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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:09 PM

The real scandal of Kucinich working for Fox

Conservatives are taken care of win or lose by the conservative money machine. Joe Walsh and Alan West will be taken care of by some think tank somewhere. Kucinich was one of the poorest members of the House when he was forced out. He didn't cash in. Now he is out and no liberal infrastructure exists to take care of him like the conservatives do Walsh and West. We wonder why so many of our representatives end up turning to corporate employment after their service. At last Kucinich stayed clean during his era of public service. If we want our liberal representatives to not be corrupted we need to take care of them in their retirement.

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Reply The real scandal of Kucinich working for Fox (Original post)
dsc Jan 2013 OP
ProSense Jan 2013 #1
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #12
ProSense Jan 2013 #14
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #19
BainsBane Jan 2013 #61
cyclezealot Jan 2013 #68
xoom Jan 2013 #117
hfojvt Jan 2013 #106
bunnies Jan 2013 #125
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #2
liam_laddie Jan 2013 #8
AlinPA Jan 2013 #22
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #27
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #66
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #28
Bucky Jan 2013 #52
BainsBane Jan 2013 #62
randome Jan 2013 #130
NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #56
BainsBane Jan 2013 #65
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #105
BainsBane Jan 2013 #108
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #111
BainsBane Jan 2013 #113
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #114
BainsBane Jan 2013 #115
adieu Jan 2013 #59
Stryder Jan 2013 #102
frylock Jan 2013 #60
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #69
NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #73
Stryder Jan 2013 #98
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #3
ProSense Jan 2013 #4
DJ13 Jan 2013 #5
ProSense Jan 2013 #7
DJ13 Jan 2013 #10
ProSense Jan 2013 #11
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madville Jan 2013 #6
Scuba Jan 2013 #9
dsc Jan 2013 #13
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15
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dsc Jan 2013 #23
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sadbear Jan 2013 #16
liberalmuse Jan 2013 #86
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:15 PM

1. There are plenty of left-leaning progressive think thanks

MINNESOTA
Growth & Justice
Center for Rural Policy and Development
Early Childhood Research Collaborative
Institute for Local Self-Reliance
Institute on Race and Poverty
Jobs Now Coalition
Minnesota 2020
Minnesota Budget Project
OTHER STATES
Public Policy Institute of California
The Bell Policy Center (Colorado)
MassINC
Policy Matters Ohio
Oregon Center for Public Policy
Center on Wisconsin Strategy
REGIONAL/NATIONAL
The Brookings Institution
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Economic Analysis and Research Network
Economic Policy Institute
Good Jobs First
New America Foundation
Progressive States Network
Project on Regional and Industrial Economics
The Tax Foundation
Urban Institute
Urban Land Institute

http://www.growthandjustice.org/Progressive_Think_Tanks.html

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Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:50 PM

12. What's their starting salaries?

Do any of them even pay?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:52 PM

14. There is no place to find work except Fox Noise.

Viva la Fox!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:03 PM

19. I'm not happy with Dennis...but if he wants to get his voice and views out there...

Are there other options?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:41 PM

61. They pay more than the average American majestic

I don't subscribe to the notion that having served in congress makes one a superior life form. I see no reason why Kucinich couldn't get an honest job like the rest of us.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:49 PM

68. Kucinich enjoys a good debate.

He's been Fox many times. Each time I saw him he stuck to his guns . His cool methodological way of explaining himself earns the credit of all. I'd listen to his views before we can say , he sold out. He's been a man of conviction. It's too early a call to say he won't have a heated discussion with O'Reilly and not sell out. If he does , it will be his first .

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Response to cyclezealot (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:28 PM

117. Yeah, I feel we will hear more crickets from conservatives on fox noise with Kucinich giving them

 

Facts.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:22 PM

106. and of course, Kucinich NEEDS a 6 figure income

unlike the people he claims to stand up for.

He was in Congress for 16 years.

For which he was paid $2.4 million dollars.

And he has written some books.

And he gets a pension.

But nah, he didn't sell out or anything.

He's 66, having made far more money over the last 16 years than most Americans make. He has a pension better than most Americans have. He shouldn't need to sell out.

Hopefully, he is only on Fox trying, against all odds, to educate some part of the public.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #106)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:48 PM

125. ^^ this ^^

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:16 PM

2. The real scandal is that he's a turncoat and he deserves all the shit they give him at FAUX. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:30 PM

8. What???

Dear Comrade - surely you're not serious! Mr. Kucinich needs make a living, right? Perhaps he'll be a strong progressive presence on Fox. He may well make points which could break through the thick skulls of Faux viewers, a tall order, but possible. Let's hope he isn't trotted out for a few minutes, late at night so Fox can falsely claim "See, we really are
fair and balanced." He's smart and principled enough to hand "O'Really?" his head more often than not. I'm optimistic...

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

22. Fox 'news" is a GOP propaganda station. Kucinich helps them look like they're "fair and balanced".

I believe this is why so much is being said about his employment on Fox; he is being paid to help them look objective and he will be living a lie. Principles? Bullshit. He checked them at the door on his way out of the US House.

