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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do you think people are doing with all of the assault weapons and ammunition
that people are buying now or have on layaway at Walmart?
Do you mount your pretty guns on the wall and invite the neighbors over to have a gun christening party?
Do you throw them in a closet or under the bed and feel somehow better with yourself? Talk to it at night if you're feeling lonely.
Maybe people cuddle up to their gun in bed like it's a body pillow. Mmmmmmm that's nice.
Do multiple assault weapons owners take them out sometimes, line them up against the wall and give each one a name like a cold steel Von Trapp family? Friederich, Louisa and Gretl?
Sit in a corner surrounded by a fort made of high capacity magazines and wait for a black helicopter to appear?
And all of that ammo. Mercy. Must take up a lot of space. Just don't smoke around it.
benld74
(9,904 posts)I can haz gunz up mi butt.
Kennah
(14,256 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)of course. They're darned fast and one good shot just doesn't take them down properly.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Ammunition can last a very long time stored properly. Same with magazines and firearms. I have some of each that are older than I am and they work better than I do these days.
Given what was announced the other day by Reid, and what Obama did today, the speculators or the late buyers may have hurt themselves financially.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)from what I see. Hell I have guns too, but I'm not in love with them like the right-wing gun loonies are!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)There's Pepper, and Randy, there's Daisy and BoBo!
The other day BoBo was SO funny, she fell over into Daisy and Daisy went off...
And we laughed and laughed and laughed the whole day long!!!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Could ruin your day and disturb the others.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)eww. images of gunnuts wankering over their arsenals flit thru my head. get it out!!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)All other arguments are now rendered obsolete.
longship
(40,416 posts)And no velociraptor would go out without hand grenades.
Pitiful rendition. Pitiful!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)and by morning I will want to pay money to see that movie.
You sir, are a bastard.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)> And all of that ammo. Mercy. Must take up a lot of space. Just don't smoke around it.
Seriously, Politicub? Wrong on both parts....
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Its harmless, certainly not alert worthy.
Better questions would be:
- Could people afford what they bought?
- What percentage was bought by speculators?
- What impact will it have when the material is dumped back out on the market
- What impact will the untraceable material have?
Unless it is somehow sealed, no one should buy 2nd hand ammunition.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... unless you're an FFL for the reasons you specified. No one in his right mind would buy bulk ammo from someone he didn't know. I only buy reloads if they were reloaded by someone I know well.
Given that, "stockpiling" would be a great hedge against inflation given the long-shelf life of properly stored ammunition as I don't see the prices coming down in the future.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)1914 45acp. Tried a few a while back and they still fired.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Better questions would be..."
And of course, 'which ones will find their way into the organs of innocent people?'. I'd imagine that's a relevant question too...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)Or just...
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)My bad!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)generally do or else why do it?
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)People think these types of weapons will be banned, and will then be scarce and more expensive. So they buy now while they have the chance. Same goes with the ammunition. They think that some day it might be scarce, so they buy and horde.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Sitting in the safe. Unless I take them out to the range.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)not firing them.
They will triple in value soon.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)...to their little bunkers in the ground.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)although never could tell did he actually do that with a bat with kids watching??
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holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)
I call this one Vera ...
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... if you dress yourself up, you get taken someplace FUN.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... we recommend hearing protection.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)off ones nuts. oops maybe I shouldn't have rubbed that down there..
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I wouldn't want to be within a mile of it. What if someone stores their weapons in an apartment building or condo. The place catches on fire... the fireworks would not be pretty. A lot of people could die in such a situation including firefighters or police.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... about putting them in underground bunkers.
Important safety tip.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)would dig a hole under his house or in the back yard, but I think that probably accounts for less than 5% of those who stockpile the stuff. I mean, people who live in apartment complexes are piling up ammo. They're not digging anywhere.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Firefighters see it all the time. If you get back like 20 feet, you're good. The brass case immediately splits, and the bullet goes pretty much nowhere. Basically you get little bits of brass flying, if anything. Hollywood memes aside.
Artillery dumps, not so safe.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)The reason ammo shoots out of a bullet so fast is because the barrel forces all the pressure to force the bullet out at a high rate of speed. In a fire, ammo presents no significant danger. If me or you were standing by it, when the fire set the round off, we might get a small bruise where the round hit us. Nothing that won't heal in a few days.
For the firefighters, their coat and a face shield provide ample protections, and if they get hit with a round they will feel it, but feel no pain. The noise is certainly intimidating, the danger is not.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)but thanks for the info. Interesting.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)... if the jack-booted thugs ever came for his treasure trove. This was during the Clinton Administration.
I was tired of talking with him, so I simply said, "Good idea!" and walked away.
That pretty much remains my answer to this day, because imo it is somewhat harder to get at them.
