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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:08 PM

I've spent much of the last 6 months defriending Right Wingers

I just realized I sort of accidentally ended up threadjacking someone else's thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=276973) and I didn't mean to do that. But here's my rage post for the day. Maybe some of you agree, maybe some of you do not.

I know I am going to hear from people who say it's not a good policy to insulate yourself with like-minded thinkers but this really isn't about this at all. This is about defriending total fucking whack-a-loons.

And it's not a situation where you can reason with these people and bring them around. The vast majority of them are concrete set in their opinions and your opinion only makes them more willing to sink lower to defend themselves against what they view as far left communist points of view.

There's no respectful debate or thoughtful discourse to be had here and no true persuasion can be made no matter how many facts, studies or sources I have to support my logical point of view versus their angry, rage induced, fear riddled conspiracy theories.

So why bother?

Also for people that think friendships should outweigh politics, I have a hard time with that. I view your politics as who you are.

-If you support assault weapons and the NRA, you're endorsing arming maniacs, in my opinion because there's no fucking hunting use for an AR-15 unless you're the world's worst fucking hunter.

-If you're anti-abortion to the point of legislation to criminalize it, you hate women and don't believe they should have control of their bodies.

-If you're against gay marriage, you're a hateful bigot who thinks equality isn't worth having in our country.

-If you rail against illegal immigrants as if they are the reason for every problem and refuse to look at the corporations that have outsourced your jobs away, cut pay and benefits to the bone, paid through the nose to rig elections and crush unions. Well then you're clearly a racist.

-If you bitch about drug tests for welfare recipients and then make a ton of 'lazy welfare people stealing from me' comments while not giving two fucks about corporate welfare. Then again, you are a racist. This time against blacks because 99 times out of 100 that what "welfare queens" is veiled to mean. And it's bullshit.

-If you think Science is a scam, that Global Warming is a hoax, that education is elitism and that teachers are overpaid greedy moochers. You're a total douchebag that deserves to be ridiculed for your dumb fucking ideas and your MORAN signs. Idiots.

-If you think Fox News, Drudge, Limbaugh, Beck or any of those other fucking paid liars is REAL NEWS while you deride Snopes and Fact Check sites as "liberal rags", you're too stupid to have a conversation with.

-If you think our debt is spiraling out of control because of Obama who has almost never had a Democratic Congress to pass him spending bills, has spent less than any President since Eisenhower and oh yeah you didn't say a FUCKING WORD when Rumsfeld LOST $2 TRILLION at the Pentagon (and never recovered it... aka THEY STOLE IT) or Bush took a HUGE surplus and spent us into record deficits... then you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

-If you think Benghazi is proof that our President wanted people to die when 4 people died there and you're OUTRAGED that he would not be aware of the intelligence of an impending attack when BUSH purposely IGNORED an 8/6/01 PDB that spelled out the fucking 9/11 attacks IN CRAYON and did NOTHING as 4,000 people died. Then sent thousands more to die in a war of CHOICE based on fake intelligence that they doctored up. FUCK OFF RIGHT NOW. Also, how many fucking embassy bombings occurred under Bush? Care to name that stat fuckhead?

-If you think our President is a Muslim who went to a Madrassa and wasn't born in America. Or that he's a socialist/marxist/communist who is going to take your guns and possibly try to rule you by force. Fuck you, you fucking lunatic.

-If you believe tax cuts for the rich make sense and that trickle down economics is fair because THEY EARNED IT and we're all just trying to steal from the rich with our "entitlements" (SS/Medicare) then you are a fucking sheep and don't deserve to have a job. You deserve to be outsourced by your precious corporate masters. Go fuck yourself.

-If you think Health Care for everyone is so fucking unconstitutional and terrible but endless war is a good thing. Please sign up for the war and let's get a friendly fire going. But if you get shot, FUCK YOU, no VA Hospital assclown.

There's more but yeah that's the gist of it. How you can stay friends with people that have zero empathy for others and are greedy fuckers who don't give a shit about anyone else - and YES if they vote that way, that's what they are supporting - is beyond me.

I want good people in my life. Rational, reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent people. Not dumb fucks.

Yes, it's abrasive but after 20 years of their bullshit. Fuck them.