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:21 PM

27. I'm not so optimistic ...

that Kucinich will be able to break through the noise. He will, from the gate, be seen as a "left wing nut-job." Regardless of his point, he will be clowned ... and his penchant for excitability won't help.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:47 PM

66. He's there for two reasons

1 - as you say, he'll be their example of the left-wing nut job. He'll have his 5 minutes on O'Reilly, and then Fox will have the next 23 hours & 55 minutes to make him look like a fool with selective editing and half-truth responses where Kucinich can't respond.

2 - he'll be front & center when they need a Democrat to criticize Obama.

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:22 PM

28. Oh Puh-leeze! For Dennis to lend credibility to Fox as a "news outlet" is disgraceful, and if he...

had half the integrity many of his true believers claim he has, he'd be as ashamed of himself as I am. I always knew Dennis was a self promoting jackass, the issues were always secondary to his quest for fame.

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:21 PM

52. I'll bet you weren't expecting that sort of response!

da Kootch is going to do fine wherever he lands. I think you're right, that he'll be a strong progressive voice on Fox--but only for a very short while, I suspect. When he starts winning points, mixing it up with the show hosts, I think he'll find his opinions significantly less in demand, compared to the Bob Bechtel/Susan Estrich/Juan Williams types who tone down their points and pull their punches in order to keep pulling down a paycheck.

As far as this thread goes: trust me, anyone who calls Dennish Kucinich a sell-out is a person whose opinions you can safely ignore.

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:43 PM

62. Why not work as a substitute teacher

And work toward certification, or work for a non-profit. He chose to prostitute himself.

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Response to liam_laddie (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:43 PM

130. He does NOT need to make a living.

Where did that 2.5 million dollars go? Where does his pension go? I'm not angry at the guy because I never idolized him but I think it's stretching it a bit to think it's somehow 'noble' to go anywhere near Fox News.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:35 PM

56. Oh please, get over yourself.

Kucinich is no turncoat.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:47 PM

65. Whatever you want to call him

He is irrelevant. No one who works for Fox is worth listening to.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:22 PM

105. How about the many Democrats who appear on Fox?

There are many Democrats, mostly Third Way Democrats, being interviewed on Fox all the time. Should we find them just as irrelevant?

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #105)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:27 PM

108. They are irrelevant

What do any of them have to do with the party or liberal politics anymore? Nothing. Dick Morris, Alan Combs--former Dems who mean nothing anymore. Fox is where Democrats go to die.

FYI, being interviewed is not the same as drawing a salary from Fox. I shouldn't have to point out that obvious fact.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:41 PM

111. I'm talking about Democratic congressional members

There are many who appear on Fox...as an example, just Google Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Fox News. Shall we deem her irrelevant as well? Hmmm?

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #111)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:48 PM

113. I find it irritating when people don't read a post

Before deciding to disagree. AS I SAID, there is a difference between appearing on a network and drawing a salary from it. Kucinich will e a paid commentator, which the OP believes to be justified because K deserves to be rich by virtue of having served in congress. All of the so-called Dems on Fox who are paid talking heads are toothless sycophants. The role they fill is to make Democrats look incompetent and out touch.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #113)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:56 PM

114. You also SAID this...

What do any of them have to do with the party or liberal politics anymore?


Would you say Steny has a lot to do with the party of liberal politics? He loves appearing on Fox giving his opinion (just like DK will) but to you, that's somehow different because of a pay check? I hardly see DK as a pushover. Perhaps your bias is getting in the way.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:12 PM

115. This is absurd

He will be a paid talking head, get it? That is who I was talking about, not the odd person they interview in a hurricane or on any other subject.

I get you have mad love for Kucinich and believe he can do no wrong. I'm happy for you. Spend your days and nights glued to Fox. You obviously already spend a great deal of time watching it, so knock yourself out.

Yes, I am "biased" against Fox. I'm a Democrat, posting on a Democratic site. Plus I hate crap that pretends to be news. If you mean biased against K, this is the longest period of time I've ever spent thinking about him. He's never done anything to make it on my radar sufficient for me to form an opinion. I don't know of any legislation he's championed that improved the lives of Americans. If you do, I welcome becoming informed. Others in the thread couldn't answer my question.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:37 PM

59. Until we see what he does on Fox

it's not clear that he's a turncoat. He may very well be a whipping boy on Fox, much like Alan Colmes, and then either he'll be ignored by all, or he'll leave to work somewhere else.

I'm not sure even he knows what will turn out.

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Response to adieu (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:09 PM

102. Hear hear.

He might not know exactly what he's getting into.
But he's fully aware that he is getting into something.
This might just be educational.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:39 PM

60. the turncoats are the so-called democrats that shat on DK at every opportunity

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Response to frylock (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:50 PM

69. absolutely. n/t

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Response to frylock (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:55 PM

73. Dennis just serves as a convenient avenue for the

3rd way 'dems' to use as cover for their covert attacks against anyone or anything "Liberal". It's 'the liberal' they despise, but they can't exactly just come out and say that on a supposedly 'progressive' site, so they need a vehicle to deliver their canned poutrage...and Dennis has been a favorite go-to for them for quite some time.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:33 PM

98. Huh?


If you're thinking he's gonna tow some sort of line,
not bloody likely.
He won't last long though. I don't think they're gonna
get the crazy lefty they want.And truth don't pay the bills
on the right.

