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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:25 PM

Longtime no see DU: Your very own wndycty was on the BBC yesterday talking guns. . .

Sorry in advance for the self promotion:

I hope everyone is well. I just wanted to check in, say hi and share my appearance on the BBC from yesterday in which I was teamed with some right wing nut job to discuss guns:

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Reply Longtime no see DU: Your very own wndycty was on the BBC yesterday talking guns. . . (Original post)
wndycty Jan 2013 OP
Evergreen Emerald Jan 2013 #1
malaise Jan 2013 #2
greatauntoftriplets Jan 2013 #3
wndycty Jan 2013 #7
madrchsod Jan 2013 #42
Scuba Jan 2013 #4
Melinda Jan 2013 #5
wndycty Jan 2013 #8
ellisonz Jan 2013 #48
frazzled Jan 2013 #6
blm Jan 2013 #9
wndycty Jan 2013 #14
Politicalboi Jan 2013 #10
UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #11
KamaAina Jan 2013 #12
Number23 Jan 2013 #16
Snarkoleptic Jan 2013 #24
Mass Jan 2013 #13
Cleita Jan 2013 #15
The Wielding Truth Jan 2013 #17
ieoeja Jan 2013 #18
derby378 Jan 2013 #30
ieoeja Jan 2013 #38
derby378 Jan 2013 #39
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #34
cate94 Jan 2013 #19
wndycty Jan 2013 #23
JI7 Jan 2013 #20
JI7 Jan 2013 #21
wndycty Jan 2013 #22
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #36
Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #49
AllyCat Jan 2013 #25
Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #26
babylonsister Jan 2013 #27
ProSense Jan 2013 #28
kentuck Jan 2013 #29
wndycty Jan 2013 #37
patrice Jan 2013 #31
snooper2 Jan 2013 #32
toby jo Jan 2013 #33
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #35
noiretextatique Jan 2013 #40
hfojvt Jan 2013 #41
Kahuna Jan 2013 #43
jonthebru Jan 2013 #44
Berserker Jan 2013 #45
Berserker Jan 2013 #47
MADem Jan 2013 #46

Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:32 PM

1. Excellent job

Your point regarding their unwillingness to talk about what will work is spot on. There are murders everyday. Does that mean that we should not have laws against murder, because they don't stop all murder?

Good work!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

2. Applause

and rec

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:39 PM

3. Good for you!

Just the other day I was thinking that I hadn't seen you around in ages.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:43 PM

7. We need to have a Chicago get together soon. . .

. . .how have you been.

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Response to wndycty (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:47 PM

42. yes we do ...!

i think the last one i went to was at a bar with sidewalk tables somewhere on the northside.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:40 PM

4. Nicely done, you bested her easily....

... although that bar isn't set very high.

Great job comparing reaction to 9/11. Drives the point home.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:41 PM

5. ltns back at cha! Don't be a stranger, it's *good* to see a legacy Duer again. :-)

Off to watch your appearance, and tyia!!

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Response to Melinda (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:45 PM

8. A legacy DUer? I am flattered

I think you will see more of me on DU. The combination of social media and frustration with the tone of some on DU made it easy to avoid DU, but just visiting to post that link bought back how much I love DU.

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Response to wndycty (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:28 AM

48. Welcome Back!

Politics on facebook is cool (I'm one of your friends), but the arguments on DU are more entrenched and well-fought.

Also, that poor woman was bonkers -

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:42 PM

6. You were superb!

What an excellent spokesperson for our convictions, and for sensible measures.

Kudos from a fellow Chicagoan!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:54 PM

9. Hey, old buddy - it's so GREAT to see you again.

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Response to blm (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:12 PM

14. Good seeing you as well

I hope to spend more time here.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:57 PM

10. Great job

That woman was crazy. Is she ready to pay teachers hazard pay? Is she ready to buy the guns for them, and the training classes? How many teachers are having second thoughts of even teaching with all this craziness.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:05 PM

11. Nicely done.

 

I love their argument that gun control won't work because there are too many guns.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:09 PM

12. Awesome! In other gun-related DU news, Will Pitt is on Big Ed's radio show Monday at 12:30 EST

discussing his Truthout article "Selling the Shooting".

Alas, Big Ed is nowhere to be found in the Bay Area.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:08 PM

16. Cool! I love that so many of the president's supporters on DU are front and center in the media

Putting their money where their mouths are, so to speak.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:30 PM

24. You can catch his radio show live here...

www.chicagosprogressivetalk.com

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:09 PM

13. A real nut. You did a good job against her.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:02 PM

15. Good to see you again.

Don't stay away so long this time. Will play the video later when I have time, but wanted to say hello.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:22 PM

17. You did a great job! Thanks for representing the sane side of the USA.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:30 PM

18. One quibble.


She said, "Chicago has the highest murder rate."

No, New Orleans has the highest murder rate in the nation. They (and Detroit) have nearly three times the murder rate Chicago had last year. Chicago doesn't even come close to the highest murder rate. And that is using last year's fluke upturn.

Oh, and by the way, New Orleans has allowed Concealed Carry for a very long time now.

This is a big lie that I never see challenged. If you ever get a chance like this again, get the FBI stats for 2012 first and be prepared to rip them a new one!


Chicago doesn't even break into the top 5. Probably doesn't even break into the top 10. I tried to compile an exhaustive list, but found a disturbing trend.

I had no problem finding the number of murders in DC, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, or Boston.

I could not find any published number of homicides for Houston, Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, or Orlando.

