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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:35 PM

behold, our domestic terrorists:

One man's Terrorist is another man's Patriotic Freedom Fighter

They seem to think they can impose any indignity and infringment they want without repercussion, because the President of the United States is one of them, he’s the leader of the nation’s military, and he can therefore win any battle against America’s freedom fighters who might rise up to restore their constitutional rights currently under assault.

They don’t understand asymmetrical warfare in the slightest, much less how it would be waged here. Let me give you just one small example of how a lone wolves or small teams can strike well beyond their size against a near defenseless leviathan.

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Were an angry group of disenfranchised citizens to target in a strategic manner the substations leading to a city or geographic area—say, Albany, for example—they could put the area in the dark for as long as it took to bring the substations back online. Were they committed enough, and spread their attacks out over a wide enough area, perhaps mixing in a few tens of dozens of the residential transformers found every few hundred yards along city streets, they could overwhelm the utility companies ability to repair the damage being caused or law enforcement’s ability to stop them. The government could perhaps assign a soldier or cop for every transformer, substation and switch, but they’d run out of men long before they ran out of things they need guarded. Not that the government could even guarantee to actually protect the transformers they were guarding; a residential transformer is a big, stationary target, and the substation transformers and switches and other equipment even bigger targets. Residential transformers are easily “touched” by even a moderately competent deer hunter from hundreds of yards away, perhaps separated by roads, subdivisions, swamps or streams. Substations are a dense area target easily struck from a half-mile or more away.

Meanwhile, the lone wolves and small teams would simply shift to other targets of opportunity left unguarded by an overwhelmed and outmatched government force, of which there are many.

How many days with partial power or no power, how many nights in the dark, would it take before the local economy collapsed in the targeted area? Insurgents could cripple a city, region, or state, without ever firing a bullet at another human being.

Progressives seeking to undermine the Constitution seem to think they hold all the cards. I would warn them that they are not remotely prepared for what will happen if they attempt to cross Constitutional boundaries and natural rights.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/

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phantom power Jan 2013 OP
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #1
patrice Jan 2013 #4
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #5
rrneck Jan 2013 #17
patrice Jan 2013 #18
rrneck Jan 2013 #23
rustydog Jan 2013 #2
MineralMan Jan 2013 #3
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #6
jmg257 Jan 2013 #7
MineralMan Jan 2013 #8
rustydog Jan 2013 #9
patrice Jan 2013 #10
patrice Jan 2013 #12
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #11
patrice Jan 2013 #13
patrice Jan 2013 #14
galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #16
patrice Jan 2013 #19
patrice Jan 2013 #20
patrice Jan 2013 #21
patrice Jan 2013 #26
jmg257 Jan 2013 #24
patrice Jan 2013 #25
n2doc Jan 2013 #15
sanatanadharma Jan 2013 #22
n2doc Jan 2013 #27
wandy Jan 2013 #28

Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:41 PM

1. If you start from the fact that the military industrial complex and arms manufacturers want

 

permanent war budgets, then their actions to create terrorists abroad and now within the US makes perfect sense.

Them, and the prison-industrial complex (private prisons funded by our tax dollars, advertising 90% occupancy rates to investors).

Add the NDAA's indefinite detention provision without trial or representation and you've got a perfect picture. Terrorists = profits! So: Terrorists are everywhere! Even if we have to create them!

http://www.bing.com/search?q=private+prison+90%25+occupancy&form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:48 PM

4. +1!!! = it's circular, so now, HOW (???) to keep from playing THEIR game. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:53 PM

5. Don't feed the trolls = encroaching police state. Feed the trolls = quickly encroaching police state

 

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Response to patrice (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:26 PM

17. Take their money. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:40 PM

18. Goodness knows they've taken enough real value from all of us without paying for it & for whatever

our mistakes were in that history, enabling them with our ignorance or dishonesty, that does not justify thievery.

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Response to patrice (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:44 PM

23. It justifies taxes.

The MIC exists largely to defend corporate profits. At the expense of the rest of us of course. They're not paying enough to be part of our culture. Make 'em pay. Money is power. Tax 'em to bring their power back down to a reasonable level.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:41 PM

2. Holy shit! Share what you are smoking!

You don't have to worry about the power company, you have law enforcement...national Guard...the united states military and those much-feared black helicopters.

if you think your rebellion against transformers wouldn't be quashed shortly after a Governor's declaration of emergency andmobilization of the state national guard, you have been watching too many re-runs of Red Dawn bucky.

