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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:16 PM

 

If gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are delusional...

Are people who think they can confiscate those guns also delusional and mentally ill?

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Reply If gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are delusional... (Original post)
dkf Jan 2013 OP
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #1
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #23
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #31
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #2
bowens43 Jan 2013 #3
Loudly Jan 2013 #30
forestpath Jan 2013 #41
RebelOne Jan 2013 #4
Downwinder Jan 2013 #5
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #6
regjoe Jan 2013 #7
upaloopa Jan 2013 #10
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #8
LineLineReply .
Glassunion Jan 2013 #39
pkdu Jan 2013 #52
freshwest Jan 2013 #54
xoom Jan 2013 #59
upaloopa Jan 2013 #9
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #11
arbusto_baboso Jan 2013 #12
krispos42 Jan 2013 #47
arbusto_baboso Jan 2013 #70
former9thward Jan 2013 #72
krispos42 Jan 2013 #73
jmg257 Jan 2013 #13
phillipstd Jan 2013 #15
Bandit Jan 2013 #20
jmg257 Jan 2013 #21
Hekate Jan 2013 #14
dkf Jan 2013 #19
Hekate Jan 2013 #22
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #16
phillipstd Jan 2013 #17
lonestarnot Jan 2013 #62
Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #18
krispos42 Jan 2013 #48
frylock Jan 2013 #24
XRubicon Jan 2013 #25
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #28
XRubicon Jan 2013 #33
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #34
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #35
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #36
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #43
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #49
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #57
XRubicon Jan 2013 #37
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #44
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #26
hack89 Jan 2013 #42
Squinch Jan 2013 #27
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #29
stevenleser Jan 2013 #38
dkf Jan 2013 #45
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #46
dkf Jan 2013 #50
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #61
dkf Jan 2013 #64
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #65
dkf Jan 2013 #66
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #69
LanternWaste Jan 2013 #68
dkf Jan 2013 #60
Chico Man Jan 2013 #32
Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #40
hrmjustin Jan 2013 #51
Politicub Jan 2013 #53
madinmaryland Jan 2013 #55
krispos42 Jan 2013 #56
xoom Jan 2013 #58
NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #63
BainsBane Jan 2013 #67
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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:01 PM

23. See reply #3 (nt)

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:20 PM

31. Incredible sample size

Incredible sample size on which to base a hypothetical...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:20 PM

2. Yes.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:21 PM

3. my sincere hope is that gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are NOT delusional.

I hope that we will soon be able to PROVE that they are not delusional.....

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:18 PM

30. Incrementalism, citizen. Otherwise, you risk triggering the kneejerk.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

41. +1

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:22 PM

4. I have a dumb-ass brother-in-law who hates Obama,

and thinks Obama is coming after his hunting gun.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

5. Guns attract more guns on the opposing side.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

6. What people?

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

7. Yes

 

Even moreso than those who think cosmetic or magazine limitations will curb gun violence.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:30 PM

10. No one believes you will curb gun violence.

But they believe they can lessen it.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

8. See post 87. eom

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:56 PM

39. .

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:31 PM

52. Now, THAT deserves a Duzy!! Laugh out loud funny, cheers. Nt

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:39 PM

54. Damned straight. He nearly got himself banned over that one.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:56 PM

59. RomneyLies

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:28 PM

9. They fall for the bs that they will have their

ammo and guns taken away so they rush out and cause a shortage by buying all they can afford. The manufactures are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:34 PM

11. ...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:35 PM

12. Any people thinking any other people want to confiscate guns are...

delusional, mentally ill, and complete dumbasses.

Just sayin'.

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Response to arbusto_baboso (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:43 PM

47. People on here are actively seeking the "Australian solution"

Where the government confiscated with compensation all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns shortly after the Port Arthur massacre. A mandatory "gun buyback", if you will, although I dislike the term "buyback", as it implies the government gave you the guns in the first place.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:06 PM

70. Can you name names please?

Because I hear that "people I know" bullshit meme a LOT.

