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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:22 PM

 

President Obama says what I have been saying-my rights inc. peaceful assembly are violated

my rights to life
my rights to pursuit of happiness
my rights to assemble peacefully in a theatre
my rights to assemble peacefully in a restaurant
my rights to assemble peacefully in a supermarket
my rights to assemble peacefully in a school
my rights to assemble peacefully in a football game

my basic rights violated by a gun and a bullet

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Reply President Obama says what I have been saying-my rights inc. peaceful assembly are violated (Original post)
graham4anything Jan 2013 OP
Indydem Jan 2013 #1
FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #6
Indydem Jan 2013 #8
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #9
Indydem Jan 2013 #11
G_j Jan 2013 #13
Blue State Bandit Jan 2013 #14
FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #15
LP2K12 Jan 2013 #2
Loudly Jan 2013 #4
Indydem Jan 2013 #10
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #7
LP2K12 Jan 2013 #12
CANDO Jan 2013 #28
LP2K12 Jan 2013 #29
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #3
zipplewrath Jan 2013 #5
regjoe Jan 2013 #16
graham4anything Jan 2013 #17
regjoe Jan 2013 #18
graham4anything Jan 2013 #19
regjoe Jan 2013 #22
jillan Jan 2013 #24
regjoe Jan 2013 #27
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #20
graham4anything Jan 2013 #21
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #31
kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #32
jillan Jan 2013 #23
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #25
keithmkr59255us Jan 2013 #26
indepat Jan 2013 #30

Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:33 PM

1. By a .003% chance.

Yeah, right.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:58 PM

6. What do you mean by that?

N/t

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Response to FunkyLeprechaun (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:59 PM

8. That's the chance.

Murders by firearms are 3 per 100,000

.003% chance.

That is your chance of being murdered by a firearm.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:00 PM

9. Dry your eyes, suck it up, and stand there an extra 5 minutes for the background check. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:02 PM

11. I have no issues with a background check.

Was there someplace I said that I did?

The OP isn't talking about a background check.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:11 PM

13. Oy

Tell that to the families and friends of the the people recently slaughtered. I am sure they will feel reassured.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:13 PM

14. Tell that to the 9347 Americans your formula represents.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:25 PM

15. When I visited the US last year for a friend's wedding

I had asked a friend as to why steel-point darts were not allowed (as we played with soft point tips), she said they were banned due to health and safety measures.

Then I thought to myself, "And guns are allowed in bars."

The way I look at it, it's a health-and-safety perspective- if people carry a gun around the risk of other people getting shot by that gun increases. I had lived in the US for 25 years and I've visited occasionally since and I've never thought about carrying a gun.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:36 PM

2. You omitted a right...

The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in a level of violence, called reasonable force or defensive force, for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including, in certain circumstances, the use of deadly force.

Oh, that's right. Violate one to protect the others.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:46 PM

4. There can be no right of access to the means of convenient murder.

 

No one's genuine rights mean a damn thing if they can be extinguished at the sole whim of a shooter.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:58 PM

7. Your support for people who don't give a damn about the mass murder of children is duly noted.

No one's gun rights trump ANYONE'S right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:05 PM

12. The POTUS disagrees...

He reaffirmed his support of the 2A and right to own.

He's not taking away firearms, just regulating them more. Which I'm fine with.

Again, the POTUS agrees it's a right. They aren't going anywhere.

However, 10 rounds magazines and no "assault rifles" is fine. I agree with that.

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:29 PM

28. The right of self defense, MY ASS!

I'm 48 years old and not once in my life have I ever been threatened in any manner in which I needed a firearm for response. Does it happen? Yes. How often? Not very. You are safer by never being deluded and paranoid enough to think you need to carry a lethal weapon around with you. That just increases the chance that you or others near you will be injured or killed with the weapon you are carrying.

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Response to CANDO (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:03 PM

29. Again...

The POTUS disagrees.

He says the 2A is a right.

He isn't taking away ALL firearms.

He's limiting ammo capacity, types of rifles and who can access those firearms.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:38 PM

3. "by a gun and a bullet " AND by police and mayors

good to know the crazies have an obstacle to shooting at crowds
but
would have been a hell of alot happier if mayors or Oakland, Boston, Seattle, New York and etc etc etc
had been forbidden to taze, tear gas, attack and beat up people who were violating our rights to assemble peacefully in protest.
THAT right has been taken away and never addressed on a national level.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:56 PM

5. By the government?

Your rights are ignored and violated by many, especially free speech. It is the government that is particularly restricted from doing as such. Now those guys with the pepper spray.......

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:34 PM

16. How does a 'gun and a bullet'

 

keep you from enjoying any of those priviledges?

