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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:56 PM

what has been your anti gun fantasy ( if any) ?

I have had moments of real anger and can openly admit to fantasizing about things that are impossible and/or illegal that have provided me with some relief ...

Two of them are

1) I invent a magic shield ( like the one in independence day) around everyone - and all guns are instantly rendered useless.

2) I become invisible and do some terrible things I wouldn't normally do (all for greater good I assure you)


Would like to hear from others if they have been as mental as I have been ... BTW everyone has fantasies - its just that we know the difference between reality and fantasy is what makes us sane.

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Reply what has been your anti gun fantasy ( if any) ? (Original post)
srican69 Jan 2013 OP
Waltons_Mtn Jan 2013 #1
regjoe Jan 2013 #2
AceWheeler Jan 2013 #28
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #29
regjoe Jan 2013 #30
theKed Jan 2013 #32
regjoe Jan 2013 #40
theKed Jan 2013 #46
regjoe Jan 2013 #53
theKed Jan 2013 #54
regjoe Jan 2013 #56
theKed Jan 2013 #57
marions ghost Jan 2013 #35
regjoe Jan 2013 #41
srican69 Jan 2013 #42
regjoe Jan 2013 #43
marions ghost Jan 2013 #45
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #3
jmg257 Jan 2013 #4
rightsideout Jan 2013 #5
Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #6
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Kalidurga Jan 2013 #8
jmg257 Jan 2013 #10
bigapple1963 Jan 2013 #12
marions ghost Jan 2013 #36
rightsideout Jan 2013 #16
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #19
pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #22
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Recursion Jan 2013 #13
Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #14
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #15
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srican69 Jan 2013 #18
sanatanadharma Jan 2013 #20
CTyankee Jan 2013 #21
virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #23
LeftInTX Jan 2013 #24
2naSalit Jan 2013 #25
upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #27
Paladin Jan 2013 #31
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #33
srican69 Jan 2013 #34
marions ghost Jan 2013 #37
jambo101 Jan 2013 #38
srican69 Jan 2013 #39
randome Jan 2013 #44
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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:01 PM

1. Fantasy only right?

I dream of adding just enough C4 (or some other explosive) to every piece of ammunition. Just enough so that when it is fired the round completely f**ks up the gun.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:01 PM

2. I don't fear guns

 

so no ridiculous fantasies about getting rid of them and everything being perfect.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:46 AM

28. Don't fear guns...

...and you think this is somehow relevant. You really do live in a fantasy land. That's not why people are anti-guns, or even have fantasies about getting rid of guns. Of course, fear is what makes people want to have guns, because they have the delusion that having a gun will make them safe, and they won't have to be afraid.

It's true that we do need mental health services, and there is indeed a reason we call them "gun nuts."

Of course, I'm not including you in that group. Right?

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Response to AceWheeler (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:00 AM

29. If you aren't afraid of guns...

...why do you want to get rid of them?

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Response to AceWheeler (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:17 AM

30. It is very relevent

 

Fear of the unknown is what drives the anti-gun crusade. Even though it a statistical improbability that they will ever be a victim of gun violence, they believe they will be the victim of a mass shooting. That there is gun waiting to get them around every corner. That every gun owner is a threat. Fear.

Yep, fear is what makes some people want to have guns. Fear of rape, fear for themselves, fear for their family etc...fear of the unknown.

The only reason you call them "gun nuts" is to convince others that gun owners who don't meet your requirements have some kind of mental problems. The more people who associate guns with mental instabilities, the more support you have for your cause.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:15 AM

32. Wow, this post is

Complete.
Utter.
Bullshit.

Seriously. Eveeyone who wants gun control is quivering in the bedrooms, terrified of the big, bad guns? That is such a fucking stupid thing to say. Yeah, maybe I could phrase that more diplomatically, but I won't. Because it's fucking stupid.

Not everyone with a gun is a gun nut, FYI. But those who will do everything in their power to stop, derail, or otherwise obfuscate rational discussion of the matter simply to not have to give up a lethal toy definitely fit the description.

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Response to theKed (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:31 AM

40. Your use of "gun nut" and "lethal toy"

 

says it is you who is blocking "rational discussion of the matter."

Thankfully, our President understands that the vast majority of gun owners are good people and that the use of those words to demean them does nothing for the discussion.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:26 PM

46. Those are accurate

terms for the fringe elements of society driving the dialogue (see: NRA) and your displeasure at my choice of words does nothing to change that, nor does it alter the truth that it was a fucking stupid statement for you to make.