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Reply I've spent much of the last 6 months defriending Right Wingers (Original post)
MessiahRp Jan 2013 OP
Flashmann Jan 2013 #1
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #2
tblue Jan 2013 #3
narnian60 Jan 2013 #11
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #4
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #6
Flashmann Jan 2013 #7
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #15
daleanime Jan 2013 #34
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #39
fleur-de-lisa Jan 2013 #23
catbyte Jan 2013 #29
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #32
PADemD Jan 2013 #36
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #46
PADemD Jan 2013 #47
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #49
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #53
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #56
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #38
catbyte Jan 2013 #54
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #58
catbyte Jan 2013 #59
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #5
Blanks Jan 2013 #8
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #37
Blanks Jan 2013 #44
kairos12 Jan 2013 #9
narnian60 Jan 2013 #10
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backscatter712 Jan 2013 #18
LibertyLover Jan 2013 #20
People b4 profits Jan 2013 #12
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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:11 PM

1. I have a hard time with that. I view your politics as who you are.

In this age.....And climate I have to agree....Just as I agree,100%,with your rant,in it's entirety......




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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:16 PM

2. ...........

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:19 PM

3. You don't have to justify it.

I cut those people loose at the very start. I don't want that negative energy in my life. It's enough that they have their peeps running the House of Representatives and the SCOTUS. That's enough exposure for me right there.

I also see one's politics as a strong indicator of a person's heart and soul. I can give examples, but I don't want to spend 5 seconds reliving those bad, sad, hurtful moments.

Free yourself from all that bedevils you. It's righteous and right. You have a sensitive, loving, giving heart, I can tell. Not just anyone deserves to take from it. Go wherever you feel loved, fortified and free.

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Response to tblue (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:57 PM

11. Love that, tblue.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:23 PM

4. In today's world

In today vocabulary "defriending" someone has no meaning. You removed them from your facebook?

Who cares.

I have a FB account, and can honestly say that of my "friends", there are few who are.

My "friends" are people who I would go to bat for and would do the same for me, they are people who I can call in an emergency and not get any other response than, "I'm on my way". They go above and beyond some bullshit political divide that the politicians on this country have created to divide the voting block. I can count them on my hands.

We disagree on many things, we have certainly been in a fights with each other, been in fights together, it takes 10 years to get on that list ... commonly known as the "10 year rule".

There is very little that will separate them and I, disagreement on some political issue certainly will not do it.

If you spend your life setting up some set of rules that one has to obey, or some set of thoughts you must adhere to, to be friends ... you will end up with none. Eventually, everyone disagrees about something.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:34 PM

6. Defriending doesn't mean just FB.

I disassociate with them entirely. Feel free to stick with your friends, just remember every time they donate money, spread political lies or support the political enemy though all of that goodwill you think you have face to face, meant nothing because they worked against you and your interests every step of the way.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:46 PM

7. Well said

I don't have a facefuck account from which to unfriend anyone and never have.....The people of the mindset you rail against,are the very last people I would call in any sort of crisis,and who would be the very last ones I'd expect any help from,were I to call.....Those sorts of folks aren't friends....They're acquaintances....As such,like you have done,I long ago disassociated myself from that shit.....

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:06 PM

15. LOL

I have known men for 30 years and I have no idea what their opinion on "drug tests for welfare" is. I would imagine about the same as mine ... STFU and bother someone else.

I know that those of us who follow politics and post on political forums have feelings that we hold to be true, and defend those opinions with robust debate, but you do realize that in the grand scheme of things we are the minority.

I am just curious, if you "disassociate with them entirely" do you have a questionnaire that you routinely have filled out? People's opinions change. What if I had a friend who I knew back before Fox news ever existed? When we all found out that Fox news was teh ebil was I to question those in my confidence as to their loyalty to the "cause". Oh my God, you watch O'Reilly ... you and I can never speak again and all memory of you, your wife and two kids shall be blighted from my thoughts. I hope you all rot in hell.

What if they lied to me about their opinion? Should I ask to see their tax return to make sure they did not donate to thine enemy?

My friends and I rarely talk politics ... we're busy, living life.

In your OP, the only person who sounded "concrete set in their opinions and your opinion only makes them more willing to sink lower to defend themselves against" was you.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:15 PM

34. Good name....

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:40 PM

39. Most opinions on politics become static very quickly.

I don't need a questionnaire to know a misogynist/racist/whacko is not worth my time and to be able to recognize their dog whistle tactics (or even their blunt hate comments, if they prefer that approach).