Odd that.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:37 AM

30. Dallas homicides have been trending downward about 10% a year for five years running

The exact numbers are compiled by the city council's Public Safety Commission. We do have anomalies, but our police force appears to confirm the trend - we even went for almost an entire month without a single homicide back in 2009:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Sees-Historic-Homicide-Free-23-Days-57940902.html

Not bad for a city of 1.5 million that has concealed-carry permits and more gun shows than you can count. This tells me we're doing something right. (And most of our county officials are Democrats. Dallas County is an oasis of purplish-blue in a sea of red.)

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Response to derby378 (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:16 PM

38. And Chicago homicides has been trending downward as well.


Not bad for a city of 2.7 million that has no carry permits and no legal handgun purchases since the 1960s. This means we're doing something right. And ALL of our county officials are Democrats. Chicago is an oasis of bright blue in a sea of purplish-red.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:39 PM

39. What are your figures like?

I'd be interested in taking a looksee.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:37 AM

34. Another quibble.

The shooter at the Gabby Giffords meet/greet was not taken down by armed resistance. The one guy who has been identified that was present, was inside the Walgreens when the shooting occurred. He couldn't see the shooting at all. By the time he got outside and could see the scene, the shooter was already down, someone was sitting on him, and someone else was holding the gun he used.

The THEN proceeded to order the guy holding the gun to drop it, and he did, and then he went in and helped sit on the shooter.

No one drew a gun in response, because there was no one there with a gun, apparently. The guy in the Walgreens might as well have been a hundred miles away, for all the relevance it had to the actual shooting.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:38 PM

19. Nice job!

You made some very good points.

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Response to cate94 (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:28 PM

23. Thanks

:kick:

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:40 PM

20. you did really well, made great points, glad you brought up 9/11, that lady was an idiot

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:44 PM

21. that lady's position is you can't stop it all 100 percent of the time so we shouldn't do anything

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:27 PM

22. Exactly. . .she was crazy

I wanted to interrupt her so bad.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:48 PM

36. It's ridiculous.

I always ask in response, why have any laws then?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:29 PM

49. That's exactly what it sounded like...

It'd be like doing away with all DUI laws because it doesn't prevent all drunken driving.

Well, no, but you know what's happened since we've enforced stricter laws when it's come to driving inebriated?



Yup! Fewer and fewer accidents!

I wonder why?

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:13 AM

25. Well done! You made salient points and sounded reasonable even on your own

She made you sound even MORE intelligent than you already are. The NRAs plan is always more guns. I think people are getting wise to this.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:18 AM

26. Bravo!

I didn't know you worked in PR...Now you can help me finally break out of this shit job I'm working

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:22 AM

27. Hi, and great to see you back!

That woman will never change her mind, but thank you for being so logical and sensible!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:26 AM

28. Loved it!

Bravo!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:28 AM

29. Welcome back, wndycty!

You are the same person that tried to convince me that a skinny kid named Barack Obama could be elected President of the United States at the same time the country was told to hate a terrorist named "Osama". I tried to tell you that the name alone was too close to the same for a person named Obama to ever be elected. But you wouldn't listen!

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Response to kentuck (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:16 PM

37. I am hard headed like that. . .

. . .its good to be back.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:48 AM

31. Good work!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:52 AM

32. was this recorded with a spoon?

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:29 AM

33. Thanks windy. ALOT!

I've made the 911 comparison to gun nuts, too, it stops them for a sec at least. These folks are emotional thinkers, we just have to keep hammering.

"I think we just need more arms to protect ourselves" She thinks like a cartoon character.

Hey lady, I think we need to put all you gun nuts in one state and let you have at it. Leave the rest of us be.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:46 PM

35. Good job!

and that lady, lol.
total failbot.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:06 PM

40. you were great...and the gun nut's solution: more guns

yep...the way to reduce gun violence is to arm everyone.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:17 PM

41. didn't you get a job with the DNC or the Obama campaign or something?

and now a TV star

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:13 PM

43. You are a wonder!!!

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:27 AM

44. We can do it!

Personally I am concerned about the large number of people who fatefully feel that nothing can be done about the unregulated firearm industry. Who feel the lobbyists with their bribes and threats to elected politicians have the upper hand. They feel terrible and actually suffer with a form of Post Traumatic Stress every time an incident like the Sandy Hook Massacre occurs. The laws can be changed. The mentally ill and career criminals can be prevented from obtaining guns. But people must wake up and line up their ducks. It is not a battle of semantics regarding words like assault or magazine or clip size. It is a situation that the founders of this Nation would frown at that we are putting ourselves through. Its frickiní nuts that we donít get control of this problem.
Study up on the history of the 2nd amendment and the history of the NRA. An honest study may change your paradigm. The Sandy Hook murderers Mother owned 3 guns, a lot of good it did for her.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:49 AM

45. Smaller magizines?

 

From what I have read it took 20 min. for the police to respond to Sandy Hook. A single shot rifle could have done lots of damage to a no gun zone in 20 min.
The attack on guns is just that and attack on guns. We need to do something to stop these horrible crimes from happening. But it's not about the guns or the mags. It's about the people who do this.
Having a AWB and lower limits on mags won't do shit. Do you really think it matters what laws are in place for the lunatics?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #45)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:40 AM

47. Or lets say a shot gun

 


No mag no assault weapon.
This guy can shoot 8 rounds in less than 5 seconds. that's 1,920 rounds in 20 min.
My point here is it's not the gun it's the shooter.

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Response to wndycty (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:37 AM

46. Superb job by you--that woman was a whining dolt. Nt

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