Permanut
(5,602 posts)but from what I hear from Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, and my teabagger cousin, if you have enough of 'em, you can defeat the tyrannical gubmint when they come for you. Or maybe that was the tyrannosaurus gubmint - something like that. So just keep all of 'em locked and loaded, and placed strategically around the house and car, just in case.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Gotta see that symbol of Power sitting on yr kitchen table at all times...to feel the thrill...stroke it a little...pick it up and aim it out the window...
Equipped and Ready!
(Keep it next to that bottle of viagra)
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)when Obama tries for a third term.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)but happens on both side of the isle but won't be happening with the president
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Those AR-15s are so good at blowing up tanks!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It's a sickness.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... it doesn't mean people aren't out to get you." -- Dr Johnny Fever
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)that make them feel the necessity for a gun but I personally have never been that afraid. I've been through enough turmoil in a past marriage to know that I would have been MUCH more paranoid if there had been a gun in the house. I might be dead by now. (I'll give him that; he had enough sense not to keep a firearm around here.) In my life, it has been more advantageous to my health and safety to be a peacemaker.
I have a lot of friends and relatives who hunt, and I have absolutely no problem with that as long as they use care with their weapons. My own brother died of an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound when he was 15 (I was 7), so I would hope that people would learn how to shoot from someone who knows, and be extremely careful.
Don't drink and hunt. People end up getting pissed off and shooting their buddies fairly often up here.
ed. I loved Johnny Fever, by the way. He's one of my all-time favorite TV characters.
Separation
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Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)Which is why I posted that ridiculous picture.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)probably a lot better return than stocks.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)For instance, sometimes when my wife gets really stressed out (maybe too much business travel), she goes out and buys shoes, or maybe a new outfit.
And her stress level goes down for a little while. I'd say about 25% of the time, she returns the purchase a few days later. She decides that whatever it was, she didn't really need it. But the shopping helped.
I suspect lots of these folks running out to the gun store are simply relieving their stress about how Obama's going to take their guns, force their wives to have abortions performed by gay OBGYNs from France, while taking their kid's bible and replacing it with the Koran, then forcing them to sing show tunes, and finally killing granny with his death panels and sending them to his FEMA work camps.
So the purchase of a 5th AR-15 and 10,000 rounds of hollow point or armor piercing ammo is like a really great anti-depressant, but with no prescription needed.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)once they realize that nobody is going to be showing up at their doorstep to confiscate anything because, for one, very few people actually support a total handgun ban, let alone confiscating currently owned guns/ammo (of any sort) and any proposed laws will almost certainly ban future purchase of guns, not pick up the ones already owned. So, are the guns just going to sit around indefinitely collecting dust? What's the rationale behind this impulse buying? How are people affording it? To what end?
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)I guess Now they can cross one more thing off their bucket list...........
still_one
(92,136 posts)guardian
(2,282 posts)Why people do things are as varied as the individuals themselves. Some reasons have been discussed already such as buying to resell at a profit. Though I believe this is a very small fraction of the recent purchases. I think more prevalent reasons include the following:
* Wanting something that you can't have or may not be able to buy in the future. Nothing like being denied something (or someone) to pique interest. Many are uncertain where State and Federal gun laws are headed. So people that just had a passing interest thinking that maybe someday they would like to own XXX are buying now because they are worried that they will be unable to buy in the future.
* Anonymity. Many are worried that their purchases will be tracked in the future with gun or ammo registration. So they are buying now to avoid making purchases after tracking laws are put in place. Some are just private people and don't want others knowing about their business. Certainly that newspaper publishing the gun owner list helped drive this concern. Others are worried about gov't tracking for potential confiscation.
* Cost. Many things may drive up prices dramatically, so much so that they are buying now while they can still afford it. This is due to speculation about increased demand, potential lack of supply, increased regulatory costs of fees/taxes, etc. This goes for ammo too. How many DU threads have discussed a $1 per bullet tax or something similar? Those that can afford it are buying a lifetime supply now in case something like that comes to pass.
All in all it is the antigunner rhetoric that is driving the gun/ammo frenzy.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The NRA and other groups who want no regulations on guns are just whipping the ignorant masses up into a frenzy. They have these people thinking " if I don't buy one now, I wont be able to later" which frankly is a well used advertising method in everything, not just guns.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)They expect a war with the government! Some want to start it ASAP even, and blame Obama.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Undaunted
(22 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)I have a relative who's a certified automatic weapons nut. No shit, he has passed the Federal background checks, paid the taxes, has the license and has five full auto weapons and a number of semi-auto weapons. He shows them off to people who visit his house and shoots them at ranges. So does his wife, who is an expert pistol shot.
And he's not a right winger. He's syndicalist who is a dedicated supporter of labor unions. They're not NRA members. And he told me this,
"If the army comes to take my weapons, I will give them up. Why? Because I will have no chance against a platoon of soldiers in state of the art body armor, with the state of the art automatic weapons, an infantry fighting vehicle and a helicopter gunship and artillery on call. Cold dead hands? Yes, a few cold dead hands and we'll all turn in our guns."