And I was very clear who I was defriending here. RIGHT WINGERS. Not Moderates. Not even all Republicans. So YES they are set in their opinions and unwilling to compromise, just like their jackass representatives.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:45 PM

23. Good answer, Messiah. - eom

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:47 PM

29. Lurker, being a Republican these days entails so much more than a mere "difference of opinion"

It goes straight to the core of who you are as a person, and I cannot in good conscience be friends with hateful, selfish bigots who go through life spouting willfully ignorant crap. Life is just too damn short. It's not like Republicans and Democrats merely disagree on the marginal tax rate--it goes to WHO YOU ARE and what your values are. There is not one so-called Republican value that's worth anything to me. How can I embrace a racist, misogynistic, selfish, greedy, ignorant person? Who needs that?

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Response to catbyte (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:08 PM

32. Wow

Just wow.

Really?

Every Republican is "a racist, misogynistic, selfish, greedy, ignorant person"?

And, somehow, these people who you refer to are the people who have an issue? "Straight to the core of who you are as a person"?

My parents are life long republicans, are both approaching 80, have both served in the military, and if someone said those things about my parents to my face there would be a cloud of dust, for sure. Do they have some outdated ideas, and are they on the wrong side of many issues moving into a new millennium? Hell yea they are, and they know it. I have been in their house when my father has let others stay there because they had nowhere to go, been there when we helped rebuild a church on Washington Ave after a storm, countless times my family and I have helped others ... my parents are some of the most generous, down to earth, honest people I have ever met. It is how I was raised, and you think that I should remove them from my life because my mother is pro choice and my father is against gay marriage?? Hell they do not agree with each other on lots of things ... if they were like you they would not have been married for 50+ years.

Just out of curiosity, is James Carville evil? Or just his wife? Damn sure is a good thing that most logical people do not have these litmus tests on who they associate with ... purists. LOL.

Most people are pretty much the same, we get our ass up and go to work ... day in and day out, we have families that have issues, and we struggle with our own personal demons, we have goals and we do what we think is the right thing to do, for the most part. To think that 50% of the people of this country are "racist, misogynistic, selfish, greedy, ignorant person(s)" must be depressing.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:20 PM

36. My mother was like your parents.

A life-long Republican until a year before she died. She took a good look at the Republican Party and left. She died a proud Democrat.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:41 PM

46. Great

Up until that last year of her life I would have to assume she was a horrible person, spent all of her time doing as much as she could to bring about the destruction of modern society. I am sure you must have been raised as a racist, knowing nothing but hate from such a terrible person.

It's a good thing you didn't remove her from your life and have nothing more to do with her ...

You would have never known the change happened.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:59 PM

47. What?

The last year of her life was when George Bush was in office. She was disgusted with what the whole Republican Party had become. She was the same wonderful person; the Republican Party had changed.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:23 AM

49. So ...

OK, so when Reagan was in office I would have to assume that she was all in favor of the policies that lead us down this path that we are on today, right? Prolly voted for Bush I.

What a horrible person, the world would be so much better off if people like her never existed. Republicans, evil ... every single last one of them. Why would you have still have contact with her in the late 80's? When did you "disassociate with her entirely" being that she was a "racist, misogynistic, selfish, greedy, ignorant person"? Did you not see how her and her like have lead to the evil, lead to the destruction of the world, busted the unions, killed millions, supported Iran Contra.

See, blanket statements are a bitch. The people you know that were the "good" republicans can't be the exception ... they are all bad.

Purity.

May they all rot in hell ... your family too. After all, it "goes straight to the core of who you are as a person".

Stereotypes are all fun and good, until you or yours are on the wrong side of one. Litmus tests, do you not perform them on the people that you know? Or do they just get a pass on the last year of thier life?

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #49)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:48 AM

53. Whole lot of Republican defending coming from a low post count user

Might want to be careful about how often you're going to post in a thread that Republicans aren't so bad...

As for the above nonsense. If you cut family off for being right wingers and they suddenly turn way left, there's no rule to say that dialogue can't be reopened later. But during the stretch of insanity where hate and bile spews forth, I personally choose to stop associating with that. The shit that's been said can be compared to violent neo nazi type of comments more often than not these days but hey in your world befriending the KKK and neo nazis is worthwhile as well isn't it?

