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Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:17 PM

Honestly, is there hope for the human race? What say you DU?

I'm finding all the killers, gun maniacs, hate mongers, climate deniers, banksters, corporatists, factory farming, amazon forest destroying, animal killing, raping, abusing etc., etc., etc. in the world so overwhelming that as much as I try I can't see a way to fix it and it makes me so sad and left with feelings of despair for my fellow humans. I sometimes think that we are turning the corner, becoming more enlightened, more compassionate. I do see much of that happening but then I read the news and I just shake my head.
Uggggggggg!

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Reply Honestly, is there hope for the human race? What say you DU? (Original post)
rainy Jan 2013 OP
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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:32 PM

1. We're looking pretty good.

We have expanded our habitat to nearly every ecological niche on the planet, so we should be very difficult to completely eradicate.

Now our civilization, well, that's fucked and unsustainable, and probably won't survive the century.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:33 PM

2. Maybe you should be more selective of and limit

your exposure to the news. They are part of the divide and conquer scheme, that's why there are only five corporate media sources.

I went through that recently and decided to work on being a source of positive energy and try to encourage others to do the same. That is what is going to bring about change, not anger or violent reaction to the BS that bombards us on an hourly basis. there's a lot of good out there, we are just kept from being told about it because it doesn't fit the pogrom.

Give it a try, it takes some self discipline but it gets easier the more you practice it. Find some starting point and tell yourself that you choose to have a positive perspective about it, no matter what it is. My New Year's resolution is to be positive on the two blogs I participate in, this being one of them, and promote positivity at every opportunity when I have chosen to say something. It will make a difference for you and everyone you communicate with and encounter.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:46 PM

7. Your advise is very suited for this time. I just

started reading "The Untethered Soul" and it's message is similar to what you are saying. I've been interested in mindfulness training for some time now.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:05 AM

63. "Doesn't fit the pogrom"

What you did there, I see it.



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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:35 PM

3. There are some bad things we do, no doubt

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:48 PM

8. Ha ha u are old, I should know:)

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:11 AM

17. In the year 1 Million and a Half

Humankind is enslaved by giraffes. Mankind must pay for his misdeeds, when the treetops are stripped of their leaves.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:36 PM

4. I was actually pondering that this morning while running errands - what I just don't get...

What is the most precious thing, supposedly? Life. We are born, and then life becomes - what? - preservation of life, avoiding harm, going to doctors, staying healthy. We have this big industrial machine to do what? Defend us, keep us living. (Of course, so do other countries).

And what quickly happens? Conflict, fights, we abuse our bodies with bad food and drugs and overdrinking and smoking - we drive fast, we protect our guns....damn, look at all of the killing done in the name of religion and any particular group's deity.

What I was really thinking this morning, more than is there any hope, was that if you take a broad view, "it" often makes no sense at all. Humans are just such flawed creatures.

So what do we do? What we can - make a life, find a loved one, care for our children, learn, develop - we do whatever we can to give our lives some meaning and make sense out of it all. As I get older, I am tending to go more "micro" than macro - avoiding things that piss me off, doing more of the things I love.

Odd thing to think about on #57 birthday eve...but your post was in synchronicity with my thoughts today.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:50 PM

9. Thanks for the insightful reply

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:56 PM

14. The meaning of life is simple. DNA promotion. Thats it.

 

Anything else is superfluous.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:37 PM

5. Yes. n/t

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:13 AM

19. +1 n/t

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:41 PM

6. I believe there is hope.

The good people always outweigh the bad. It might not be an easy ride, but we can all make a difference in our world, whatever big or small we may consider it or ourselves.
I have days like that too, when I feel all hope is lost. But I realize is just a feeling. Remember the smile of a homeless man when you give him a few dollars? That few dollars will get him through the day, wether is for food or a beer. Remember last time you fed a stray kitten? How fast she was eating, and looking up at you? Remember how you left with tears in your eyes?
There are billions of good people on this planet. People with a heart. The ones who don't feel for their fellow humans are in extreme minority.

Don't ever lose hope.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:51 PM

10. So true, thanks

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 10:52 PM

11. After we're forced to return to being hunter-gatherers, a few of us may survive.

 

Then, maybe 100,000 years from now we'll take another shot at this thing called "civilization". Maybe we'll get it right next time.