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Response to arbusto_baboso (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:11 PM

72. Poster #3 does.

Total confiscation posters are in every gun thread.

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Response to arbusto_baboso (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:48 PM

73. Well, advanced search is a help

There were a lot of "fuck all guns" and "fuck the NRA" and such threads in the days after Newtown, so the system's a bit clogged with chaff, but you can poke around if you want.

There was an article in the "New York Post", where a legislative proposal for the state government to purchase all the assault weapons on the state (confiscation with compensation) was shot down as too expensive.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ny_in_jam_forget_rifle_buyback_tiTyUjCeA5bNtmL6jpDeCO


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022053134

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022053079#post8

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post109


This was confining myself to the first few dozen search results, of GD, the week after Newtown. Once the politicians began getting involved, things of course got busier.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:49 PM

13. In New York, they didn't confiscate...you simply have to register them or dump them.

Mags however...still no confiscation, but no registration either (except for unique C&R).

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:00 PM

15. correct

 

but if it's a federal law then who will i sell my hunting rifles from the 1800's that hold more than 7 rounds to? New York just effectively "grabbed" their citizens guns....

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Response to phillipstd (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:37 PM

20. You have a hunting rifle from the 1800s that has a detachable magazine?

I don't believe you....Many rifles hold more than seven bullets but they are not the concern. It is large capacity magazines that worry people...

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Response to phillipstd (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:41 PM

21. Antiques/curios - not likely to be banned. Even if you do have a 1800s semi

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that takes detachable magazines.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:53 PM

14. Who exactly thinks that?

Who at that extreme has the voice and audience of Beck, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:36 PM

19. Piers Morgan?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 PM

22. LOL, literally. How does Piers compare to any of the three I mentioned?

First, he is a Brit, and while he is entitled to his opinion he cannot vote here.

Second, the person who came on his show and had a ranting, frothing at the mouth, meltdown was not Piers Morgan, but a prototypical gun nut, with the emphasis on NUT.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:06 PM

16. Either way the argument is able-ist and bigoted posing mental illness as a flaw

In the midst of issues where the NRA is blaming the mentally ill and 80% of people think that mental illness is the problem and not guns

This line of reasoning is simply fucked

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:09 PM

17. blind

 

nobody even talks about how the last few school mass shooters are all world of warcraft players, and all the ones I know you could tell within 30 seconds they should not have a gun or bat or a stick or a rock. Thank god they havent figured out that the feed store sells enough stuff to make a bomb and level an entire school

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Response to phillipstd (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:46 PM

62. What are you suggesting, ban feed stores?

Fucking goofy. No one is suggesting banning guns.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:10 PM

18. What??

The only places I've read or heard about guns being seized are by the paranoid gun owners spouting that Obama was coming for their guns.

Ted Nugent comes to mind as one of these people.

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Response to Bjornsdotter (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:46 PM

48. "Obama's waiting for his 2nd term to enact strict gun-control laws"

"He spent his first term just lulling everybody to sleep! You watch, as soon as he's re-elected... BAM! Assault weapons ban! Magazine limits! You'll see!"


Remember that discussion last summer?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:52 PM

24. more herp, less derp

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:00 PM

25. All guns or some guns?

All guns - yes (not realistic is how I would put it).

Some guns - no. It will be a rude awaking for assault weapon owners.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:11 PM

28. Actually, the original assault weapon ban wasn't even written to confiscate weapons

Weapons people owned were grandfathered in. And that is how it would be written now, if Republicans care more about children than they do their guns.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:21 PM

33. How do you know how it will be written this time?

Do you have a flux capacitor and access to 1.21 gigwatts?

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:27 PM

34. No, but the President hasn't called for confiscating weapons...

And Democratic leadership in the House and Senate aren't calling for confiscating property.

That is the paranoid delusion of gun owners fed by their logical fallacies.