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Response to theKed (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:49 PM

53. Don't get your panties all in a wad

 

If I am understanding you correctly, it seems like you are saying that it is wrong for someone to lump all of one group with the fringe of the same group? That perhaps demeaning and condemning people who do not strictly share your personal opinions, is not how to have rational discussions?

I couldn't agree more.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:04 PM

54. I'm sorry...

I can't let you walk off, changing history like that. YOU lumped pro-gun-controllers into one woefully misattributed collection. I made a point of distinguishing between fringe anti-gun-controllers and the average gun owner. That is the reality of this exchange. You are put in the fringe category because you made fucking stupid remarks that would be at home in the NRA playbook. Comments which, if made seriously, should have you exiled to the fucking gungeon until the end of time.

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Response to theKed (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:29 PM

56. Sigh

 

Your unwillingness to accept fact does not make my comments "stupid."

The desire to buy a gun for self defense wouldn't not be possible without a "fear of the unknown."
The desire for more gun control would not be possible without a "fear of the unknown."
The entire debate is about preventing an unknown that people fear.

YOU put me in the "fringe category" because you cannot accept the facts and must resort to throwing around NRA this and NRA that to avoid them. To top it off, you want me "exiled" for using facts you refuse to accept.
If all you want are cheerleaders, put me on ignore and preserve the neat little box you have created.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:30 PM

57. Oh yes

Swell plan. I think, rather, I'll not ignore you, and put you and your blather where it belongs.

Saying these are always and forever the driving motives for anything involving guns is fucking stupid. I don't want gun control out of fear. Seriously. I am truly, honestly, not afraid that there is a "gun waiting to get them around every corner." I have very, very little fear of being a victim of gun crime. What I do have is desire. Desire not to read headlines about people shot to death. Deaths that could have been avoided with proper gun control. So, no. "Fear of the unknown" is not what drives the pro-gun-control "crusade". Do you honestly think President Obama is doing what he's doing out of some crippling fear? Really? The man with 24/7 highly-trained bodyguards there strictly for the purposes of preventing that for him and his family?

So, yeah. Your statement is fucking stupid. I don't know how many more times I should say it before it sinks in. Fucking stupid. Fucking Stupid. And you are a horrible human being for promoting it. Because it's fucking stupid. You think every person for gun control is paralyzed by fear, and the only way to rid themselves of the nightmarish terror is to take away peoples guns. YEAH. That puts you in the fucking fringe. That makes you a gun nut. Because it's about guns and it's fucking nutty. Gun + Nut = Gun Nut.

And that is why you need to go back under your bridge. Because you say fucking stupid things, based on fucking stupid premises, and won't get the fucking hint.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:58 AM

35. Every mass shooting hurts us--as individuals and as a nation

but I know you "I got mine" folks can't really see that.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:34 AM

41. Do you honestly believe

 

that gun owners don't feel and even cry over such things?

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Response to regjoe (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:57 AM

42. I am sure lots of cheaters love their wives too - but cheating is still wrong.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:05 PM

43. Doesn't mean every spouse cheats

 

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Response to regjoe (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:21 PM

45. I honestly believe

that people who own guns feel sad over the mass killings of children. Sure. But it seems to me--that it is still not real or imaginable to people who can then dismiss the risks to themselves and others in this gun loving culture. People who often argue that "statistics show" that the risk is not so great and the problem is in the media hype. People who ignore the psychological damage and underestimate the actual damage. People who go around arguing NRA points.

I honestly believe that gun owners who are really on our side would act like it.

I do not believe that people who deny the dangers and cost to society spend ANY time crying over mass killings. No. They arm themselves even more. "I got mine."

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:01 PM

3. My HUSBAND

will stop bothering ME about guns, and get rid of HIS. The compromise right now is that there is not a gun in every room and they are in a gun safe, which I declined the combination to. Small start, but I want MORE.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:03 PM

4. I have thought about snapping my fingers and having them all disappear...

as the only way to resolve this mess.

BTW - hasn't worked yet.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:04 PM

5. I want the Easter Bunny to take away all the guns

You have to believe in the Easter Bunny First.

While the Easter Bunny is visiting each house to deliver Easter treats he should turn all their guns and ammo into chocolate or replace them with NERF guns.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:06 PM

6. I hate to admit it, but....

I sometimes think that if some of these leaders, like Lapeirre, suffered a loss of a loved one because of one of these mass shootings, then maybe they might flip sides and start speaking out in favor of some reasonable legislation.