"Two things about Dennis have never changed," said Jack Schulman, a Harvard-educated lawyer who worked in the beleaguered Kucinich administration. "One, he is absolutely honest and you never have to wonder whether he's taken a position because someone bought him off. Two, he's committed to working people."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0123-04.htm

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:20 PM

3. I should think he could find less odious employment

than working for Fox. They will set him up and use him as an example of the "crazy" liberal and/or a critic of Obama from the left, and in any event he will not benefit at all except for getting a paycheck for awhile. He may think he can persuade some Fox viewers, but that's a pipe dream - Fox has become so extreme that few persuadable people even watch it any more. He won't last long and his reputation will take a big hit in the meantime.

I just can't believe he's unable to get some kind of good job that doesn't involve rubbing shoulders with the lowest sorts of "journalists" in the US. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas...

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:21 PM

4. The "real scandal of Kucinich working for Fox"

is that people are now trying to justify: why Fox? Give Fox a chance?

What happened to Fox needs to be destroyed? It's not a news organization, it's pure propaganda.

Kucinich is doing exactly what Murdoch hoped, giving his despicable network a life line.


"If we want our liberal representatives to not be corrupted we need to take care of them in their retirement."

Damn! That's a hell of a backhanded attempt to justify this move.

Ick!





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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:23 PM

5. The real scandal isnt that liberals arent taken care of

The scandal is how the conservatives are taken care of by corporate money after losing office.

They are corrupted by that support.

As far as Kucinich, I dont blame him for working for a living now that he's out of office.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:28 PM

7. Yeah,

"As far as Kucinich, I dont blame him for working for a living now that he's out of office. "

...they all have to eat.

Evan Bayh Drops the Other Shoe
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/06/evan-bayh-drops-other-shoe-0

It's good to know that this is now acceptable.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:43 PM

10. signing up with a private equity firm and then Fox News

Its not Fox that bothers me, its the cashing in on political connections to enrich the Wall St folks that bothers me.

Thats not what Kucinich has done.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:47 PM

11. "Its not Fox that bothers me"

Yeah, they're fair and balanced, right?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

50. Hardly

More like entertainment for the simple minded.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:24 PM

6. He should at least be making a modest retirement

His pension from Congress should be $47,238 a year by my calculator, figure he could be drawing another $20,000 probably from Social Security but his salary at Fox probably cancels that out. It's not like he just got booted out of a $174,000 a year job and was left penniless. I'm sure he will be fine.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:43 PM

9. I've never heard of a former Congressperson living under a bridge.

Maybe I missed it.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

13. yeah because they end up selling out to corps

which I guess is AOK as long as it isn't Fox.

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Response to dsc (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:55 PM

15. They're usually quieter and less obvious about the selling out

You know, go and backslap with some of their old pals still in Congress, do a little lobbying.

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Response to dsc (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:58 PM

17. "I guess is AOK as long as it isn't Fox."

Are you saying selling out is OK as long as it's Fox?

I mean, this is truly bizarre. People went from screaming "DLC sellouts" to peddling the merits of selling out to Fox.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:11 PM

23. Given the choice

I'll take Fox since his voting record was apparently not affected. I would prefer that MSNBC or some think tank on our side had hired him.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:00 PM

101. Selling out?

Is that just taking their money.or do you think
he'll be seduced by the Dark Side?
Anyway,I want to see how it goes.
Then we can condemn him.But you might be surprised.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:57 PM

16. Is that why Democrats go into public service?

To cash in their chips at the end of the day (like republicans)?

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Response to sadbear (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:10 PM

86. If you don't give them what they want...

they go work for Faux News, I guess.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:02 PM

18. The REAL scandal is that so many supposed "Liberals"...

....are using this as another vehicle to attack one of the most stalwart defender of Liberal values we have had in the last 20 years.

I would ask them,
What exactly is your problem with Dennis going into the Lion's Den and preaching Traditional Liberal Values?

Are you pissed that he didn't disappear after he was pushed out of office, but has found another avenue to speak Truth to Power?
I'll bet O'Reilly gives him more time to discuss his values and policies than he was given by the Democratic Party at the 2008 "debates".

FOX has also hired openly gay liberal activist Sally Kohn as a contributor.
Are you going to attack her too?


"The grumblers were picking up on a strategy that has been under way for some time — a “course correction,” as Fox chief Roger Ailes put it last fall — with the network distancing itself from the tea party cheerleading that characterized the first two years of President Barack Obama’s presidency. Lately, Fox has increasingly promoted its straight-news talent in the press and conducted some of the toughest interviews and debates of the Republican primary season. Just last week, it hired the openly gay liberal activist Sally Kohn as a contributor.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72825.html#ixzz2IGC5ODsk


"At Fox News, a Liberal Pundit Finds the Spotlight"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/business/media/sally-kohn-liberal-pundit-is-in-the-spotlight-at-fox.html?_r=0


Why is it OK for these Democrats to appear at FOX?