We had one bottleneck event 200,000 years ago, and we're facing another. It's probably a toss-up whether the species will survive. There are those that would argue we are too wide spread to be exterminated, but what if 80% of the earth's surface becomes uninhabitable. There was a time in the distant past when only the regions north of the arctic circle could support ANY life. That could happen again.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:09 PM

12. I did security at a parking lot last week

It does double-duty as the lot for a community league and a couple of ethnic stores. There are about 50 spaces in total. Big signs were posted that the lot was closed and barricades were up. They had closed the entire street for a fair and were using the lot for parking for performers, technicians and the handicapped. We were also letting people in and out to the stores. Because of the increased traffic, the city had put big signs up prohibiting parking on the street approaching the lot.

What part of...


  1. The lot is full.
  2. You cannot get through, the street is closed, get over it.
  3. If I tell you to park in *that* spot, do not park in a completely different spot blocking three cars from getting out.
  4. If I tell you to park in front of the blue van, do not park in the far side of the lot, opposite to where you want to go, blocking the dumpster.
  5. If I tell you to park in the little spot in front of the dumpster that doesn't block the truck trying to get it out, do not park beside the dumpster blocking all incoming and outgoing traffic.
  6. Do not run over my foot.
  7. Do not attempt to run me over and kill me.
  8. If I tell you to leave the lot exiting straight, do not turn left down the alley. There's a truck stopped there. Do not bother honking at the truck for 10 minutes. It ain't moving. It's supposed to be there. You're not.
  9. If I tell you to stop going into the alley so the truck can get out, don't go down the alley. Everybody else is going to follow you and you're all going to get jammed in there.


... don't people understand.

I grieve for humanity.

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Response to TrogL (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

21. The very fact that your biggest problem is thoughtless people parking inconsiderately

is a very encouraging sign for humanity in general.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:21 AM

52. that is what you got from that post?

lack of civility is the first part of the breakdown of society and I see it more and more

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:47 PM

13. Honestly? Not really.

I truly believe that the human race is devolving. We're sliding backward at an alarming rate. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:05 AM

15. Certainly. The squeaky wheels are getting a lot of grease but most of us are pretty cool.

There's a WHOLE lot going on out there that never gets any attention. A lot of it is really remarkable.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:05 AM

16. Truthfully?

The problems keep getting larger and more devastating and we keep becoming more and more unwilling to to do a damn thing about them. We've killed our Mother Earth and the human race will receive the just penalty for that. Think of it as Karma, on a planetary scale.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:13 AM

18. I think so, but I get my facts from things other than American evening news. (nt)

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:21 AM

20. Historical perspective helps.

We no longer enslave black people, or ban them from the lunch counter. We do, however, elect them President.

In Europe yes, we worry about the Greek budget deficit and whether the Euro will collapse. But we don't have to worry about an insane megalomaniac invading every country he can and sending millions of people to extermination camps. And we don't have to worry about our sons being drafted to go over there to stop him.

Russia may not be the most wonderful country but at least our kids are not doing duck and cover drills on a regular basis.

Things aren't perfect. But we are moving in the right direction.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:26 AM

22. Im sorry, i dont mean to take this thread in the wrong direction

But I can't help but notice that you're only seeing the world and human race from the perspective of our country.
We should care about the whole world, not just our report with it. We are not special. We should treat all world citizens with respect and compassion..

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

24. I did mention Adolf Hitler.

I think most Europeans would acknowledge that things today are not as bad as they have been in the past.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:33 AM

28. I guess i missunderstood, sorry.

Sometimes people forget there is a vast world beyond our borders.

We have it pretty easy here in the US. We are blessed we live here. The rest of the world doesn't have it so easy.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:27 AM

23. No, we're fucked. Two words: climate change.

That's the only issue that really matters. Anything else pales in significance. And efforts? Not enough.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:29 AM

25. Change starts with you.

Admitting defeat will never get us anywhere.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:31 AM

26. Nope

we're fucked. Because of Americans driving every-fucking-where, and because of China, and India. I already don't drive and walk or use public transit (because I live in a country where that's possible, unlike the USA).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:35 AM

29. No, we're not "fucked". Sorry but no.

We can stop the global warming. It is doable. But not if we proclaim defeat.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:37 AM

30. Doubtful

are you going to stop driving? Using electricity? No? Multiply that by three hundred million equally selfish and shortsighted Americans. And throw in several hundred million in the expanding Chinese middle class and elsewhere. Carbon neutrality isn't happening anytime soon.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:41 AM

33. Selfish and shortsighted?

We don't have the means of public transportation that exists in Europe and elsewhere. Also, United States is a lot larger than any European country or Israel. I grew up in Europe and I know how realiable public transportation is out there.

