist streams that were truly revolutionary and anti-capital, most of that died down though as soon as they got rid of Röhm and (more importantly) Strasser.

The reasons you give for choosing that name are still valid. Just some more detail.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:55 AM

17. i really find it disturbing when people use supposed hitler quotes as talking points

can we just leave him in the last century, please.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:14 AM

22. It is a childish game.

You're Hilter!

No, you are!


damned silly

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:19 AM

34. What's worse is the superficiality. Anything so easily lifted demands examination.

After 15 minutes of poking around on the web

10.The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:

11.Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

12.In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13.We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14.We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15.We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16.We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17.We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

18.We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

19.We demand substitution of a in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

20.The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21.The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

22.We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

23.We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24.We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the . The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.

25.For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

linkaroni


How many posts on DU could be lifted from context without regard to the author's intent and found to be in accord with the above manifesto? And when confronted they'll complain it is an unfair comparison.

I don't mind when people play games; I just find it telling when they refuse to play by their own rules.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:45 PM

79. my only problem with that is

that was 1920s nazi party, not 1930s (when they actually got power and had the authority to do things).

its no mystery that the party ran on a socialist platform, as the party was created before hitler was the leader (he never liked the word socialist being used in their party name) and was born from the german workers party...
but ,
given that the nazi parties main opposition in the country were the marxists, and they represented a good chunk of the country, he understood that he would have to win over some of the opposition to the party if it were ever to be the only party of germany

also note, nothing in there about making a totalitarian regime with a permanent dictator
which he did, as soon as he got power.

people can say whatever they want, but once theyve put themselves into actions.. well.. they speak way louder.

on edit :

just noticed he even wrote these right BEFORE they changed their name to the nazis

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

47. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:22 PM

54. The fuerher was a terrific dancer

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:16 AM

23. Should have hung all the koch$ in the nuremberg trials.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:23 AM

26. In Mien Kampf Hitler talks-up trade unions...

...however, on May 2, 1933, he directed his brown-shirts to conduct the actions attributed to the quote. There appears to be no record of his making a public or private statement that could be quoted about those actions.

In short, Hitler made with populist statements but acted exactly opposite in manner to those statements (very much as the Corporazi governors like Walker or Kasich did following their 2010 elections).

I admit I'm mainly relying on the research of others in this (e.g., http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/05/953017/-Is-the-Walker-Hitler-comparison-justified ), though googling through Mien Kampf appears to support his public pro-unions statements as a populist ploy.

I personally believe there are many points of comparison between the Hitlerian movement and the current crop of baggers (the reason I refer to Rethugs and Blue Dog DINOs as "Corporazis"), and, because of that, I believe it's doubly important to be doubly-cautious in alleging quotes that may be debunked.

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Response to LibertyBell7 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:53 PM

80. Do you think his party

would have come into power if he had written his true intentions?

you know, the whole.. im going to make germany a totalitarian regime and make myself dictator for life?

actions speak way louder than words,
and the actions in that document on may 2 prove that.

the nazis said a lot of 'great' things, before they took power... when they were trying to win over marxists and solidify a one party germany

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Response to LibertyBell7 (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:43 PM

110. Thanks for the legwork

I still think name-calling is juvenile and counterproductive. I mean, really, could you ever use the word "corporazis" in a real world conversation? Or Rethug? There's a dozen good reasons not to call Republicans Nazis. A longstanding DUer mentioned this in a post once, how he just quit using the comparison after spending a year living in China. As militaristic and destructive and antihumanitarian Republicans can get, there's just no comparison between them and actual totalitarians.

I don't mind hyperbole, of course, but if one is going to use literary devices, I think there's an equal literary obligation to dodge the unoriginal ones.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:53 AM

31. +1000

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:55 AM

32. The parallels are chilling.



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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:32 AM

36. No evidence Hitler said this

 

at least that I can find.

Anyone have a reliable source?