Personally, I am delighted by this news,
and wish Dennis The Best in using this new platform to inject Liberal Ideas and Policy into the National Debate.
He is fearless, and will continue to speak the truth at FOX or anywhere.
I am glad he will be reaching a broader audience.
He speaks for this old, mainstream-center FDR/LBJ Pro-UNION, Working Class Liberal Democrat.

"Truth is portable. You can take it anywhere and it'll always be good."
(Someone else said that earlier, and I forgot where.
So whoever, thank you for stating in two sentences what it took me a whole post to say.)



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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

20. After screaming that others are "DLC shills," you're now saying they're "liberals"?

All because you've decided that Fox Noise is now worth watching?

It's interesting that you're trying to justify Fox by comparing Kucinich to the DLC Clintons. Not only that, you're falsely equating interviews with being a paid contributor to Fox.

Admit it, this is a sellout move by Kucinich, and stop trying to justify Fox Noise.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:23 PM

29. More of the same double standard drivel.

And since you used quotation marks around "DLC shills",
and cited ME as the source of that quotation,
I openly challenge YOU to cite the link where I used THAT specific quotation,
or admit that you just make stuff up to post at DU.

I deny that I ever called Bill or Hillary a "DLC Shill".

After screaming that others are "DLC shills", you're now saying they're "liberals"
Quotation posted by ProSense in post#20

Please provide the source material for your quote,
or receive a Big Red F.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:38 PM

37. It was a generic term

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2081580
DLC, Third Way, same difference.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1897167

Be careful, that's Kucinich's new employer, the guy who owns the station you now deem worth watching.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:46 PM

41. No, Mam. Despite your attempt to equivocate,

quotation marks are NEVER generic.
They have a specific, well defined purpose, and YOU have used a fabricated quote to attack me for partisan gain.
What you did is NOT OK.
What you did is NOT generic.
I deny I ever posted those words on DU.

You either produce the source material for your quote,
or offer an apology and a retraction.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:49 PM

42. You can't be serious? Focus on your new found desire to watch Fox. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:58 PM

45. I AM serious.

I believe it is NOT OK to just make stuff,
and post is as fact on DU...or anywhere,
especially if you are attempting to discredit a member of DU with whom you have a disagreement.
Fabricating a false quote and attributing it to a member of DU is especially offensive,
and merits a retraction and an apology.

I am directly accusing YOU of the above infraction.

Produce the source material for your quote,
or apologize and retract your fabrication.

I guess it is a values thing.
Do you have any?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:18 PM

51. I believe you're doing a bit of obfuscation. It's OK though

I understand why you want to shift focus from your new found love for Fox.

Maybe Kucinich could speak out about media consolidation and call out Murdoch.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:34 PM

55. Your attempted weaseling is noted, and the challenge repeated:

I believe it is NOT OK to just make stuff up,
and post it as fact on DU...or anywhere,
especially if you are attempting to discredit a member of DU with whom you have a disagreement.
Fabricating a false quote and attributing it to a member of DU is especially offensive,
and merits a retraction and an apology.

I am directly accusing YOU of the above infraction.

Produce the source material for your quote,
or apologize and retract your fabrication.

I guess it is a values thing.
Do you have any?


As much as I dislike what you stand for, or more correctly, the things you won't stand for,
I would never stoop so low as to invent false quotes,
and then post them them in a transparent, dishonest, and dishonorable attempt to discredit your position,
as you have done,
and are currently defending.

The easiest and most honorable way forward at this point is to either post your source material,
or admit to a mistake and offer an apology.



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Response to bvar22 (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:36 PM

57. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2210018

As much as I dislike what you stand for, or more correctly, the things you won't stand for,
I would never stoop so low as to invent false quotes,
and then post them them in a transparent, dishonest, and dishonorable attempt to discredit your position,
as you have done,
and are currently defending.

I know, I don't stand for watching Fox Noise.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:53 PM

71. Limiting your sources of information...

...can produce a stilted, distorted, and limited perception of reality.
Does the phrase Living in a Box mean anything to you?
I guess that is OK for those who only follow.

I'm glad the people in charge don't limit their vision.
I tuned in to catch both of these,



....and will tune in to hear Kucinich too.


I believe it is NOT OK to just make stuff up,
and post it as fact on DU...or anywhere,
especially if you are attempting to discredit a member of DU with whom you have a disagreement.
Fabricating a false quote and attributing it to a member of DU is especially offensive,
and merits a retraction and an apology.

I am directly accusing YOU of the above infraction.

Produce the source material for your quote,
or apologize and retract your fabrication.

I guess it is a values thing.
Do you have any?


As much as I dislike what you stand for, or more correctly, the things you won't stand for,
I would never stoop so low as to invent false quotes,
and then post them them in a transparent, dishonest, and dishonorable attempt to discredit your position,
as you have done,
and are currently defending.

The easiest and most honorable way forward at this point is to either post your source material,
or admit to a mistake and offer an apology.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:32 PM

35. Ssshh! It's quite a shock when you find out your heroes' feet are made of clay, like everyone else.

I'm just amazed at the folks, who are the Democrats' most strident critics, now contorting themselves to justify this move. "Hey, it's Dennis, so I'll give him a pass".