I forgot to add: i've been in planning meetings (like for the dreaded 2000 catastrophe I mean JOKE) But, locl police and Uncle Sam were prepared to shoot our 2nd Amendment asses right off the planet.

But keep smoking that pipe.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:42 PM

3. Now we know where to start looking if something like that happens.

Also at those commenting on that blog post.

Morons, one and all.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:57 PM

6. True, Sir: If Such People Lived In the World They Imagine They Live In, They Would Be Dead In Swamps

Unknown, unmarked, unmourned....

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:57 PM

7. "if they attempt to cross Constitutional boundaries and natural rights"...

"Were they committed enough..."

Yep.
"if only if only
the wood pecker sighs
the bark on the trees was as soft as
the skies
as the wolf waits below
hungry and lonely
he cries to the moo-oo-oon
if only if only"


Seems the lights are still on in NY...so when are these dramatic 'lone wolves' gonna bite?

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:58 PM

8. They will strike when Frito Lay stops making Cheetos.

That would be intolerable.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:59 PM

9. Love it!

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:04 PM

10. Just because language can be deconstructed, that does NOT mean that terrorist = freedom fighter, no

matter how any given individual(s) may hold that semantic position, they are NOT NECESSARILY correct/valid empirically in the consequences of that position for others, nor for themselves.

Phenomena are whatever they are, no matter how valid or invalid our references to them are. This is why terrorist = freedom fighter, and, yes, even terrorist =/= freedom fighter, isn't/aren't absolutely valid and the differences in those sets of conditions in a given circumstance is not something that we can ignore when it comes to the ultimate violence made possible by guns, because whatever happens especially with guns, one way or another, affects ALL of us by the nature of the means, the violence, by which whatever ends are brought about. That is, those gun-effects violate my/our rights to CHOOSE what happens to us, whether we are shot or not, and, no matter how gun-effects turn out from anyone else's perspective, that violation of my/our choice negates freedoms in other systemic levels.

For example, a child cannot walk down a hall in a school without the specter of an armed guard and ALL that implies hovering forever in her memory, whether the guard ever has to do anything or not, AND THAT FACT HAS NOT-INCONSEQUENTIAL PHYSICAL EFFECTS FOREVER AFTERWARD.

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Response to patrice (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:07 PM

12. IOW, just saying shit doesn't make it so. What IS so, is so and it would be helpful to everyone

on all sides of the question to have more respect for that, by beginning with a QUESTION, instead of a pre-defined and MOST likely essentially EMPTY conclusion.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:07 PM

11. I'll be on the side of the US military when they put these lunatics down...

 

And will enjoy every minute of the bullet-ridden-bright-yellow-blood-stained "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flags.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:16 PM

13. I can't say that's entirely an invalid position, given the NRA's PROMOTION of armed conflicts abroad

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Response to patrice (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:17 PM

14. + the fact that we are currently the POLICEMEN to the WORLD & that ALSO is what the NRA wants. nt

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:23 PM

16. Suspend Posse Comitatus for your preffered ideology. Sweet.

 

May your chains rest lightly.

The authoritarianism here is seriously turning me on! All this mob rule gets me hot!

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:42 PM

19. Not ideology. Actions. Including expressed intent to kill for guns. nt

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:50 PM

20. & Why isn't it apparent that what you just said works both ways. Just because someone claims to

be acting on the behalf of some ideology that they have labeled "Liberty" does not make that so, especially it does not make it so for everyone else and if everyone else's rights to life, (what they think of as) liberty, and the pursuit of happiness do not matter, then the ideologue who threatens the rest of us in the name of a label known as "Liberty" is operating in PRIVILEGE, not a right, an UN-EARNED PRIVILEGE and it doesn't take one ounce of ideology to talk about those very concrete and OPPRESSIVE effects of that person's, and his/her cohort's, ideologically driven privilege.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:55 PM

21. Did I give anyone permission to engage in violent "Posse Comitatus" for me? NO, ergo it's PRIVILEGE.

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Response to patrice (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:06 PM

26. that is, PRIVILEGE CREATED BY GUNS. nt

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:00 PM

24. Posse Comitatus is a pipe dream...

The Warner Act of 2007 took care of that, the latest version isn't any better.