I don't honestly wish harm on anyone, I just wish they could develop enough compassion to understand what the senseless and preventable loss of a loved one can mean to an emotionally mature human being.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:08 PM

7. My fantasy is that we could all come together

to work toward a safer world for everyone.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:09 PM

8. A well regulated militia

Instead of what we have now a lot of people with gun fetishes that are not responsible with their guns. That doesn't mean that there aren't responsible gun owners, but it is horrifying what happens when they aren't. For example, one of my daughters' roommates son got his father's gun and committed suicide with it. This was before Sandy Hook. The incident devastated my children as they knew this man fairly well as he visited his dad often and stayed with them for a couple of weeks at a time. He was a sensitive person with a lot of issues and became depressed when he lost his job and the mother of his child refused visitation.

I can't say how many children I have read about that have gotten a hold of a gun and accidentally have killed themselves or gotten severe injuries, but enough to know that too many people don't take strong enough measures to ensure their guns won't kill anyone by accident or on purpose if stolen.

There are a lot of issues involved here. Targeting people with mental health issues isn't the answer, banning violent video games and movies isn't the answer, and banning some kinds of guns isn't the answer either. We need to take a serious look at how other democracies are handling this and adopt as many of their policies as we can when we find those that work.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:13 PM

10. They talked about this in the just-concluded hearing. 'In the old

days', people who grew up with guns knew what they could do, and so had a true respect for them, and were likely much less irresponsible about leaving them around, hiding them under a pillow etc. then this latest generation who just like the idea of having 'em.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:16 PM

12. we should do what Britain and Australia did after Dublane/Tasmania massacres

 

ban on personal storage of handguns/revolvers/rifles. These can be owned and stored at a local shooting club.

Allow double barrel or pump action shotguns for protection or hunting. If you need more than two shots, the animal's already gone and you probably should take up fishing instead.

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:06 AM

36. That is absolutely THE way to go

--but before that would be accepted --you would need a society where the people have a basic level of trust--in the government, in the media, and in the community.

We are living in a very different social environment than Britain or Australia. The American gun culture is a symbol of societal breakdown here.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:21 PM

16. I can relate

I lost my best friend in school to suicide. His parents were always grounding him. My parents tried to intervene by doing more stuff with them and going with me to their house. But one day he got a hold of his father's gun, which was supposed to be for protection, and killed himself. My dad was so mad he refused to go the funeral. He told me if he went he'd feel like punching the father out. The funeral home did the best they could to cover up the wound but you could tell where he shot himself in the head. It bothers me to this day.

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Response to rightsideout (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:49 PM

19. I never met this young man...

But, I was affected my my daughters' distress. My middle child was the most effected and she was the one that hung out with him the most so that's understandable. My oldest doesn't do social stuff very much, but even she was very sad about this. My youngest was very upset, but she was livid with the dad for not taking better care of his gun. My oldest two didn't see that as much the issue, they thought the dad should have been more of a parent.

It is horrible that people don't take suicides by gun seriously. I don't know if it is because it is mostly young males that do it and they are supposed to be self sufficient emotionally anyway(not my thinking) or if it's just the shame of suicide so we don't talk about it.

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Response to rightsideout (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:00 PM

22. I flew cross-country to attend my best friend's memorial service

When I arrived, a friend drove me to the funeral home for the viewing, but he talked me out of going in. By then, the effects of the bullet he'd put into his head were too dramatic to be covered up.

The memorial service at a Ft. Meyer chapel and the interment in a columbarium at Arlington were difficult enough.

I'm sorry you lost your best friend, too.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:09 PM

9. Less Dead Kindergartners. nt

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:13 PM

11. The Weapon Shops Of Isher

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:17 PM

13. Fencing lessons being popular

Hello marketable skill!

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:18 PM

14. One is that all guns dissolve magically overnight.

The other one I can't say in detail. Let's just say it involves a very large NRA meeting with all the most extreme members in attendance.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:19 PM

15. NRA & it's representatives marginalized to the point IF they appear on tv they're universally jeered

and totally ignored.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:26 PM

17. Few guns in our society

I had nightmares about being chased by a few hundred NVA and not being armed, but that was just part of my VN PTSD psychological effects, especially after being wounded by NVA AK fire and barely surviving.

After the war, I would have felt more comfortable having a weapon (PTSD insecurity, again), but at the same time I didn't want to own one or to have one in my house. And I never have, except for that one time.