We could improve the infrastructure here. And China and India... Well if we start giving the jobs back to the American people, much of that out of control polution and poisoning will go away.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:45 AM

34. Yes, selfish and shortsighted.

Cities are built for cars, not people. And most people given the option will drive rather than walk. And don't much care about whatever impact their lifestyle choices may or may not be having on the environment. (See the number of people who'll choose a 35 mile commute and a house in the suburbs with more room than they really need over an apartment closer to where they work.)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:49 AM

35. Europeans would chose the same , if given the oportunity

The price of gasoline keeps them in check in that aspect though.
I am not disagreeing with you, what you're saying its true, but its all reversable. The key is not to give up. If we do, we deserve our own doom.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

39. Partly incorrect

Europe also has planning and development policies that protect "greenbelt" and arable land (unlike most of the USA).

And we probably deserve our own doom anyway. But have you been paying attention? Did you notice the weather, this past year? Or, right now? Unseasonably warm in most of North America (and record low temperatures on forfucksake SAN DIEGO where it's been below freezing, which is unheard of), record highs and wildfires in Australia, blizzards in the UK, extreme and noticeable changes in weather patterns and climate are observable pretty much everywhere. Somehow the words "too little, too late" come to mind (sure, we can mitigate some of the effects, but we've probably reached a tipping point, and I don't really see a major lifestyle change happening for most people).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:08 AM

41. Of course ive noticed the weather anomalities.

But what is your answer? Accept defeat and do nothing about it? This world and its inahabitants are too beautiful to just say that its over. Animals and plants have not done anything wrong. We, the humanity have fuct things up, and its our duty to at least try to stop it from going even more downhill than it already has.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:48 AM

46. Nah, the world will go on without us, one way or another

humans are just another of the many species that's flourished on the planet in its billions of years. Human society and what we call "civilisation"? Probably doomed. The planet? that'll go on.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:50 AM

47. Well then..

I guess the global warming is like the fever one develops when infected with a bacteria or virus..

......

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:22 AM

54. Have to agree with you there.

I have always chosen to live in the city - people always say how can I pay the rent, but then I don't have the commuting costs that they do, which probably equals things out - I walk, take the T or a taxi sometimes.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:34 AM

49. Are we going to start soon?

 

Tick tock. Tick tock

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #49)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:35 AM

50. I know... :(

Well, we better. Otherwise it will be too late

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:44 AM

51. It basically is too late

 

Aside from some geo-engineering feat that likely poison our planet, we have enough carbon in the atmosphere to cook our goose for the next hundred years (and we cannot put that 100-200ppm back in the bottle within our lifetimes). To make matters worse, we are spewing ever more as the breakdown begins and the positive feedbacks kick in. We are in for the long death throes of industrial civilization, which apparently is clueless to its own demise based on how its churning out emissions.

If you want to not go in the first wave, get to somewhere where the crops aren't going to start completely dying off from heat and drought in the next few decades. Get your head right and stop slaving to keep the behemoth economy chugging forward, until it collapses on you. But whatever you do, love every minute. Were going to be running short of those. A lot of us anyway.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:43 AM

58. This is a point I've been making for some time.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:31 PM

73. selecting paper instead of plastic won't cut it

 

bringing your own shopping bag won't cut.

recycling - try again.

taking the bus - nope.

we need the earth, she doesn't need us.

in terms of geological time - the earth will be fine.

we humans, not so much.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:38 AM

31. Bwahahahaha!

Country music will finally come to an end!

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:57 AM

38. Country music...

Ahh.. the horror..
*sighs*

So would rock / metal, if all would come to an end. ; )

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:16 AM

42. Collateral damage.

Besides, we would finally win the War Against Christmas.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:32 AM

44. Youve let the Abyss drown you way too much. ; )

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:40 AM

45. Country music came to an end a long time ago.

I never appreciated it when it was alive. I do now, but it's too late!
(sniff)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:27 AM

43. It pains me to see how..

... much resistance to the awful truth there is, even here on DU. If someone would please lay out their magic plan of how we can go about reversing (because just slowing isn't going to cut it) the damage we've done and continue to do to this planet, I'm all ears.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:37 PM

77. when the supply chain breaks down

 

when there is massive civil insurrection

when the gun nuts shoot you for your food, water, and fuel

when the police, first responders, and military panic . . .

when thunderstorms become miniature land hurricanes (oh, they already are?)

that's when people will wake up.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:58 AM

59. TBH.....

Nobody doubts that climate change has the potential to get pretty bad, that much is true.