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:13 PM

25. they weren't paid

I think there is a problem when Murdock is paying you. I just think it is less of a problem than if he had gone to work for big oil after supporting big oil in Congress.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:57 PM

76. Fuck that

 

Any like minded progressives, liberals, etc. would never be caught dead on Fox News. One of my favorite videos is when Ed Schultz walked out on Fox And Friends

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:04 PM

81. Your response was well composed,

and reflects the deep thought and consideration you have invested in this controversy.
I will take your opinion under advisement.

I will wait for the facts to emerge before judging whether Kucinich's decision was a bad one or not.
Initially, I am delighted that such a stalwart and consistent spokesperson for the Left
has found an outlet that will reach Millions of Americans.

Cheers!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #81)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:18 PM

91. so what you are saying is to sacrifice substance, and all credibility

 

for the sake of being on a channel that is well documented to deliver propaganda and lie for the enemy right wing.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #91)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:47 PM

124. "sacrifice substance, and all credibility" ??

"...for the sake of being on a channel that is well documented to deliver propaganda and lie for the enemy right wing."





That is a fairly harsh attack on Bill & Hillary, and most of the other Big Name celebrity Democrats.
I'm not willing to go that far,
but you are entitled to your opinion before the actual facts come in.


I know one thing for certain.
Dennis Kucinich will be given more time to discuss Liberal Values and traditional FDR/LBJ Working Class Policies on O'Reilly
than he was given by the Democratic Party during the 2008 Debates.

I fully support anyone
going anywhere
and promoting these policies and values:


*an end to Anti-Labor/Anti-American Working Class "Free Trade"

*Expanding MediCare to ALL Americans
because it is not only easier & better than ACA,
but it is cheaper too

*Ending Foreign Wars for Profit,
slashing Military Spending,
and using the "Peace Dividend" for Jobs, Social Programs, and Infrastructure

*Prosecution for War Criminals, War Profiteers, and Wall Street Crooks

*Initiate a major new program of investment in rural America, putting thousands to work rebuilding invaluable public assets such as schools, hospitals, libraries, swimming pools, and parks. Teachers, doctors, veterinarians, and other important service providers would be offered incentives to work in under-served areas.

*Organized LABOR
"There can be no true corporate accountability unless corporations are accountable to workers. There can be no accountability to workers unless workers' rights are protected."

*Guaranteed Quality Universal Education, Pre-K Through College
graduate Debt FREE

*Raise the Cap on FICA Deductions

*Repeal the Patriot Act

*Break Up Anything that is Too-Big-to-Fail

*End Taxpayer Subsidies to the Richest Corporations in the World

* USA should join the rest of the civilized World in banning Land Mines

*USA should join the rest of the civilized World in the International Criminal Court.





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Hey, maybe THAT is why so many Centrists are upset?







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Response to bvar22 (Reply #124)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:24 PM

128. IMHO, he should be on FSTV

 

That channel NEEDS to grow, because they report the hard truth.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #128)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:36 PM

129. Dennis Kicunich IS a Private Citizen of the United States.

He no longer holds public office,
and is NOT constrained by our opinions or moral judgements.

He can go anywhere he wants to go,
do anything he wants to do,
take any job he can get,
demand whatever compensation he can get,
and speak his mind however and whenever he chooses to do so.

He does not have to abide by any rules, moral judgements, or restrictions ANYONE tries to place upon his behavior, especially anonymous posters at a Political Discussion Website.
He is responsible only to himself
and his wife, but ONLY IF they have agreed to that in their private relationship.

OUR opinions are completely without substance or effect.
NONE, neither Pro nor Con, have ANY weight or merit what-so-ever.

DK is a private citizen.
What is so difficult to under stand about that? ?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:50 PM

132. Then where is the sense of pride

 

This makes no sense as to why we can't be seperate from the right. Sure he can do what he wants, but there are consequences as well. We are in a midst of a war here in this country. But hey, I'm just a political bigot.

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Response to Great Caesars Ghost (Reply #132)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:59 PM

133. "Sure he can do what he wants, but there are consequences as well."

What consequences are those?
Being gossiped about and denigrated by self-appointed Keepers of the Moral Flame on an anonymous Internet Site?

...and you ask, "where is the sense of pride?"

I ask, Where is yours?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:04 PM

82. I agree 100%.

I also wish him the best, and hope that he is able to accomplish what I expect he intends to do---which is to agrue the liberal side of issues. Something that is not heard much on Faux.

I do not think for a minute that Dennis will sell out, or has already. Can't we wait until he becomes a raving right wingnut before we crucify him????

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:52 AM

120. *applause*

You get it. And thank you for explaining it. Well done.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

21. As I posted earlier..."Dennis Kucinich should become a quiet but destructive corporate lobbyist

like most responsible ex-Members of Congress."
‏ - @ZaidJilani via twitter

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:17 PM

26. Russ Feingold became a professor.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:38 PM

38. So?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:41 PM

39. So "destructive corporate lobbyist" or Fox Noise aren't the only options.

If you knew that, my bad.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:59 PM

46. Fox has a stubstantial audience and Democrats appear on the network all the time.

Our foes are regular viewers and this may be an opportunity for some of them to take in some alternative information. It may or may not work out and Kucinich an figure that out for himself. The hysterics about this issue is highly amusing.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:22 PM

94. Feingold had the credentials to be a professor. Kucinich might not.

While I think that taking a job at Fox is distasteful at best, from what I know of Kucinich, he made his choice on what sort of job he would take after congress with a consideration of what his abilities and ambitions would best serve.
He put in over 20 years of public service, which means he was out of the non-politically based career field for that same amount of time. If he felt that being a gadfly on haunches of Roger Ailes' merry band of ignoramuses would match what he wanted to do "after public service", them so be it.