`Sec. 333. Interference with State and Federal law
`The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other :means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it--
`(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, :privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and :the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that :right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
`(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes :the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have :denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.'.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:02 PM

25. "preferred ideology"? You appear to be one of those persons who claims PREFERENCE

based upon your assumptions about how there is one and only one IDEA called Liberty and you own that ideology in its entirety so absolutely that you claim the privilege of determining what violence the rest of us should endure directly or indirectly in service to YOUR ideology.

I will not dispute your right to believe what you want to believe about what YOU call "Liberty", but I would prefer that you do so more honestly than you are.

If you honestly held your putative belief in Liberty, instead of DEPENDING (like a slave) upon the rest of us to make it real for you by accepting the consequences of violence without choice & only as you define them, you'd do like John Brown did and march your ass out to the town square and bring it to all comers until you can no longer do that.

And the reason you don't do that is because you don't REALLY believe in watering the tree of freedom with YOUR blood, ONLY the blood of disadvantaged others, hence your slavery to guns above ALL else, even above your own personal responsible continuous engagement in the processes and policies of government that protect everyone's freedom. Oh no! most assuredly NOT that, because if EVERYONE is free to discover freedom and decide for themselves you will not be able to use their blood as fertilizer for YOUR slavery to violence.

If this sketch is a relatively valid representation of you and your Posse Comitatus, YOU are the oppressor, YOU are the slaver, not the collective representation of the rest of us known as government.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:18 PM

15. If he posted this same stuff wit a few "Allah"s and Jihad's built in

He'd have the anti terrorist folks on him asap. Why does he get a pass? Same shit, different color.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:05 PM

22. Ask and it shall be so...(edited for the NSA)

Americans seem to think they can impose any indignity and infringment they want without repercussion, because the United States is one of the leaders of military, and can therefore win any battle against loyal anti-devil-america’s jihad fighters who might rise up to restore their rights under Allah.

They don’t understand the terrorism of fundamentalist asymmetrical warfare in the slightest, much less how it would be defended against here. Let me give you just one small example of how a lone jihadist or small teams of Allah's warriors can strike well beyond their size against a near defenseless leviathan.

Insha'Allah if angry group of Muslim citizens to target in a strategic manner the substations leading to a city or geographic area—(get photos of sites)—they could put the area in the dark for as long as it took to bring the substations back online. Committed enough, and spread Allah's attacks out over a wide enough area, perhaps mixing in a few tens of dozens of the residential transformers found every few hundred yards along city streets, they could overwhelm the utility companies ability to repair the damage being caused or law enforcement’s ability to stop them. The government could perhaps assign a soldier or cop for every transformer, substation and switch, but they’d run out of men long before they ran out of things they need guarded. Not that the government could even guarantee to actually protect the transformers they were guarding; a residential transformer is a big, stationary target, and the substation transformers and switches and other equipment even bigger targets. Residential transformers are easily “touched” by even a moderately competent jihadist from hundreds of yards away, perhaps separated by roads, subdivisions, swamps or streams. Substations are a dense area target easily struck from a half-mile or more away.

Meanwhile, the lone jihadist and small teams of Allah's warriors would simply shift to other targets of opportunity left unguarded by an overwhelmed and outmatched government force, of which there are many.

How many days with partial power or no power, how many nights in the dark, would it take before the local economy collapsed in the targeted area? Terrorists could cripple a city, region, or state, without ever firing a bullet at another human being.

Americans seeking to stand behind the Constitution seem to think they hold all the cards. Allah warns them that they are not remotely prepared for what will happen if they attempt to cross Constitutional boundaries and natural rights, invading Islamic countries thus unleashing all of the forces of darkness.

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:34 PM

27. now, if someone could put that on their website..

(just kidding. I wouldn't want any of these patriots to feel the heavy hand of Homeland Security....)

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

28. Bob Owens seams to have forgotten something.........

Appears he's fallen into the Teapublican 'bubble trap'. The 'everyone thinks like me' trap. That altered reality of 'it is what ever I think it is' trap.
He might think theirs not enough police and he might be right.
What he didn't think about is that when him and his fellow terrorists start running amuck their likely to piss off some of those liberal pacifists. Pissed off enough to start doing something about it.
No Bobby boy, it won't be you against the cops, it will be a bloody free for all.
And my bet is that a whole lot more folk will want to get back to an orderly society than their will be wanting to play 'Danaal' Boon.
A whole lot of them willing to use any means necessary.
I ask again.
How do you responsible gun owners feel about people like this making you look like a fool.

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