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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:36 PM

Someone should ask those screaming about "infringing rights" and "unconstitutional" executive orders

specifically what they object to. Which of these specifically do they have an issue with?

And here are the 23 Executive Actions:


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

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Renew Deal Jan 2013 OP
Dpm12 Jan 2013 #1
liberal N proud Jan 2013 #2
nick of time Jan 2013 #3
SoCalNative Jan 2013 #4
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #5
Recursion Jan 2013 #6
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #8
NewHere112233 Jan 2013 #11
Recursion Jan 2013 #7
NewHere112233 Jan 2013 #9
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #10
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #12
malaise Jan 2013 #13

Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:37 PM

1. They are dumb

They're Republican dumbasses who don't want to give up their totally-not-needed-in-the-goddamn-house army assault rifles.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:38 PM

2. The gun nuts will tell you ALL of THEM

And scream it at you.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:40 PM

3. They object because it's coming from........

 

wait for it.............................PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, DEMOCRAT EXTRAORDINARE.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:42 PM

4. The FReepers

are screeching about #16 & #17

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:06 PM

5. I don't see why gun nuts object to this.

 

I'm a gun nut, and I don't see the big deal. I don't object to ANY of these executive orders.

#16 ---> If you object to a doctor asking, just refuse to answer. If you MUST answer, just lie and say "no".

#17 ---> Don't make threats of violence and you won't get reported for making threats of violence.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:08 PM

6. Yeah, the ACA is clear that a doctor can't be *forced* to ask that

but they also can't be forced not to ask it.

Call me crazy, but as a non-doctor I think the amount of input non-doctors should have into what doctors can and can't ask should be something around the level of 0.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:16 PM

8. Those are mostly meaningless changes

Especially 16.

They aren't taking anything away. And why wouldn't they want people that are violently crazy to be reported? It makes no sense.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:25 PM

11. # 16

# 16 is no biggie. I've seen the actual bit about whether or not doctors can ask about guns. According to the ACA they can ask about guns, but they can not record or report what the answers are. They can only report to law enforcement if a person threatens to harm themselves or another... just like #17 says... but that's already in place, has been for years, and I thought it was common knowledge. Here they are required to report any threats of violence or harm to law enforcement.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:09 PM

7. 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 18, 19, 22, and 23 are all things the NRA calls for

or did until an hour ago.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:20 PM

9. Forgetting Something?

Aren't we forgetting something in all of these executive orders? What's going to be done about people who illegally own guns? Actual criminals who don't purchase their guns legally? Or whats going to be done about the black market for guns in general? You know, those guys that sell guns out of the trunk of their cars? That are known criminals, selling to other known criminals? I really see nothing in all these executive orders that will put any kind of stop to the black market trade? Also just curious about #2... What are these "unnecessary" legal barriers in HIPAA that are preventing the states from making information available? That's what HIPAA is there for, to protect the privacy of the patient. I think in the end all that removing "unnecessary" legal barriers because of HIPPA will do is stop people who own guns that have (or suspect they may have) a mental health disorder from seeing doctors to get help. And also, about #16 the ACA doesn't in anyway prevent doctors from asking patients about guns in their homes, but it DOES prevent them from recording/reporting the information their patient gives them regarding guns in their home. I thought #17 was already common knowledge. In my state doctors are required to report to law enforcement if any patient threatens to harm themselves or others. Im kind of shocked that #12 isn't already being done. I dont know. I don't think any of these will really help anything. And weren't most people upset about rights being infringed BEFORE he announced what the executive orders were? Now that his orders have been released Im sure no ones screaming about it now, I don't think any of these infringe on anyone's rights to own a firearm anymore then the background checks already in place do.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

10. Just WTF does Arne Duncan know about mental health?

I think a national dialogue about mental health is probably useful.

Especially a dialogue that engages what citizenship responsibilities look like around mental health of family and associated.

His original degree is in sociology. Before deforming schools in Chicago, his claim to fame was developing a school based on financial literacy.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:30 PM

12. I'm not screaming about any of them.

I'm a little concerned that we may end up stigmatizing mental health and not sure we are protecting confidentiality properly here but I'm nowhere near screaming or even poo pooing, if done properly these measure seem reasonable.

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Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:35 PM

13. Please remember that these are the paid hacks of the NRA

and they are paid to repeat memes not to read the Constitution

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