After my best friend's pill-suicide attempt, he went into a VA in-patient PTSD program and I was asked to remove all his guns from his home. I wasn't comfortable with that, but I had to do it and to hold onto his many guns for the duration of his 6-week program and for about a month afterward. Until he asked for them, and I had to give them back to him.

Two years later, on Christmas, he put a bullet in his head...

R.I.P., Jim...

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:40 PM

18. sorry to hear that ...

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:51 PM

20. My fantasy future, the folk have melted down the gun fantasy...

...and forged a strong "ahimsa" among all
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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:58 PM

21. Living in a small town near Paris. Traveling on trains and walking around old castles and

sitting in a sidewalk cafe enjoying peace and sunlight. Just living in a country where I won't fear shots ringing out from high towers or in a train station...

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:01 PM

23. My fantasy is that people .....

Should stop selectively supporting the bill of rights, and realize that they ALL are important, and not just the ones the agree with. And realize the danger of using "needs" or any other qualifiers when talking about them.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:06 PM

24. Some sort of techie mind control that reprograms the brains of gun nuts

A satellite controlled laser impulse

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:47 PM

25. I've had multifacetted fantasies

Some involve the rise in the perception that ETs are here or coming here and that if that were so they would somehow eliminate/silence all guns, especially the weapons of war. At the same time it would be a real plus if they reprogrammed everyone to have and show respect to each other, everyone everywhere, including wildlife (including plant life and marine life).

Another is a super something ray that would do pretty much the same things... or we could just somehow suddenly wake up and discover the value in all life forms and have/show respect for them.

That's what I fantasize about regarding guns and violence.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:57 PM

26. I fantasize that gunners will all say to

each other, "hey there is too much gun violence, let's get together and come up with some reasonable gun restrictions to reduce gun violence."

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:58 PM

27. That society shifts to being based upon positive principles and as such, guns are obsoleted.

 

Compassion, support, inclusion, brotherly love, courage, honesty, humility, recognition, acceptance...

Well, you said "fantasy", didn't you?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:22 AM

31. I Leave The Fantasizing To The Gun Enthusiasts. They're Better At It. (nt)

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:22 AM

33. Alex Jones, Ted Nugent, and Wayne LaPiarre meet

Unexpectedly on a dark street in Florida. Each is so surprised that they all draw their weapons, and then they all stand their ground!

Hilarity ensues!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:37 AM

34. now .. THAT is what I call a fantasy !!!

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:11 AM

37. Local news is not all about the latest murders, mass killings, armed robberies.

I might feel better about things in general. This level of violence does something to all of us eventually. We lose sight of the good things and have to spend so much energy focusing on this that it is seriously depressing.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:21 AM

38. Anti Gun fantasy?

Maybe all the gun nuts could have a big get together and have a real shoot out,when the dust settles no more gun nuts.

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Response to jambo101 (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:23 AM

39. that is big improvement on #33

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:09 PM

44. My fantasy is that we build a gigantic sculpture that can be seen from space out of them.

Turn your guns in to be part of a world-wide artistic statement!

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

47. Gun owners seeing the light and selling their guns to the state

 

Then taking the cash, spending it on grass, dirty magazines and new underwear. The economy improves! Marijuana is legalized! Tourism to Humboldt County surges!

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:29 PM

48. The US passing the same gun control laws as the UK.

You did say "fantasy". I am fully aware that this is less likely to happen than the US building a Death Star.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:29 PM

49. Melt all the preciouses down while their owners watch in horror!

 

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:34 PM

50. When I Was Walking in Kyoto

vs Denver or Aurora, I felt safe. I felt the respect each person felt for the other - the manner in which the Japanese treat each other is amazing. If we weren't so old now and settled, I'd move there, especially now.

Millions of Japanese living without guns. It's not a dream.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:39 PM

51. "They will beat their swords into plowshares..

and their spears into pruning hooks; nations will not raise swords against nations, and they will not learn warfare anymore."

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:40 PM

52. Repeal of Concealed Carry in all states

Then I would feel a little safer on the road and anywhere I go. Right now, I am just waiting for some crazy idiot to pop one off.

It doesn't take much to light the fuse on some people and many of them have guns contrary to what the Gun Nutters will tell you.

We shouldn't need to fear for our lives every time we go out in public.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:05 PM

55. Tell everyone to turn in their assault rifles - and they do it because they know it's the right

thing to do.

I know. Total fantasy.

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