Should he be faced with a narrow choice of either continuing to be a liberal activist voice in the wilderness (and I would almost guarantee that he probably thinks that being on Faux meets that script pretty perfectly...) or, failing that, to withdrawal into an early dignified retirement? He strikes me as being a scrapper, and since the media distortion to the right is a major part of the problem with polarization in this country, going to Faux and showing the captive Faux audience how liberal ideas and policies are really common sense policies may be a fight he sees as worth fighting.

Haele

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:12 PM

24. I just think of FOX money as Hate Money and for DK to cash his check from there is horrible

Fox lives to make old white people angry and scared through the broadcast of lies and hate. For DK to get a job there (for whatever reason) is shameful. He's only going to be made fun of worse than Alan Colmes ever was.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:24 PM

30. Bullshit. He is far from broke.

He doesn't have to do this for the money. It looks like he is determined to tell the truth and there is plenty still to bitch about even with Obama in the White House. So he will be determined to say it, and Faux will be ever so happy coz they have a friggin former Democratic Presidential Runner who is slamming everything Obama does.

Now, he would certainly be slamming everything republicans do to but it's the democrats that now appear to be in power, so it is the democrats he will slam. He will be a Ron Paul. He will not care how much he may hurt the democratic party with his mouth. He will spout on and on and probably secretly hope that he will gain popularity for his "honesty".

In our dream world, we could be proud of him for standing and shouting his principles even whilst in the lair of the enemy, but in the world we have, he will only be causing harm. And I think it is probably all for his own fortune and fame rather than for any desire to help the people.

I wouldn't have believed it. I didn't know of his past history with Faux. I thought he was one of our few incorruptibles.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:14 PM

88. Dennis is NOT a wealthy man

Kucinich had "a net worth of between $2,000 and $32,000, Kucinich is one of Congress's least wealthy members."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dennis_Kucinich

"From $4,007 to $63,000" here on another website:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00003572&year=2010

Why are you saying that he's "far from broke"?

I think DK had lots of options, like teaching or being a commentator in his own
right. This FOX thing does strike me as a bit weird.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:23 PM

107. I guess he can't manage his money very well either then..

Congressional salary for 2013 is $174,000 a year...

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:26 PM

31. Aren't there progressive lobbying firms he could work for?


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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:16 PM

116. Oh yes, let's support that tradition

from Congress to a cush lobbying position. And the beat goes on.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:29 PM

32. I never liked Dennis until now. At least he isn't lobbying for some fucked corporation or Right-wing

cause.

I'm glad he can shout down some of their loons on FAUX.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:15 PM

90. Good point. We certainly did NOT need another Chuck Dodd

... coming back to Congress as a well-healed lobbyst bent on ending internet freedoms,
or otherwise harming the nation.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:30 PM

33. people go where the money is

 

I never thought he was a big champion anyway so it doesn't matter to me.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:31 PM

34. The man's got to work.

I may not approve of Faux Noise. And I don't. But a man's got to be able to work.

It's not our job to "take care of him" after he leaves office. I'm sure DK isn't crazy about working for Fox. I've had jobs I hated too. Had to do 'em to earn a paycheck.

End of the day, it's not my call. Not my business what DK does. A man's got to work.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:32 PM

118. He will be working in support of their lie - that they are "fair and balanced" as they work at their

propaganda for the GOP.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:33 PM

36. We need a liberal infrastructure for US, not to take care of out of work congresspeople...

 

and maybe if we had one, Kucinich would still be in Congress.

I also think that any Democrat who would sign up with Fox isn't worth my concern.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:43 PM

40. You might actually need some policy chops and knowledge to work for a think tank

Probably Mr. Kucinich landed close to his skill set and level.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:53 PM

43. Seriously? We need to bribe them so the other guys don't?

 

If so, we are electing the wrong people. But ultimately it (as always) comes down to wealth. Wealth buys power, wealth buys everything. Which is why excess wealth in the hands of too few will ALWAYS lead to corruption.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:03 PM

48. The OP is holding Democrats to some strange GOP/FOX news standard

It's a goofy op.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:55 PM

44. I'm torn about this

On one hand, if he is forceful with his opinions and can get some progressive facts out there, it may be a good thing. I think Fox is corrupt - but not dumb. They know the face of the country is shifting left. They need to hedge their bets so they don't go completely bankrupt when their viewership starts dying off...

OTOH, just him signing with Fox gives them validity as a 'balanced' ( ) news ( ) organization. He is allowing himself to be used as a prop in a larger narrative driven by corporate interests. Disappointing he would choose that route. Unless he had the foresight to put a clause in his contract that makes my first paragraph possible.