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:36 PM

38. James Carville stabbed John Kerry in the back on Election Night in 2004

Fuck him and his wife.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:33 AM

54. You can sugarcoat Republican ideology all you want Lurker.

I feel that denying climate change, weakening environmental regulations, forcing women to obey laws that men passed telling them what they can do with their own bodies, ignoring health care reform, loving the fetus but despising the child by punishing poor mothers by cutting pre and postnatal health, nutrition, and education programs, slashing food stamps & Medicaid, demonizing minorities, supporting reckless saber-rattling and wars of choice, ignoring infrastructure, denying the separation of church & state, and gutting worker's rights and restricting voting rights are just a few things your nice Republicans support directly or indirectly through their support of what's become of the Republican party. I am 57 and remember a different GOP, a little stodgy but reasonable. It began going downhill when Reagan embraced the Theocrats and Plutocrats. To support that agenda is to support evil and I want no part of it. You can ignore these things all you want but I can't, so have a nice day.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #54)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 09:12 AM

58. Let's get this list straight

I am going to print up a form today, to make sure all my friends and family are "pure".

Who the fuck is against "nutrition"? How do I ask my friends about that?

"Hey, do you think that nutrition is good or bad"?

FFS! I am sure glad I do not live where ever it is that you guys run into all these crazy ass people, I would be in a fist fights every single day from sunrise to sunset. I have a sneaky feeling though ... that you run into all this BS on the internet, cause you don't get out much.

I love to travel, and I have like 6 weeks paid time off a year ... clue me in on where all these people hang out, I would love to run into a group of folks actually sitting around, "demonizing minorities", or despising children.


LOL!

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:59 PM

59. You don't need to act evil to support it.

How are you enjoying your stay?

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:25 PM

5. Rant on!

I agree completely. It is impossible to reason with morans and life is too short to associate with them. We have to find ways to inoculate and insulate our society from them and the damage they do.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:48 PM

8. I always thought it was 'unfriending'...

I kind of disagree with you though. As far as Facebook; I think if there aren't people to stand up against the bullies, your other friends think its ok to feel that way.

I can see avoiding people that you come into contact with in person, but if they start spouting off; they need to be confronted. It isn't the same as seeking out confrontation, but when they're in your face; you have to discourage them from spreading hate.

I haven't been on Facebook for a couple of days because of the 'gun-nut hate', but they're gonna lose that anyway. You can't fight every battle, and it's a good idea to take a break, but if you aren't challenging them; bystanders might think you agree.

That's why I think it's better to keep fighting them. Even though you will never change their mind; you might demonstrate to someone else that they are wrong and hateful and even dangerous.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:35 PM

37. I've found the opposite.

If you engage with these dolts, most people step out and try to ignore the thread because they don't want to get involved, especially mutual friends. Otherwise people on their page tend to side with their friend, people on my page side with me mostly and nothing gets resolved. It's definitely not worth the battle since a massive amount of people using FB tune out political posts and the rest have picked sides and seem firmly entrenched in them.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:58 PM

44. I found less people liking the persons comments.

I have a very specific 'friend' that I deal with.

I'm sure it isn't consistent across all environments, but I find that if I seriously engage him on something; he backs off, and gets less support.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:52 PM

9. Total Agreement With Your List

In my Red locale that list of beliefs requires you to de-friend essentially the entire State, gladly done.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:55 PM

10. When they are part of your immediate family, it is so much harder.

I agree with all you say, but how do you defriend, say--your MOM! I am in constant turmoil dreading she will bring "it" up. We have made an agreement not to talk politics, but she manages to subtly start up & it's making me nuts.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:03 PM

14. I have the family dilemma also

So......I removed all my pics.....haven't posted anything in 4 months and only go there once in a while to take a look and log out quickly.

Not only do I dislike the family gun posts......since the site is for profit.......they wont get anymore info from me....

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:21 PM

18. Put them on your Restricted List.

Well, that's helpful on Facebook, at least.

Use Facebook's lists feature, they already have a Restricted list set up for you. Set your status updates to be visible to Friends Except Restricted. That does wonders to keep obnoxious relatives from Facebook-stalking you and creating shitstorms in all your status updates & posts.