Wolf
Politicub
(12,165 posts)If research is to be believed, and I have no reason not to believe peer reviewed studies, we are going to see an increased amount of suicide, accidental shootings and murder at the hands of a homeowner's weapon in their own home.
The group that will suffer the most is children. Unsecured guns with children around often leads to accidental shootings. Awful in its own right, it will be magnified by automatic and semiautomatic weapons.
Even if you take away the evidence provided by research, it stands to reason that more weapons and more lethal weapons in the home increases the probability of accidental discharge.
This has been a thought provoking thread. When I started it, the only reasons I could think of for people to stockpile weapons were irrational ones. So I took the approach of using absurd humor. But in reality the topic is anything but.
Actions have consequences, and the mad dash to buy all of the guns and ammo that a person can afford can only lead to negative outcomes over time.
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)He keeps the firearms under lock and key, unloaded. The ammunition is kept in a fireproof safe (Yes I know that anything will burn if you get it hot enough,) that is always kept locked. The house has security grilles and metal core doors. Except for the two self defense pistols, the weapons are never loaded except on the range. And anyone who IS allowed to handle them, (never a child) is always supervised, not allowed to load them and reminded that this is NOT a toy. Smoking is never allowed anywhere in the house.
The problem I have with firearms is with the owners. Far too many gun owners have NEVER taken a firearms safety class, throw loaded firearms down on chairs or car seats, treat them like toys. I would like to see safety courses MANDATORY before you can buy a firearm. We require you to show you know how to drive a car before you can get a drivers license. Why shouldn't you have to show you know how to handle a firearm safely before you can own a gun?
I am not anti-gun. My wife and I have pistols, I have a 1950s Lee-Enfield rifle I target shoot with and we have black powder firearms. Our ammunition is kept locked in safes and the black powder for the pistols and musket is kept locked in a safe in the garage which is separate from the house. But a home invader is more likely to be met with a sword than a gun. The wife and I know how to use them.
What I don't understand is why Gary started buying automatic weapons. He has never told me.
Wolf
Politicub
(12,165 posts)He sounds like he's pretty responsible.
I grew up around guns and my dad hunts. He taught me how to shoot and do it safely.
But he thinks the anti-government assault-riffle gun hoarders are nuts.
There are many responsible gun owners out there. But the crazy people - and there are a lot of them - have more influence than they should.
There are more of us than them so maybe the tide will finally turn.
And you and your wife knowing how to use a sword for defense makes the two of you officially awesome!
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)I'll say no more...
-- Mal
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)There is no ammo to buy because SAMMI bought them all.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)We shouldn't ban assault weapons of high capacity clips. But we should regulate where they can be used and how they need to be stored and secured. The federal and state governments should set up safe, regulated shooting ranges where high assault weapons and high capacity clips can be used for target practice and shooting games. But, but those guns and clips should go into secure gun lockers that are maintained at the shooting ranges once the owners have done their shooting. Federal and state governments should regulate the ranges and do periodic audits to insure that the ranges are following gun use and control regulations. People should be allowed to have registered pistols that have capacity no larger than 10 rounds at home and be required to register them and keep them in gun safes. If a person can't defend their home with a 10 round gun, that person shouldn't have a gun.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)when weighed against the negative impacts to society.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Really makes one think, doesn't it?
Politicub
(12,165 posts)It has provided a lot of good food for thought. And no one has been able to give a better reason than because they just want to so they can play with them, show them off or fend off the gubmint.
None of which are more important than the public interest in banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Spending that money on dental appointments for the kids.
Taking time to read a book to their children.
Put the money into the kids' college fund.
etc. etc. etc.
Yes, I know that is a broad stereotype, but the kind of people who are obsessed with these things are generally not the best and brightest the country has to offer. If there weren't such a strong inverse correlation between IQ and obsession with these things, I wouldn't be nearly as concerned as I am.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)I have a good friend who works at WalMart and she said when someone wants to buy a gun she tells them to come back in the morning because they have to do paperwork. She will not sell any guns. If someone wants to look at them she calls a department manager so the customer can look at them.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)managers approval and sign off and manager hand carried the boxed rifle out of the store
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)in the store. They look out of place.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Offered as a Black Friday deal.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)That doesn't make any sense. If she doesn't want to handle gun sales, why doesn't she go work in a different department?
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)works in toys or electronics. Sometimes they move them to different areas where they need help stocking.
crazyjoe
(1,191 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)not have sensible gun control.
jillan
(39,451 posts)XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Like investing in Beanie Babies or commemorative W plates from the Franklin Mint with .001 grams of .9999 pure gold plating.
They'll be laughing all the way to the bank in 20 years.