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Response to laundry_queen (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:07 PM

49. I told my husband about Kuicinich gong to FOX and his first response was

that "they got someone from the left to trash the left." I think he's right.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:30 PM

53. Yep.

So disappointed he took that job. He could have found other meaningful work to do.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:13 PM

103. Perhaps

But I don't think trashing the left from the left is always a bad thing - if the 'trashing' is done with good, left wing points trumpeted loudly. It worked to swing Canada further to the left (although some, like here, disagree with the means, even though it worked in the end). It works when the right trashes the right - then the establishment always moves further to the right when that happens - why wouldn't it work the other way around?

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:02 PM

47. Why do you lump him in with Joe Walsh and Alan West?

Kucinich isn't a Republican. You make no sense.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

54. He could've joined a different network.

But he had to join FOX.
Well, I hope he's able to speak "truth to power" like some posters are saying, but we all know how things really work at FOX.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/fox-news-lawsuit-sued-employee-racism-abuse_n_770718.html
Fox News is facing a lawsuit from a former technician who alleges that while at the network, he faced "daily abuse, fear and humiliation" from other employees because of his race, and when he eventually complained, he was fired.

One instance occurred during the 2008 presidential campaign. According to the complaint filed by Harmeen Jones, 32, who is African-American, two of his coworkers said in front of him that they wouldn't feel comfortable having a black president. Jones alleges that one of the men looked at him, saw he was uncomfortable and said, "m I offending your blackness?"

Another example came during the health care debate, when he and his co-workers were working in the "intake room" with screens showing footage from a tea party rally. "his is what happens when you mess with white people's health care," one of the men allegedly told Jones.


Oh wait, there's more!
The complaint alleges that several of the defendants "continually made racist, sexist, and extremely offensive comments throughout the course of every working day. These comments concerned African-Americans, Arabs, Muslims, Hispanics, women, and Jews." Jones also claims he was often told "you look like a gangster" or "like you're ready to shoot someone."

According to Jones, when he tried to speak with other African-American employees at the network, they "told him to keep his head down and not say anything." He claims that he was treated differently -- such as not being allowed to take sick days and being blamed for mistakes he did not have any control over -- and received poor marks on his employee review that were based on reasons that were "factually inaccurate."


Do people think DK will get an honest chance at FOX? Really? You'd trust those snakes to not edit/warp/misinterpret the liberal cause? I'd trust them as much as I'd trust the guy in the creepy white van to offer me a ride from work.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:37 PM

58. Give me a break

He can get an honest job like he rest of us. You act like he s entitled to make big money because he was in the House.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:44 PM

63. Dennis is in his sixties, the age most average workers retire.

How is he going to get an honest job at his age? He's 66 years old.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:54 PM

72. His retirement alone is more than the average salary

He parlayed his connections into this job. He could easily ave found a respectable position at a non-profit. I don't care what he does. Going to Fox is political death. He is completely irrelevant. I'm just wondering how long before he starts lobbying for Monsanto or some nefarious industry group.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #72)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:57 PM

77. I don't think it's time to start kicking him down until we

see what he actually does. The fact is that he has always spoken unpleasant truths and maybe "our side" doesn't always want to hear them. Even if he's on Fox and they use him as a buffoon, he still is going to get a huge audience for what he has to say than he ever would on CNN or MSNBC.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:01 PM

80. Hell will freeze over

Before I Watch that station and contribute one penny in advertising revenue toward the most destructive force against our democracy.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:06 PM

83. I won't watch it either, but I don't think Dennis's purpose

is to preach to the choir. However, since Fox News is on everywhere I go and sometimes I'm watching it unwillingly, let's hope he gets his message out. I really think that's what his purpose is. I will be surprised if it's not.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:46 PM

64. Agree 100%

Kucinich is an American hero!
Let history report it.
Not Faux.

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Response to upi402 (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:56 PM

75. How do you figure that?

What has he accomplished in the House? Inform me. I really don't know. What legislation improving the lives of Amercans did he push through?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:08 PM

84. Ah, the $64,000 question ...

The dedicated Kooch fans are usually the same people who characterize Obama as "pretty words with no real action".

But when asked what actions Kucinich has actually taken, they invariably fall back on his "pretty words" as being indicative of his character - no actual actions necessary.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:48 PM

67. That's a weak excuse

I didn't see Alan Grayson run to Fox when he was kicked out. If Kucinich can truly be bought by money, that is not the kind of representative we want in Washington anyway.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:00 PM

78. That is because Grayson is exceptionally wealthy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson

Grayson made his fortune as the first president of IDT Corporation (International Discount Telecom), which pioneered competition and discount pricing in the long-distance telecommunications industry, and became a $2-billion-a-year Fortune 1000 company.

I don't begrudge him the money but to compare a man who is founding partner of a law firm and who owns a fortune 1000 company to a man whose largest asset is a house in Cleveland is a bit disingenuous.