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:21 PM

20. I know what you mean -

Two of my cousins have really 'drunk the kool-aid' and it makes family gatherings incredibly stressful, especially since they don't want anything to do with our internationally adopted daughter because she isn't 'white'. Thankfully we see them about once every two or three years. Three days ago, I finally blocked them on my Facebook account. Reading their postings about 'that monkey Obama' and 'Sandy Hook was done by the government to grab our guns' was getting me worked up with no decent outlet - my husband didn't want to hear it. The post that made me finally go freaking ballistic was one that was reasonably mild for these 2. They announced they wanted to secede from the US. I told them to go right ahead, since it had worked out so well for folks the last time it was tried and then went to settings and blocked them. I feel so much better now.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:02 PM

12. Used to be that it was possible to remain "friends" with political opponents.

 

But the extremeness of the right has killed that - forever.

Just as they killed our leaders (jack, Martin, Bobby, ...) with no consequences, they have learned that they can do anything without suffering for it.
Steal pensions - no problem.
Crash the economy - no problem.
Start false wars for profit - no problem.
Subvert elections - no problem.
Send our jobs to slave-labor nations while destroying our environment for monetary gain - no problem.

Those who say that "petty politics" should not determine who you associate (or friend) with are taking the traditional American way out - never give up anything if you can help it. Ignore Uncle Joe's klan outfit hanging in the closet as long as he does not wear it to Thanksgiving dinner. Don't rock the boat, even if it is sinking beneath you.

Do not shun/fight/hate the assholes because they hurt you or make you uncomfortable.
They are our enemies because of the damage they do to our world that, unfortunately for the present, we are forced to share with them.
We owe it to society more than ourselves.

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Response to People b4 profits (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:27 PM

21. Who do you people know?

Really, I read this board and I wonder where the hell some of you live, and where you find all of these people?

I live in the heart of the south, Houston f'n Texas, I stop at some ice house or other boozer joint almost every day after work. Sure, I hear some blowhard every now and again at the end of the bar talking smack, but those people are mostly ignored or laughed at. You are right, there is no reasoning with them ... they have few friends.

Uncle Joe's clan outfit? WTF??

Maybe I am just lucky ... all the time, but I do not see all this in my everyday life.

Most of the people I meet are just like me, hard working honest blue collar cogs in some f'n wheel, and we seldom talk about politics (or religion) ... more like Johnny Football or who playing at the Woodlands this weekend.

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:02 PM

13. I will be saving this post

It will definitely come in handy. Thank you for writing what I've been thinking!

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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:13 PM

16. Same here. Ditched them.

Most of them were people I haven't seen in years and will probably never see them again.

I've "hidden" one friend's responses since I work with him in our car club so I turned off his notifications. It's a relief to not see his pro-gun announcements anymore.

I unfriended two relatives in Las Vegas. I'll probably never see them again either. One cousin posted a racist remark about Obama. I unfriended him quickly and another cousin who thought the racist remark was funny. Just because we share the same blood doesn't mean I need to be chums with them.



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Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:15 PM

17. I'm with you - I'm allergic to assholes!

I have a few tricks I'm currently using to make Facebook suck less.

1. I use Social Fixer to automagically fix some of Facebook's brain damage like the constant Farmville posts & such - Social Fixer automagically filters them.

2. I created a new friends list that I call Dunbar's Circle, named after Dunbar's number, the theoretical cognitive limit to the number of meaningful relationships you have, which is estimated to be somewhere in the 150-200 range. My criteria for anyone I put into Dunbar's Circle:

  • I must know you in meat-space. In other words, I met you in person, not just over the Internet.

  • I must feel I have some sort of substantial relationship with you - family member, friend, coworker, and that this relationship is something I want to cultivate. Dunbar's Circle is for people I want to associate with. Sorry, that means the old high-school acquaintance I haven't seen in 15 years probably won't make the cut.

  • I cap the list at 200 members, max. And right now, my Dunbar's Circle is quite a bit smaller.

    A cool side-effect of going straight to Dunbar's List on Facebook is that I bypass much of the advertising and fluff and net.assholes that clutter up my Facebook feed, and Facebook again becomes a place where I can see what my friends are up to.

    Now I'm going to have to create a Dunbar's Circle in Google+.

