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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:53 PM

Glenn Beck vs. The Citadel: Who Announced Plans for a Libertarian Commune Better?

This week saw not one but two announcements about the development of intentional living communities dedicated to the principles of libertarianism: one from Glenn Beck (Independence, USA, a "city-theme park hybrid" that will marry "media, live events, small business stores, educational projects, charity, entertainment, news, information, and technology R&D") and the other from a group of like-minded citizens looking to build a rifleman's paradise in the mountains of Idaho (The Citadel, which boasts "No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes.").

Which one will you choose? Let's take a look at the facts.
http://gawker.com/5975573/glenn-beck-vs-the-citadel-who-announced-plans-for-a-libertarian-commune-better

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Reply Glenn Beck vs. The Citadel: Who Announced Plans for a Libertarian Commune Better? (Original post)
RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 OP
silverweb Jan 2013 #1
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #2
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #4
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #5
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #6
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #8
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #9
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #10
Tx4obama Jan 2013 #3
bunnies Jan 2013 #7
Whovian Jan 2013 #11
freshwest Feb 2013 #12

Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:55 PM

1. Glenn Beck's Independence Park: Utopia or Crazy Town?

This is so much fun to watch!

http://www.treehugger.com/urban-design/glenn-becks-independence-park-utopia-or-crazy-town.html

Re "The Citadel": “Insignificant people like Vanderboegh will always seek to attack the winners in life,” the (4-time) convicted felon (loser) sniffed.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/01/18/convicted-extortionist-a-key-figure-in-idaho-citadel-patriot-project/

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:14 PM

2. I still hope they do it.

To me its a really powerful idea: What is an ideology lead to in isolation? Of and in itself? In a sustainable setting? Does it work? My bias is that it wouldn't: A planned community is anathema to the very concepts of libertarianism. When I go into areas with the most unplanned zoning and liberty, what I see is mobile homes turned this way and that on desert lots, with broken down cars and other junk in front. Its not pretty, but its nobody's business in those areas to tell them to clean it up.

That's why I think these would make for such an incredible reality TV show, a real lab exploring the ideas of liberty as they intersect with community.

Plus I just think sustainable communities are cool. I want a left wing version, growing pot plants and food, with concrete houses too. (I dream of a concrete home) I'd be all in. That would be a good reality TV too, especially on at the same time as the conservative one. Lets see what everybody's ideas lead to of and in themselves.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:16 PM

4. Jim Jones. Heaven's Gate. Ruby Ridge.

 

Branch Davidians, Orange People, The Family, Exclusive Brethren, Swaggert, Westbourough Baptist, Taliban, Khmer Rouge, Rwanda, Idi Amin, every tin pot eugenic purist.

We ALREADY KNOW exactly what it turns into. Isolationism, purism, fanatical adherence to any credo leads to conflict.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:02 AM

5. Does it? Then make it a reality TV show.

Lets see that unfold, step in before it gets to bad.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:07 PM

6. Already happening. it's called America. /nt

 

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:55 AM

8. Oh you.

You know what they say, a watched pot never boils. America is really putting that idea to the test: I feel like we're all on reality TV.

I was out doing laundry today and your post crossed my mind. I falsely remembered your name being "TheElectricMonk", and with the Rad symbol I contemplated how awesome that was. Now I see I was wrong, but TheMadMonk is cool too.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:27 AM

9. Sadly you/we all are. FB, Twitter, YouTube, Funniest...

 

Home Videos, Candid Camera and it's increasingly ghoulish spawn. And how many themed Reality TV shows can we have? And how many versions of each? Cooking, survival, pressure cooker, renovation, then there's the whole voyeurist sub-genre, young, dumb and full of ..., Farmer Wants a Wife, Loopy and the Terminally Sexless. .

Just how blatant can they get before even the perpetually clueless realise that it really is nothing but bread & circuses.

Just how much quality anything do we really see on screens small or Cinemascope these days? One liners and dazzling special effects. And reruns (or wooden remakes) of lowest common denominator cheese from days gone by.

Lemon Curry?

Some?
Not even Close.
Sometimes it seems like WE ALL WANT TO WATCH THE BLOODY WORLD BURN!!! One side splitting moment at a time.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:49 AM

10. You really are a bit enlightened, aren't you.

My recent favourite was "Beyond Scared Strait". So far as I could tell, the show brought forth scenes of systematic child abuse within the prison industrial complex, for pleasures I myself legally enjoy (smoking pot). Favourite because it revealed the true state of our psyches.

The other morning I woke up and lit up a cigarette. I asked my partner why I was doing it, as we stood around with our morning coffee smoking and daydreaming. I freaked out, because it hit me suddenly that my life was a daydream, and the Internet is all of our collective daydream. We're all now in a dream from which it is unlikely we will awaken.

I'll tell you where I find pleasure in it all: Science, raw and naked. The truth which doesn't care whether you believe in it or not. Yes, we all want to watch it burn in a way. The reality of the human condition is biological, and we've been systematically cut off from nature where fight or flight, blood and glory, will and love, are the law. Being able to surrender to these things beyond our control - that's the beauty of embracing science. The answers given to us by rational pursuit of understanding nature and the universe will supersede whatever humans believe, even if every single one of us believes to the contrary. (What all the perception control political tards don't grasp) The core moral beautiful realities of science don't go away even when the majority stops believing in them.

So yes, when I look at the world, one part of me is horrified. But another, deeper part of my is bored.

Let's party.

Peace.
-Nir

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:02 PM

3. More info regarding The Citadel including image on link below

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 05:11 PM

7. Now THERE are some fences we REALLY need to build.

Hurry up and build!!!!

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:32 AM

11. Sounds like Bioshock 4

 

Gamers will get this.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:55 PM

12. Ooh, I can hardly wait. No money down, no interest, Nirvana here I come! Damn cold, though...

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