To Gun Owners - Tough shit!

[jillan]

When too many people were causing car accidents because they were driving drunk - stricter drunk driving laws came into place.

When it was proven that wearing seatbelts in automobiles saved lives - wearing a seatbelt became law.

When it was proven that wearing a motorcycle helmet saves brain injuries - helmet laws were passed.

When people started using pseudoephedrine, a chemical found in decongestants, to make meth - allergy sufferers became limited to how much they could purchase, to show id, and electronically sign for their over the counter allergy medicine.

When people started screaming FIRE in a crowded movie theatre, laws were passed on that.... and that was a direct infringement on the 1st Amendment.

(Duers - please feel free to add to this list)

A handful of crazy people went on shooting sprees where innocent people were killed & YES -
A few bad apples DO spoil the whole bunch.
Now it's your turn to make changes to your life style.

And all I have to say to you is Tough Shit! Deal with it!!

[Lint Head]

1. And when shit is tough one gets constipated. Maybe the gun loons running the NRA and GOA will

finally just become one big fat turd and explode into oblivion.

[Bonhomme Richard]

2. I'm a gun owner and I don't have a problem with any of it.

I do see the "Assault Rifle" ban as kind of theater because the real issue is magazine capacity. Cutting the number of rounds in the magazine serves the same purpose.My take is that they have to make the existing large capacity magazines either completely illegal or, at the minimum, make it a felony to take one out of your house if you decide to keep them.
Think of the economic boon to the smaller capacity magazine manufacturers when the larger mags have to be replaced.

[gateley]

3. A distinction needs to be made -- there are millions of gun owners who are safe and sane.

It's the extreme whacks that need to be quieted.

[jillan]

6. That's true - but changes have to be made & it's too bad if they don't like them.

I grumble under my breath every time I have to stand in line, get my id out and electronically sign for my Advil Cold & Sinus - which I need in order to breathe.... but I do it because I understand that a few ruined it for allergy suffers like myself.

We all have to adapt when necessary.

And this time it is the gun owners turn, whether they are sane or not.

[gateley]

13. I understand your point -- and great example about the Advil!

I think the majority of gun owners are willing to comply and see the need. As always, it's the rabid element that is screaming holy hell. The ones who have their pictures taken with their infants playing with a gun. Sick.

[Go Vols]

4. What is this "tough shit"

I have to deal with?

[jillan]

7. Any changes that will be made while purchasing a gun, limitations on the number of rounds a clip

can hold -

and anything else that may occur because a handful of nuts went on shooting sprees.

[hack89]

8. I wouldn't call that a lifestyle change

background checks are normal. The clip thing not a big deal - pure security theater but if it makes you feel safer then why not.

Nothing being proposed is retroactive so it is not like I have actually turn in my guns. I will go on living my life like nothing happened.

[jillan]

10. Good. I hope there are more gun owners that feel like you do.

[Go Vols]

14. It won't affect me either,

as will be the same with most gun owners.

[rustydog]

5. I amandalways will be a gun owner

I have no problem with Obama's proposals at all.

I'm still here,no gubmint tank outside my door with occupants demanding my guns!
Damn...

[regjoe]

9. Sorry

"Now it's your turn to make changes to your life style."

But there are no lifestyle changes that need to be made. Not sure what you think the President has done, but lifestyles are pretty much the same as before the Presidents speech.

[hack89]

11. I think you will be very disappointed in the final result.

All of the President's OEs are good and I support them - but they are very limited in scope.

The big things you want like an AWB are beyond his power to deliver - Democratic leaders have already said an AWB is not possible and a ban on high capacity mags and universal background checks are the best they can hope to achieve.

[Demo_Chris]

12. To the OP: do you think the President did something meaningful here?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. The recognized rights you list require an action on the part of the offender,

i.e. there may be a prohibition to trying to incite panic in crowded places but there is no prohibition on talking in movie theaters in general or even saying the word, "fire" in particular. The intent of the person is taken into consideration as the law errs on the side of not infringing inherent rights and seeks to minimize intrusions into those rights.

Other laws such as wearing seat belts and motorcycle helmets do not infringe on rights as driving a car or riding a motorcycle are not viewed as rights. I don't know about every state but near as I can tell a drivers license says that if you refuse a sobriety test -- a clear violation of the 5th Amendment -- you forfeit the privilege of being allowed to drive.

[smirkymonkey]

16. Bravo!

[Courtesy Flush]

17. When OWS protesters were getting their skull cracked

during peaceful protests, the RW gun nuts were absolutely gleeful. First Amendment be damned. Second is all they cared about.

[forestpath]

18. K&R Love your post title!

[davidn3600]

19. Seriously...you really think these laws make any difference?

[Berserker]

20. To Gun Grabbers - Tough Shit!

And as my President stated today: Most gun owners are responsible and law-abiding, and they use their guns safely.
The President strongly believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. 1/16/2013
Drink it in!