    3. I have a Restricted List on Facebook for people, like right-wing family members that you don't want to deal with, but can't unfriend without creating a shitstorm. Then I have my status updates automatically set to be visible to Friends except Restricted.
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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:21 PM

    19. Same here

    My sister is a rightie..and its not that she has a difference of opinion that irks me,..its the amount of hate she pedals..good bye to her!

    My wife has a cousin who is married to a rightie who also spreads hate..good bye to him

    My oldest friend..same way..


    All of these people are racists and bigots and refuse to admit it..they even used the N word an still said they were "only joking!"

    Together they would make a soap opera of ignorance and hate..

    If I could I would write a script for a TV show about them all but I would face two problems; One is that no one would believe people could be THAT stupid and second..I would not know whether to sell it as a comedy or a tragedy..

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:30 PM

    22. A righteous rant, indeed.

    You put into words what many of us believe. Thank you.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:03 PM

    24. I have not time for right-wing nuts myself!!

    Way to go

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:04 PM

    25. Great post and so true K&R

    I am so sick of these dinosaurs who think they know everything when in fact they are so ignorant they don't realize it. Getting that negatively out of your life is good for ones soul. They have lost any sense of reason and common sense. I just hope there are more of us than them because if not this country is screwed big time. Forget about the debt the crazies will be the one destroying this country.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:07 PM

    26. I bet you feel a whole like better about it. The stress is less.

     

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    Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #26)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:45 PM

    41. It's true I do feel better.

    Just the ridiculous lies and smears they spread about Obama to support a serial lying piece of shit in Mitt Romney was enough. Now mind you, I haven't been the strongest of Obama supporters because I feel he needs to come to the left on a variety of issues but there's reasonable debate to be had about policy that doesn't begin immediately with the premise that he's some sort of evil terrorist here to steal guns and kill Americans off like the total fucking bullshit the right spouts.

    I kid you not when I say Alex Jones' crazy batshit rant on Piers Morgan is how many Republicans end up sounding... especially on social networks.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Reply #41)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:50 PM

    43. All kidding aside they are nothing but nuts and fruits. Its time to throw them out because they are

     

    spoiled.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:23 PM

    27. Very well said, rec'd.

     

    It's like you know every single closed-minded repuke in the state of Virginia because every single one of them is exactly like what you just described. I would add that they just love to flap their stupid lips constantly, extremely proud to be as stupid as they are and they love to do things like intimidate voters, talk about killing people and regularly gossip about anything and everything.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:41 PM

    28. I didn't defriend right wingers,

    I defriended people that were mean and stupid. It worked out the same anyway. The amount of overlap was astonishing.

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    Response to JoeyT (Reply #28)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:46 PM

    42. Well, you better do that.

     

    Spoken out or unspoken, they are part of the problem.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:54 PM

    30. A big change has happened since I was young and went to college....

    Somewhere the shift happened from "being well educated, knowing culture and being able to think critically" to going to college merely for job training. It's the loss of critical thinking as a desirable quality in a person, that I believe is at fault for the increase in belief systems, where opinions are not formed from any logical analysis or studies of both sides of an issue, but from an emotional response resulting in an almost religious belief.

    This emotional response is what Rush Limbaugh et al have exploited so well. And that has increased their number and their rabidness, IMO.

    I agree with your points.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:04 PM

    31. thank you

    I completely agree with every point you made. I copied this onto my facebook page. The liberal left is wide awake and the teabaggers are looking for good hiding places. I hope this rant goes viral.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:08 PM

    33. I unfriended two on Facebook recently

    One was an old friend I hadn't seen since the '70s. He hadn't moved since then, but seemed to be happy with a nice family. Then election season came, and he railed about the "Kenyan." Hard to believe how people change. Goodbye.

    The other more recent is the son of a close friend. Turns out he's a gun nut, and posted that he admires Alex Jones. Goodbye.