Really, people should stop bringing the paranoid lies of the NRA and Free Republic over here.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:37 PM

35. There have been a chorus of voices here for total banning/confiscation

Some of them are clearly zombies and socks

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:42 PM

36. Which elected voices would those be?

Confiscating weapons is a paranoid delusion nurtured by the NRA, Republicans, and Gun manufacturers using outright lies and logical fallacies. It is a right wing talking point that isn't being discussed by anyone who will write the law. Show me a a large group of elected officials that will write such a law. They just don't exist.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:02 PM

43. As I said here, as on DU.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:57 PM

49. DU doesn't legislate. So you have nothing.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:50 PM

57. Actually what we have is a small group within the party/left that are doing just that

Do they legislate, no. Do they garner some attention, yes.

Wingnuts from either side are not helping

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:42 PM

37. Which are you "progressive"?

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:05 PM

44. I've previously posted what I think should be changed

Lined up fairly well with the EOs

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:08 PM

26. Nobody in the government is talking about confiscating guns...

that is purely the deluison of gun owners.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

42. And the fantasy of some DUrs. nt

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:10 PM

27. Certainly not! Rush says people WILL come and take your guns. Therefore, it MUST be so!!

Sheriff Arpao says so too. What more proof do you need? Who cares that no laws have even been broached suggesting any such thing. That's just to give you a false sense of security.

All of you guys who understand the truth of the fact that we are all coming into your homes, probably at night, to take your guns, you better get into those bunkers!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:18 PM

29. What is the specific, relevant and valid correlation between the alleged delusion of one and the all

What is the specific, relevant and valid correlation between the alleged delusion of one and the alleged delusions of the other?

Or are we simply attempting to make a tortured and petulant tortured point?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:43 PM

38. Answer to your last question... Yes, and flamebait along the way. nt

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:34 PM

45. If thinking guns will be grabbed is delusional then it's delusional from the point of view of pro

 

And con.

And both should be shot down as ridiculous. Condemning only one side as being crazy doesn't work in any intellectually honest way.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:25 PM

50. I'm not making a list if that is your question.

 

But I've seen posts often enough.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:07 AM

64. And some people post that they are afraid their guns will be taken away.

 

They are called delusional and other names. Why shouldn't it be the same on the other end if everyone agrees it is a delusion?

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:40 AM

66. Actually I would prefer we just accept people's views and stop calling them names.

 

But if we must be disparaging about a view it should be done in all ways.

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Response to dkf (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:50 PM

69. you predicate your words and ethics on the behavior of others, rather than on your own convictions

"But if we must be disparaging about a view it should be done in all ways..."

I see... you predicate your words and ethics on the behavior of others, rather than on your own convictions. I can certainly see the convenience in that...

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Response to dkf (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:48 PM

68. I imagine you may even believe your sampling size is valid..

I imagine you may even believe your sampling size is valid, all the to better reinforce your faith in your biases...

But at the end of the day, petulance, no matte how well justified, is yet still petulance.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:59 PM

60. See post 56.

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:20 PM

32. Waco was all about the guns

Didn't seem to end well..

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:58 PM

40. Yes

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:29 PM

51. No!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:32 PM

53. Great point!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:39 PM

55. If gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are delusional...

they are members of the NRA and should be committed to a mental institute and banned from buying guns.

For your second question, see the first question, since no one has thought they should confiscate all guns. What you have heard is that people would like to see a world without guns, but we realize that utopia will never exist as long as there are gun-nutters around.



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Response to krispos42 (Reply #56)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:55 PM

58. Well that is kind of telling

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:52 PM

63. Delusional post.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:11 PM

67. +1

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:59 PM

71. No, they aren't

It is not going to happen, but I am really sure it could be done. Governments far less powerful than ours have done so with considerable success. People do die in the process however, sometimes quite a few. Government would never get all of them, but at some point it does not matter as those remaining will be silent and well hidden.

It will not happen that way. It will happen because normal people will not want the stigma of being an owner. Folks will die in that process as well, probably quite a few, but at the hands of fruitbat owners instead. When ownership associates a person with a sufficient number of fruitbats, they will choose to rid themselves of this symbol of derrangement.

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