However, though, being the rational person that I am, I've also been able(unlike some people!) to put things in perspective: If you're old enough to remember the Cold War, you'll know that, at one point we had about 40,000 nuclear weapons at our disposal, about a fifth of them strategic. Had we gone into it with the Soviets at any point after the Cuban Missile Crisis, particularly in the '70s or '80s and with our full strategic arsenal.....the more immediate short-term impacts (50-100 years or so) on civilization, would almost certainly dwarf those of ANY plausible climate change scenario....yes, even the worst cases. Hell, even Apophis blowing up central China or a pandemic wouldn't be enough to destroy civilization as we know it entirely! A thermonuclear war, on the other hand, might just have done the trick; we can continue researching ways to mitigate climate change(sadly, reducing emissions may not be enough to keep us below 2*C pretty soon.)over the years, as well as adapting, by changing personal habits and such(which is happening, albeit not quite as quickly as most of us would like, I'd imagine). But you can't adapt to radiation and the blotting of the sun by nuclear winter(and then nuclear summer which may follow afterwards). And once the missiles had flown, there'd be no turning back; the Apocalypse would then by truly inevitable. We should be very thankful that we face no such conundrum with climate change, and that we have an opprotunity to effect positive change.



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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:01 AM

60. Except this isn't about trying to get rid of nuclear weapons

this is about greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere that we can't do anything about; we could shut off industrial civilisation completely, today, and the process would still go inexorably forward regardless. And really it's kind of rich to talk about "changing personal habits" in a country where most of the debate about energy and the environment is around "clean coal" and fracking.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:33 AM

27. I hope so. n/t

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:39 AM

32. Yes! We are transforming right now

look around- you will see it. We are in a metamorphosis right now for the better- the way better.

I used to be terribly pessimistic (decades), but recently have felt such a fundamental shift.

I am actually excited.

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:33 PM

69. I'm with you, Tumbulu, and for rainy...

I have tremendous hope.

I've always had great faith in Humanity, in spite of the horrors we see all around, but I do have more hope than ever.









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Response to OneGrassRoot (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:27 PM

71. Oh I want a "like" button!

unlike you I used to have NO FAITH in humanity. In fact I was certain it was doomed and taking all life along with it on our planet. I held these views for a good 3 decades.

Now I spend each day in awe of the preciousness of our lives and am sensing very strongly that we are now capable and willing and wanting to fix the wrongs and make the world even more biologically diverse and healthier.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:49 AM

36. President Camacho has a 3 point plan

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Response to Kennah (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:39 AM

57. Links, plz?

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:51 AM

37. One problem.

The growing world population needs more jobs. Corporate capitalism is in the business of destroying jobs by squeezing out more productivity, downsizing, and automation, all in the name of greater profitability. More people + fewer jobs = all kinds of problems.

Your mission, should you accept, is to invent an economic system that rewards job creation instead of job destruction.

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Response to moondust (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:01 AM

40. +1000

Also, education about procreation. We are curently multiplying at an alarming rate. That's defenetly something that needs to be adressed. But sadly the conservative fundies think the more the merrier. Ugh...

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:30 AM

48. You mean "hope" as in we can keep exploiting the earth without limits?

 

Or hope as in we figure out a way to enjoy hucking spears and chilling out in our free time?

Probably neither. Civilization is destroying itself. We will be forced to decomplexify and deleverage our lives on the run from catastrophic ecosystem breakdown.

Maybe when the dust settles we can figure out how to go on without assholing it up. Probably not. Maybe a few hundred thousand years down the pipe, something "better" is around. Thats what we can hope for.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:06 AM

53. The human race isn't any different from the past.

All that discrimination, selfishness and unjust behavior is just part of who we are.
History has shown that over and over.

Hope for the world, now that might be a different thing.
We are irreversibly changing the world and it may destroy the progression of civilization.
This also has happened before too in Egypt, Greece, Rome and I'm sure in many other societies.
Our current culture and society may be forced to change before long into something very foreign to our current way of life. Within our own lives, maybe, maybe not. But humanity keeps on going. Suffering may increase but that's nothing new.