    Bottom line is I have conservative friends, but I won't tolerate the haters and the nuts.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:27 PM

    35. spot on

    to the op.

    i'm currently reading a book by chris mooney called...........the republican brain.

    i'm about 90 pages into it as he breaks down the conservative mindset and the psychological therories he proffers at length along with studies he bases his conclusions on.

    in an air of being somewhat unbiased he also breaks down the liberal/progressive mindset as a comparative.

    interesting read that might help relieve some of your exasperation.

    good rant though.

    fuckin repugs.............really, they can't help the way they're wired.

    i'm more and more convinced each day it's a total waste of time trying to convince these assholes what reality is. when presented with accurate info that flys in their face it must be immediately debunked to save their INaccurate belief.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:43 PM

    40. +10000000000000000000000000000012

     

    You did the right thing, and I applaud you for knowing the true pride in your beliefs.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:00 PM

    45. I completely agree in principle, I would state some things differently. I have learned to

    ignore right-wingers. They spew out made up bullshit and fly into a rage any time their "facts" are challenged. If you challenge them enough times, they develop a hate complex toward you. I say fuck them, life is too short and too challenging for me to give a shit about what they think, or even how they feel because they have no feelings for anyone else. It is easier and more beneficial to society to fight them.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:09 AM

    48. I am not sure how many people you would be friends with still after your criteria for interaction.

    Most of your post is targeting fringe wackos, something everyone can get behind. Like when a band or comedian comes out on stage and says "Wow, I have never seen a crowd as nice as this one in (insert city)!, just for applause.

    However, the main problem is with two of your first bullet-points. You cannot pin someone as clearly into the "Right-wing" category with gay marriage equality and the 2nd amendment as you can with abortion.

    I was campaigning hard against the hate that is Prop 8 here in California. If you think all of my verbal sparring was with toothless rednecks, you are mistaken. Many, many democrats, who could hardly be called right-wing, voted in favor of that garbage. Blame it on the out-of-state Mormon funding all you want, I blame it on back wards religious and cultural thinking of people who are otherwise generally good.

    "De-friending" someone who lives in a rural area, and does not have the same views on a particular weapons platform as you do, would be petty to say the least. There are plenty of progressive people who live in rural areas who do not want the feds involved in their choice of hunting weapon. If you have only lived in LA or Chicago, I can see where that point of view would come from, but if you have never seen the openness and beauty of Missoula or Juneau, you may not see where they are coming from.

    Personally, unless someone is just so whacked-out that they won't even attempt to listen to my side of a debate, I will at least try to get a word in. You would be surprised at how many people may at the time dismiss your points as invalid, but will later process them and start to come around.

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    Response to Socal31 (Reply #48)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 08:54 AM

    57. The Prop H8 voters voted for hate, for right wing bigotry. They are not 'generally good'

    they are ignorant, atavistic simpletons soaked in hate and division. No one thinks the only ignorant atavistic simpletons are 'red necks' or in poverty, I lived in Beverly Hills and the place crawls with ignorant atavistic simpletons.
    I blame each of them who voted against their neighbor's rights for being the sort of people who vote to revoke their neighbor's rights. And to be honest, I also blame those who attempt to craft excuses for hate.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:27 AM

    50. On the one hand

    You never want to be afraid to debate these folks, and if you avoid them too much, they will think you are scared.

    On the other, I have no problem avoiding these people who have willingly contracted a mental disease. I do not want their flu, and I do not want their politics, because it makes me ill

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:00 AM

    51. I've defriended one person and been defriended by two others over politics

    The one posted a homophobic rant on my page. The other two didn't take kindly to my views regarding 1) Rush Limbaugh and 2) Benghazi.

    Apart from family (who actually don't post anything political and ignore my political posts) I only have one Conservative friend that I actively talk with. And he's full on "Go Galt." We disagree almost completely about politics but he's been supportive of me when I was having problems and I've returned the favor. I don't respect his politics (and I don't think he respects mine) but we do respect each other and have pretty much agreed to disagree on politics - we've got enough else to talk about. I also block him whenever I go off on something I know he'd argue about - out of respect as much as not wanting to argue! And the one thing that keeps me from blocking his more rabid right-wing posts is that he doesn't blindly repost the viral pictures and posters, his rants never goes beyond the pale (even when I want to scream "you idiot!" at him), and he's quick to quash comments from his right wing friends when he thinks they've gone too far. He's the only civil paleo-right winger I've run into online.

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:10 AM

    52. I do not do anything like FB but I justed wanted to say that by cleaning out all the trash

    you have made room in your life for new folks who may be more sane and that is good thing so be happy

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    Response to MessiahRp (Original post)

    Sat Jan 19, 2013, 07:52 AM

    55. I never even try to engage those people, it is impossible

    I have no right wing "friends" left.

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