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:20 PM

42. I'm not sure if he said it or not, but that's pretty much what he did

The date on the alleged quote is significant. Hitler created May Day on May 1st, 1933 in order to appease the trade unions. On May 2nd the brown shirts marched into their offices, confiscated their assets, closed their offices, and sent their leaders to concentration camps. Hitler replaced the trade unions with his own unions that were under his control.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:14 PM

63. Toland's book, I believe, paraphrases this statement as being spoken in private to close supporters.

Whether he said it exactly like this or not, it's what he meant, and did, at all decision points.

The German economy would have collapsed with any scintilla of worker freedom by 1938.

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Response to byronius (Reply #63)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:01 PM

74. So it was his 47% moment?

Too bad nobody caught him on film...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:55 PM

39. And there are neonazis, too

Hope someone is keeping an eye on them.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:20 PM

41. Pointed Out More

If this is true it should be pointed out more. People should know that Adolf Hitler was anti-worker.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:03 PM

53. He was. Big time.

He saw unions are communistic, which the National Socialists hated. Can't vouch for the specific quote, though.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:05 PM

75. Definitely true.

The Nazi party, before Hitler joined had all of 12 members, and combined right-wing nationalism and nativism with some social working-class populism (hence the Socialism in National Socialism.)

Once Hitler joined and pushed himself to the top, the Socialism part became little more than a marketing tool to draw in working-class members, and once Hitler got in power in 1933, the Socialism part was essentially in name only. It died completely in the Night of the Long Knives when Hitler purged Ernst Rohm and the other more socialist members of National Socialism.

And yes, the Nazis under Hitler violently suppressed Communists, Social Democrats and the unions.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:32 PM

56. Martin Niemöller pointed it out often

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #56)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:19 PM

84. In most translations, the first line reads:

"First, they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist.

The rest of it segues out as you've written it.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #84)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:42 PM

87. In the United States, Niemöller used 'Socialists' in English

Many versions of the quotation exist; he tailored his speeches to fit the situation over the years.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:37 PM

48. German Labor Front/Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF

The Nazi trade union set up to replace the existing unions.

So yes, Hitler dismantled unions - and replaced them with his own.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:55 PM

51. Is there a link and confirmation for that quote?

I would love to use it - I have righties who both insist the Socialism reference means the Nazis were socialists and hate unions too.

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Response to treestar (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:50 PM

59. I don't think you'll find a link w/that exact quote

It's pretty much a summary (albeit a rather accurate one)...

I don't think that the sane side will ever win a "meme" war on this. The RWNJs have finally discovered what NSDAP (formerly DAP) stands for, and in their minds it's somehow socialist. We have to win this with facts, somehow.

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Response to treestar (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:13 PM

69. No quote like that has ever been directly attributed to Hitler.....BUT....

...here's a very well researched posting on Hitler and Unions:

http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com/2011/03/hitler-and-unions.html

QUOTE:

"Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:50 p.m. EST

Dear Mr. Kennedy:

I cannot speak to the authenticity of the quotation of May 2 attributed to Hitler in the very many Web postings at which it is found, and without devoting far more research time than it warrants, I cannot proceed any farther on that.

But it is indisputable that the Nazis did close union offices, did confiscate union money, did put their leaders in prison. The Nazis did take away the right to strike.

I attach for your use a translation of a Circular of April 21, 1933 by Robert Ley, the Nazi labor leader, setting out plans to dissolve the German trade unions (three branches: the largest, the free trade unions affiliated with the Social Democratic Party of Germany ; the next largest the Catholic trade unions, affiliated with the Catholic Center Party; and the "liberal" Hirsch-Duncker Unions, much smaller and affiliated with the tiny liberal parties that received only 2 percent of the German vote by 1932) on May 2, 1933.

This translation comes from a major project to support the teaching of German history, "German History in Documents and Images," mounted by the German Historical Institute in Washington, DC (where I was a Research Fellow from 1989-91]). The URL for the project here, (http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/). The chapter on 1933-45 is edited by Prof. Richard Breitman of the American University in Washington, a distinguished scholar of the National Socialist era, a fellow at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, biographer of Himmler, and Editor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies. That should establish the authority of this translation in the view of all reasonable people.