[pkdu]

28. Wait til we tell you he was thinking "Muskets" when he said "arms"... Problem now? Nt

[Taitertots]

21. Republicans will be saying the same thing to us when they undo 50 years of progressive progress...

Because people are acting paranoid despite steadily decreasing violent crime.

Do you think saying "tough shit" to millions of people is going to be anything but counter productive in a democracy?

[libdem4life]

22. Child Safety/infant seats in the back seat.

In California, skateboarders have to wear helmets and elbow and knee pads.

[Crepuscular]

23. feel good

Emotionally, these executive orders will make a lot of people feel good that something is being done about gun violence but the reality is that they will have very little impact on reducing deaths due to guns. The unfortunate unintended consequence will be a political one, I'm afraid that these measures and anything that actually gets passed in congress will motivate the Republican base and put millions of dollars into the coffers of PAC's, that will likely result in substantial gains for the opposition in both state and congressional races in the next election cycle.

[Paladin]

24. Well Said.

Gun Enthusiasts: You have nobody but yourselves to blame for what's going down, now. If a movement comes under the control of extremists and refuses to be reasonable, then outside forces eventually come into play, to check such arrogance and impose some badly-needed responsibility. Deal with it. Your losses are your own work.

[krispos42]

26. Where have I heard that before?

Oh, yeah... conservatives talking about Muslims.


Well, if you've every wondered how conservatives could take such glee in hating Muslim and liberals... now you know.

[Hoyt]

29. What is ironic is that racism has a lot to do with why gun cultists arm up.

Your comparison is off target.

[krispos42]

31. No, I'm not.

Sorry you think so. But, except for the object of the post, what was said could have come out of any number of RW talk host's mouth.

What is true is that everything that the "gun cultists" were worried about during the first Obama term, THEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT.

They bought weapons that were formally classified as "assault weapons". Why? "Obama will push for a new assault-weapons ban!"

They bought 11+ magazines. Why? "Obama will push for a ban on high-capacity magazines!"



Mock them all you want... you, and Obama, have proven them right.

Your side mocked them for stocking up, didn't you? And yet here your side is, justifying all of their concerns and actions.

[Hoyt]

33. I almost feel your pain. Those that armed up will ultimately pay for attempts

to profit from, or skirt the coming crack-down.

[krispos42]

25. False analogies.

Why don't you just admit you like pissing off conservatives?

I mean, I guess electing Obama (twice) and repealing DADT wasn't enough, huh?

[riqster]

27. Lifestyle, Schmlifestyle

I own a rifle to scare off coyotes and other pests. It has no bearing on any lifestyle choice of mine, any more than any other useful tool we keep around the house.

Now, guitars, those are part of my lifestyle.

[Remmah2]

30. So when will they be banning cars?

Or maybe we should just ban assault trucks.

[Kalidurga]

32. Yes assault trucks should definitely be banned...

There ain't no reason for those big ass trucks on the road anyway. Plus we should all switch to hemp cars they are much lighter and probably less deadly. Peace.

[dkf]

35. Yes we should ban SUVs because they cause more damage when drunk drivers cause car crashes.

[neverforget]

36. Maybe we should just ban this stupid comparison?

[jillan]

38. I would just like to ban those ugly road hog Hummers. I never cared for those....

[progressoid]

39. OFFS

[morningfog]

40. If that is all the gunners have left to argue, they have long lost the debate.

[Remmah2]

43. Actually

We're not the ones that first proposed regulating guns like cars.

We seem to have better memories.

[morningfog]

44. The double-down!

[Remmah2]

46. Consider.

The gun discussions were propogated by gun grabbers in the GD.

We just responded.

[Politicub]

34. +1

[bluerum]

37. When people post vitriolic thought vomit I use the "Trash this thread" button.

I highly recommend it.

[Javaman]

41. One point...

"When people started screaming FIRE in a crowded movie theater, laws were passed on that.... and that was a direct infringement on the 1st Amendment."

there is no "infringement" on the first amendment.

You can scream fire in a theater, but just realize that just because you are allowed to, doesn't mean you are free of the consequences of such an action.

You can yell fire all you want, but if you incite a riot as a result then be prepared to go to jail.

See how it works?

[MadHound]

42. You might want to rethink some of your examples,

For instance, the push by MADD and other groups to toughen up drunk driving laws has led to some of the more draconian of civil liberties violations that we have today.

It was proven decades before there was a law mandating seatbelts that seatbelts saved lives. We didn't get the law until the eighties because the Big 3 motor companies lobbied against it since the fifties.

There are still plenty of states where you aren't required to wear a motorcycle helmet.

The restrictions on pseudoephedrine have done nothing to stop the manufacturing of meth, the meth makers simply have switched to other methods. Meanwhile, those same restrictions have caused massive amounts of suffering by the rest of the population of the US.

Just saying.

[Seeking Serenity]

45. AMEN!