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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:43 PM

Flame me if you want: My wife and I are sad to know the NRA's wet dream of "Arm Guards" in schools

is something the Obama Administration is basically making this one of the previsions agreed to today. just makes us sad.

No my wife and I don't have children but we have Nieces and Nephews and we don't like the thought of them going to school seeing an armed police person.

Tell me HOW or WHY someone needs a weapon that can shoot 100 bullets in less time it takes to blink one's eye.

Think back to your days in school and now imagine your children or grandchildren or your niece/nephew going to school next week or next month and imagine what kind of impression or memory this will make for them.

Do the children really need to lose such a innocence time in life because a lobbyist group would rather have guns in this country that can shoot 100 bullets a minute than to have common sense gun laws.

My wife's uncle was a hunter if fact one of the family's cherish memories --that has been handed down is that My wife's grandmother once had a house in a area of town that was just starting to be laid out for housing. Basically it was there house and it was surrounded by woods so the uncle would go to the house open the windows of the dinning room sit in a chair and wait for deer. My wife's grandmother served him food and coffee and when a deer came within range the uncle shot and hit the deer from the dinning room window BUT he didn't need several bullets . Just a riffle.

My wife and I understand some people do need pistols/ handguns from protection of others who may hurt them because no matter how we might try their are people who need to protect themselves from others BUT how the hell is that handgun going to protect that person from the bully/nut/person who is determine to kill them gets a semi automatic machine gun or a gun which was made for one use only...WAR

I'm just upset by the talk of adding guards BUT we can't get freakin congress to ban certain weapons because they are afraid of a freakin LOBBY group.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:46 PM

1. What kind of a country do we have

Where we need armed guards in schools?

We have totally lost a certain sense of what's up and what's down here.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:49 PM

2. Only if the school requests it and they are professionally trained. Hopefully most schools

say "no thanks".

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:49 PM

3. The armed guard thing has nothing to do with the ban high count mags thing....

they are not mutually exclusive. His propositions include both things, it seems (I didn't know it included armed guards, though, until your post...is that true?).

In any case, I don't like the idea, either. It'll be very expensive, so I'm wondering if it'll be done for a while, then abandoned later, if the other attempts to lessen mass murder have worked.

Under the circumstances, though, I can understand wanting to do that in these in initial stages after Sandy Hook. There will no doubt be copycats. I don't think it'll harm children's psyche to see armed guards. I just don't think armed guards would be effective, anyway.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:54 PM

4. I'm kind of de-sensitized to it, as a NYC teen I went to school with metal detectors and

School Safety police officers sat in vans out side the exits. BUT, they never came into the school unless they were called in for assistance. They mostly patrolled around the school making sure fights weren't happening or returning kids playing hooky.

ETA: My high school did have unarmed security guards equipped with walkie talkie, handcuffs, nightstick.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:56 PM

5. My middle school and high school both had SROs. I never thought twice about it.

In high school I got busted by him with a joint. He made me tear it up and throw it on the ground. He didn't turn me and my friends in to the school administrators but gave us a lecture. Sure, we just laughed it off at the time but nothing he said or did was wrong. All in all I don't think it was a negative experience.

I don't remember anything much apart from the SRO at the middle school except she was rather overweight and had a decidedly bad complexion accompanied by an unmanageable tangle of flaming red hair.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:58 PM

6. I think most children are ok with seeing police officers and most of them are armed...

It might actually make some children feel safer. I don't think it will in reality make anyone safer and I think the police officer is likely to be the first casualty if someone wants to go into a school and create carnage.

What they really need to do is modify the school. The doors open in the morning to let kids in passed gun detectors. Then they need a system that people can only enter the building if they are buzzed in. Of course even this plan is flawed as it is sometimes students that do the shooting and if they want to bring a gun in, they will likely find a way. But, it can't hurt and it might help.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:01 PM

7. I am against police officers in school though because it is a slippery slope

Kids may get harassed for things that the school faculty could address better. Even jail time for stupid offenses that school officials would be better equipped at handling.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:05 PM

8. I grew up in a small town

Drove a pickup to school.
Had one of those gun racks in the back window.
Always had a Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 and a 22 in the rack.
Went hunting with a few of the teachers almost every day after school.
Just reminiscing here.
Why has society changed so much?

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:48 PM

9. When in Turkey and Africa In the 90s we were always a bit uncomfortable

That there were men with automatic weapons in the airport and out and about. I remember being relieved when we returned to the US thinking how great it was to live somewhere where that didn't happen and wasn't a normal part of the day. How such a sight made me think it was representative of an unstable society. Fast forward 15 years and well, yeah.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:50 PM

10. If we have to have armed guards in our schools, then let's fund them with a special

tax on gun and ammo sales.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:55 PM

11. A resource officer isn't really a police officer or "armed guard"

They're more of a hybrid between a cop and a therapist. They are also trained to defuse situations instead of slap on handcuffs.

The NRA want typical "beat" cops in schools - or even "better", private security guards. That wouldn't help - it already failed in places like Columbine. The idea behind the "resource officer" is to try and intervene before the law is broken instead of punish after the law is broken.

Finally, they're not talking about arming them with anything stronger than a pistol.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:59 PM

12. The major difference being of course that...

one is an armed person guarding schools and advocated by President Obama

the other is an armed person guarding schools advocated by the NRA

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:03 PM

13. No.

One is an armed person guarding a school. That's it. They just stand there waiting to shoot someone.

The other is someone talking with the kids, trying to help solve their problems, helping them to defuse situations before the kids resort to violence, who happens to also have a gun and could shoot someone.

The jobs are extremely different. The latter is far more than just a guard.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:55 AM

14. Watch the Rachel Maddow rerun.

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Response to diabeticman (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:02 AM

15. arm guards? is that anything like dress shields?

 

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