There is simply no dispute among historians of German history about the fact that Hitler and the Nazis were opposed to the existing trade unions in Germany before they came to power and that they sought to "coordinate" (really, subordinate) them to Nazi party organizations in the first months after obtaining power on January 30, 1933. This was effectuated on May 2, 1933. Regardless of whether that quotation is accurate or genuine, the undeniable reality of Nazi hostility to organized labor (among many other target groups) is established.

Best,

Ken Ledford"

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #69)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:55 AM

99. Picture of Nazi SA entering a trade union building on 5/2/1933

I can't vouch for this source but here is what someone posted on Snopes:

On the 1st of May 1933, the NSDAP organized a National Workers Day with demonstrations all over Germany. The trade unions asked their members to take part, and many did.

On 2nd of May, Hitler outlawed the trade unions. SA seized all buildings, including printing presses, newspapers and all assets. Trade union leadres were taken into prisons and concentration camps. All assets of the trade unions were assigned to the German Labour Front, a sub-organisation of the NSDAP (Wikipedia - I don't know where the author got the part about "corruption in the existing unions" from).

Here's a picture of SA entering a trade union building in Berlin on 5/2/1933:


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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #69)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:08 AM

104. Thanks a million

!!

You rock.

These particular righties are very stubborn about the Nazis being leftists and this will cause head explosion!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:02 PM

52. What freedoms did Hitler not attack?

Oh yeah, civilian gun ownership. That's a big myth.

Also, on edit, nice post, Hitler!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:29 PM

55. NAZI Germany vs GOP/T-Party

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #55)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:27 PM

78. Pretty good. Not sure what "Supports Violence Even with Firearms" means. Also, the RW claims Hiler

and the Nazis were Lefties. Not true, but they claim it.

Could add a few more:
Anti-Intellectual
Nationalistic
Flag obsessed (part of their nationalism, but woth noting.)
Anti-communist

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:09 PM

61. Ha! I'm midway through Toland's biography. Every page reads like the Teabilly handbook.

Starting with paranoid insecurity and the World Of Fake Facts.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:12 PM

62. Ha! (as Tweety says it)

K&R

Teabaggers = OldBagsWithTea

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:25 PM

64. explain this to the gun lovers here too. FFS they compare regulating guns to being Nazis.

fucking idiotic.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:49 PM

67. I'll take Things Scott Walker Would Say

For $500 Alex.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:52 PM

70. If you want to show the teabaggers what Nazis look like, hand them a mirror. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:07 PM

76. While we're at it, don't let anyone forget that Hitler actually LOOSENED Germany's gun laws.

Don't let the gun-fuckers get away with their usual Godwin of the gun-regulation debate.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:05 PM

81. Yep.....nt

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:24 PM

85. He also LOOSENED gun laws

Post WW-I, there were extreme gun laws imposed on Germany. The Nazis reversed most of these laws for everyone except the Jews.

That's right. The Nazis let more people buy guns.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:29 PM

86. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist...



First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:44 PM

89. Wasn't he a fucking

demon.

Teabaggers throw around "nazi" like they know wtf they're talking about. That hasn't happened Yet.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:45 PM

90. Damn

everything that the recent GOP wants fits right in with Facism and the Nazis. At they same time they are so clueless they call us fascists.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #90)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:10 AM

96. It's unconscious. Doctor Freud found it and called it...

Psychological Projection because it's so obvious!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:12 PM

92. That guy with the mustache sounds like a Republican!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:17 PM

93. A while back there was

some sort of rule on the internet that stated. When you bring up Hitler that means you have lost the argument. trying to figure out how that rule fits here.

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #93)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:15 AM

97. It's About Republicans Using Psychological Projection Unconsciously. - eom

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #93)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:23 AM

100. that may be true in some instances..

but it doesnt change the fact that the nazis were, and still are, considered an extreme right wing group.

edit to add that most white supremacy groups who loosely associate themselves with nazis in the united states would agree whole heartedly

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #93)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:44 AM

101. It's called Godwin's Law

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #93)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:53 AM

103. It's over done

when it means you can't bring the nazis in or compare them to anything at all. They did exist and they did stand for some very evil things. We don't have to ignore their existence, either.

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