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Response to dsc (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:20 PM

93. ok that's a valid point

I didn't realize Grayson was that wealthy. He sort of reminds of a Huey Long type politician. I don't know why.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:25 PM

96. I didn't know he was as wealthy as he is

I just thought he had the law firm but didn't know he had the company.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:51 PM

70. FOX has big bucks to spend and Kucinich is an honest voice. He is also a strong MAN, not sell out.

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Response to CarmanK (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:00 PM

79. When Kucinich voted

for health care reform, Jane Hamsher launched a site demanding he return donations.

She called the bill "fascism." (Sound familiar: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022209630)

Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-will-return-money-to-donors/


Kucinich's last vote in Congress was a yes on the fiscal cliff deal.

I appreciated those two votes. Joining Fox is not a good move.



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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:56 PM

74. I'll turn to Fox to see Dennis and I NEVER watch Fox, not even for a minute. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:13 PM

87. Are they trying to bring back their ratings?

...after all, their ratings have been dropping very fast lately.

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Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #87)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:20 PM

92. Dunno. Not even sure when DK starts.

on edit.
Right now!

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:08 PM

85. So Kucinich is working for Faux?

You got to be fucking kidding me? I used to love the man. He once personally responded to an email I sent him back in 2002. There's no whitewashing this. You can't gild this steaming turd. Kucinich working for Faux. Jesus.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:14 PM

89. I don't particularly agree that his being on Fox is a scandal

This doesn't mean he can't start his own think tank, like an "Institute of Peace". I wonder what the length of his contract is? Dennis likes a challenge. Look, he's doing them a favor, not vice versa. Maybe he will be the only shining light on FOX News. A little stroke of truth, every day, for a certain amount of time, just might not be a bad thing. Go Dennis!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:25 PM

95. He has never minced his words

nor shied away from the truth. I don't expect him to start now.

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Response to G_j (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:30 PM

110. That's right...

....Dennis will be Dennis. He's never been a word mincer. If people think he's going over there because he's changing his political stripes, then they can think again. I bet FOX will regret hiring him. As a matter of fact, their ratings might drop as their regular brain-dead watchers are not going to like him one bit.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #110)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:43 PM

112. I don't think he is capable of it.

It's not in his DNA

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:32 PM

97. If anyone thinks Faux are going to allow him to be an unfettered troll on their shows...

...they're deluding themselves.

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Response to Turborama (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:14 PM

104. Yah...but

I think he's gonna go on there and flame out.With a purpose.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:49 PM

99. I watch all three 24/7 cable news channels. ...

in order to form my views on a variety of topics.

For example I often watch The Five on Fox News channel and root for Bob Beckel as he tries to stand up for liberal values against four conservatives. Of course Fox feels four against one is "fair and balanced."

Currently I am watching Anderson Cooper on CNN as I type this reply. I could be watching O'Reilly but I find him to be a bombastic host with an inflated ego. Piers Morgan on CNN appears to be trying to emulate O'Reilly in order to increase his ratings.

I really find Rachel Maddow on MSNBC insightful, informative and extremely intelligent.

I feel I will enjoy watching Kucinich on Fox as he takes on a number of conservative hosts. In the past he struck me as an unusually honest politician with some very interesting views.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:50 PM

100. He should stay home and stay in bed with his super-hot wife. Nt

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:29 PM

109. He found his pay check, and a loofah from O'Reilly.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:44 AM

119. Don't many Faux people end up running for office? Use it as a

means of publicity?
I don't care if he goes there but I think it a bad choice.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:56 AM

121. Tell you what... you take care of them.

Since Dennis Kucinich will never have a year where he doesn't make many times what the average person makes, how about we let these folks fend for themselves, and how about they not go on FOX because they would rather become a carnival geek than go on FOX.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #121)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:05 AM

122. then don't whine when you get only rich congress people

and ones who sell out when they leave.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:45 PM

123. huh. & here I thought he received a pension for life from congress.

am I wrong?

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:51 PM

126. Poooooooor Dennis.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:58 PM

127. Here's another to add to

the list in comment #1

Global Strategy Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022212716


Here's a piece on Kucinich's first appearance on Fox: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/dennis-kucinich-fox-news-oreilly_n_2502043.html

Also posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022212670 (really quiet in that thread)

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:48 PM

131. Dennis Kucinich is a private citizen of the United States.

Last edited Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)

He no longer holds public office,
and is NOT constrained by our opinions or moral judgements.

He can go anywhere he wants to go,
do anything he wants to do,
take any job he can get,
demand whatever compensation he can get,
and speak his mind however and whenever he chooses to do so.

He does not have to abide by any rules beyond those specified by The Law.
He is not subject to moral judgements, or restrictions ANYONE tries to place upon his behavior, especially self anointed Keepers of the Moral Flame on an anonymous Political Discussion Website
that would be better served by attending to the log in their own eye.

OUR opinions are completely without substance, weight, or effect.
They amount to less than gossip.


If Dennis Kucinich can obtain a high salary from Fox News,
then More-Power-to-Him.
It is no longer ANY of OUR business.

If some here are pissed off that DK has landed a job at FOX,
that is YOUR problem, not DK's.
Live with it,
let it eat you up,
or let it go.
Your Choice.

Ain't it great to be an American!






You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:03 PM

134. He's had a good salary, has a good pension, and health care for life

He has contacts everywhere.

He does not have to whore himself out.

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