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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:01 PM

 

Majority of Gun Violence Related to Illegal Drugs, Which Government in Enabling, not preventing

If we're going to talk about guns, we have to talk about the drug war, the cause of most gun violence in this country.

The government wastes billions every year on the drug war, pretending to stop it, while enabling bankers to launder the money with no prosecution.

Then they lock people up for smoking a joint. This is outrageous, we have to do something about this.

They have locked up people's friends and family members, for decades.

Many families are forced into poverty because their bread winner is in prison for smoking pot.

This is unacceptable


The banks' laundering transactions were so brazen that the NSA probably could have spotted them from space. Breuer admitted that drug dealers would sometimes come to HSBC's Mexican branches and "deposit hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, in a single day, into a single account, using boxes designed to fit the precise dimensions of the teller windows."

Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.

So the executives who spent a decade laundering billions of dollars will have to partially defer their bonuses during the five-year deferred prosecution agreement? Are you fucking kidding me? That's the punishment? The government's negotiators couldn't hold firm on forcing HSBC officials to completely wait to receive their ill-gotten bonuses? They had to settle on making them "partially" wait? Every honest prosecutor in America has to be puking his guts out at such bargaining tactics. What was the Justice Department's opening offer asking executives to restrict their Caribbean vacation time to nine weeks a year?


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213#ixzz2IA5NaICy

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Reply Majority of Gun Violence Related to Illegal Drugs, Which Government in Enabling, not preventing (Original post)
Follow The Money Jan 2013 OP
Indydem Jan 2013 #1
randome Jan 2013 #2
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #3
bowens43 Jan 2013 #4
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #6
Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2013 #5
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #9
samsingh Jan 2013 #7
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #10
samsingh Jan 2013 #16
Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #17
One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #8
Robb Jan 2013 #11
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #12
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #13
Romulox Jan 2013 #14
Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #15

Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:03 PM

1. No no. Most gun violence is the NRA.

amiright?

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:05 PM

2. Decriminalization of marijuana should be on the table.

But the drug 'war' will never be ended if the goal is to prevent as much cocaine and heroin as possible from entering the country. I am all for interdiction efforts for that.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:07 PM

3. A robust social safety net, good schools, access to higher education, and

plenty of good paying jobs would reduce black market activities. When it is nigh impossible to make a decent living through legit means, many people with choose crime.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:10 PM

4. ALL gun violence involves guns...

See that common denominator?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:15 PM

6. yes take the guns, but people who commit crimes don't tend to follow laws

 


so drug runners who are already breaking the law will still kill people with guns.

so you have to end the drug war too.

The government is only pretending to fight the drug war, so why are we wasting this money which is causing gun violence?

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:10 PM

5. Anything but guns...

right, noob? Your message is consistant, and loud and clear.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:25 PM

9. no take the guns, but everyone is already talking about that, was trying to add to the topic

 

we need to shut down the drug war as well,

and hold these bankers accountable.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:17 PM

7. so we've moved from video games to drugs?

after the nra has been found to be selling the same violent video games they were blaming?

gun violence is due to GUNS

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Response to samsingh (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:27 PM

10. the NRA is selling violent video games?

 



and they off all people blaming video games, that is hilarious.

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Response to Follow The Money (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:37 PM

16. and contemptable beyond words

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Response to samsingh (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:15 PM

17. Are you seriously implying that the illegal drug trade has nothing to do with gun violence?

Please, in many major cities 80% of all black on black murder is drug related. In the southwest, the drug cartels are a modern day militia. If it is time to change some things, let's change them.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:20 PM

8. Didn't see anything to reduce Bartering Handguns for Drugs

Although local law enforcement knows it's a significant source of firearms in the hands of local gangs.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:29 PM

11. Who says the majority is "related" to illicit drugs?

Am I not seeing it at the link? Because DOJ puts gang violence at around 6% of all gun violence.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:55 PM

12. Hm. How many threads are you going to open on this topic?

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:03 PM

13. That's only true because we don't consider gun suicides gun violence.

Homicides hover around 8500 per year, of which gang related homicides hover between 1600 and 2500 per year. Gun suicides hover around 17000

For some reason the public worries about people shooting others, but worry much less about people shooting themselves.

That oversight is quite curious considering how many of the mass shootings are suicide-homicides, don't you think?


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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:05 PM

14. The Drug War is worth sacrificing any/everything for. Also, please don't compare it to Prohibition.

There are NO lessons to be learned from Prohibition of alcohol with regard to the War on Drugs. NONE.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:07 PM

15. Drug prohibition engenders criminal violence, yes, including gun violence.

That shouldn't be seen as a diversion from gun control, though.

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