Our mistake is thinking that we have moved beyond all the trials and tribulations of history. We haven't. We are simply moving through a new phase of them and will be stuck repeating the past whether we like it or not.

The best we can do is to stay flexible and enjoy what we've got now.

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Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:25 AM

55. I Know It Looks Bad

I feel the same way you do in that the problems of the modern world can seem so overwhelming, so much so that you just want to crawl up into a little ball and hope that you can just survive through it. In the end, it is knowing your history that can help you. There has been so much that we have gone through. The end of times has come and gone again and again in our history and will come again. Those who lived through the Black Death thought that they were in the end times as did those who saw the first world war and the Spanish Flu wipe out whole generations. War, famine, death and disease stalk us as does the lion the gazelle. In the end, it is only our desire to grow and change that will save us. That change is in the wind right now, and you and I and every one who is ready to make this a better world is part of it. Don't give up, although I understand why you would want to. I see so much evil in the world that I don't think it can ever be changed. In the end, I know that there is more of us then them and I want to believe that right can overcome might. History says it is so, even though many lives may be lost in the effort. As long as there is enough of us who see the world we want to make, who are willing to work for it even if it is in small ways, who are willing to talk to others and share our beliefs, that is the tidal wave. We can be the 100th monkey. We are all the change we can believe in. Right now I can feel it. It may be too late for most of mankind but I think that we will pull through in the end. I just want the end to be a much better world for all those who inhabit it.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:39 AM

56. There is indeed some reason to be hopeful.

Well, firstly, we made it thru the Cold War, that's a major plus.....am I right? (I mean, come on, let's be honest with ourselves; if we, or the Soviets had pressed the button, and if we shot off our whole arsenal.....let's just say it'd make even the worst plausible climate change, or Apophis impact, or pandemic scenarios look like a walk in the park, in terms of the probability of the total destruction of civilization.)

Truth is, we do still have a ways to go, but based on my observations over the years, we are indeed turning the corner, bit by bit(And I'm not just talking about social progress, either?). Only question is, how many more hurdles will we have to face before we can finally do so?

All I can say is, never give up, and never give in, no matter what. )

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:10 AM

61. No See this DU post as evidence

 

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:14 AM

62. within reasonable limits, depending on what you hope for,

and when you expect it to happen. Change is inevitable and constant. Individuals may or may not change, but generations rise and then pass. My kid's generation takes as obvious and true some things my parents generation did not accept at all and my generation is still arguing about.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:14 AM

64. no

The greed of man will always bring the end.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:18 PM

66. Hey!!!

You forgot the BFEE!!!

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:23 PM

67. Our species is only special because we can tell ourselves that we are.

Whereas, the lowly sponges have been around a lot longer than we have and will probably still be around long after we're gone.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #67)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:52 PM

79. hail the lowly sponge!

 

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:30 PM

68. I do see hope for the human race

As long as it manages to disassociate itself from the American model of sustainability.

Greed, waste and ignorance are NOT survival strategies.

I know America is not alone in these sins. But the American MODEL is at fault here.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:58 PM

70. Do something different.

Go volunteer somewhere. Help someone. Visit people in nursing homes.You will meet many people doing the same things. Stop focusing on the negative and you will learn things.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:29 PM

72. i for one wait for the great comet or asteroid to cleanse this planet of the human virus

 

we don't deserve the Earth.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #72)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:33 PM

74. But then everything would be gone. The trees, the birds, the kittens..

Nope, asteroid not on my menu.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #74)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:34 PM

75. the earth can heal itself

 

humans are incapable of great healing.

they only bring massive suffering.

the earth will be here until the sun blows up. that's a loooooong time.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:42 PM

78. :(

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:36 PM

76. Define hope. Is it simply survival of the species? If so, I have to say yes.

 

Is it the realization of our potential? Then I have to say, not that I can see.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:04 PM

80. you may not accept the premise in this video below..but please consider it

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:05 PM

81. We...

...as a species are circling the drain... Climate change over the next 100 yrs or so will put us back centuries. It won't eradicate us but it will force us to re-evaluate or existence.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:05 PM

82. For heaven's sake,read some history books. The human race hasn't changed.

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Response to rainy (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:10 PM

83. On a long enough timeline...

...everyones (species) survival rate is zero.

The real question has always been, how close are you (we) to the end of timeline...

Enjoy what you have while you can and love the one(s) you're with, because...

No one gets out alive.




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