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Response to regjoe (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:43 PM

17. takes away my life, therefore I couldn't enjoy life, liberty or pursuit of happiness when dead

 

speaking of dead- the NRA has died, passed away. They like the Knight who said Ni, just don't realize it yet.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:02 PM

18. The NRA is of no interest to me

 

Your weird comment though, is.

The fact is, no 'gun or bullet' has taken away your life nor do they prevent you from enjoying the movies or sporting event. Your "right" to "assemble peacefully" has not been lost.

You need a new argument. Preferably one that is valid and not on a 2nd grade level like "precious."

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Response to regjoe (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:20 PM

19. One can't assemble peacefully when a rightwing extremist is shooting up the place

 

Guns and bullets kill

because the same people, if carrying a ping pong ball or bowling ball, could not quickly kill
26 people in an instant

carrying a gun is the killer
not the person
the gun
the bullet

and these bullets as Al Sharpton said, when used for hunting, get rid of any semblance of meat left on the animal debunking the hunting meme

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:55 PM

22. LOL!

 

Not "when" but IF.
Your use of the word "when" though, explains what is behind your totally unfounded opinion: fear. Despite the fact that mass shootings are very rare and despite the fact that most of us are probably within 100 ft. of a weapon numerous times a day and don't get shot, you actually seem to believe that you are going to be killed at any moment. That's no different than believing the government is going to come and get your guns every time gun control is mentioned.

And I doubt Sharpton has ever been hunting, especially if he says a .223 will "get rid of any semblance of meat left on the animal." You see, there are small calibers and large calibers and the one you choose should be based on the size of the animal.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:06 PM

24. Oh jeez! Keep your head in the sand all you want. But



this has become a reality that has been pushed upon way too many American Citizens.

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Response to jillan (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:19 PM

27. Yes it has

 

but despite the fact that 'guns and bullets' are everywhere, the OP has not lost the "right" to "assemble peacefully" wherever they want.
The OPs rhetoric fails on every level.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:27 PM

20. No they aren't. You are alive, you may pursue happiness and probably find it as often as any

Millions peaceably assemble in theaters every week, check the box office numbers.

You asserted that you peaceably assembled in a restaurant yourself and remarked that so many others peaceably assembled that there was an hour and a half wait.

Hundreds of millions peaceably assemble in grocery stores, in little shops in my city and all over, and big box stores all day, every day.

I don't know about a school, I can't even peaceably assemble at the school I graduated from without permission(if I need permission, it can't bea right but rather a privilege) during school hours but I can go to games and various events, not once has the government bothered me in doing so.

I didn't see empty seats at this weekend's playoff games, maybe you ought to try buying a ticket.

Our rights are natural, they exist at all times. Enumerated rights are guarantees from the government violating them and that the government has some obligation to ensuring them.

Your rights have not been violated as claimed and are just as subject to violation with hands, a baseball bat, a knife, a piece of fruit in the windpipe, or a bolt of lightening.

If some has violated your rights then take legal action but they haven't, afraid someone potentially might isn't the same thing and has been part and parcel of life since before humanity.

Potentially might covers a lot of ground and applies to the existence in the universe. A meteor might possibly bonk you in the head and take you out but your rights are not violated, you can sure as hell go right to the game but the fear of that space rock popping you is on you.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:30 PM

21. funny you mention ball games (or a concert)

 

I have been frisked for 30-40 years at Madison Square Garden in NYC going to sport events and concerts, every single time. They frisk everyone.

There are cops lining the place, and cops inside.

Uniformed cops.

There are baricades, and the cops are ARMED.

Therefore, yes, I feel perfectly safe at Madison Square Garden, because they kept the problems out.

So, you agree, then, we should have federal/state/local law enforcement at every single place on the street, making it safe, right?

Because you just made my point for me.

thank you!

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 09:48 AM

31. No, I don't think any such thing and you made my point

Your "feeling safe" or not has nothing to do with the existence of your rights.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:00 AM

32. Obama's a fucking hypocrite. if Peaceable Assembly mattered to him as a right

guaranteed by the First Amendment, then what was his FBI and DHS doing coordinating the suppression of peaceful OWS demonstrators and labeling them terrorists?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:58 PM

23. YES!!!!

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:07 PM

25. Rights are secured against the government. Is the government shooting you?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:53 PM

30. In America, all your other rights are subordinated to, and will continue to be subordinated to,

the right of others to pack heat, even an assault weapon with a 100-round magazine on the hip, 'cause that right is, for all practical purposes, considered our only sacred right. Therefore, we must just hope and take care to never be in the wrong place at the wrong time ever. This nation, with great deliberation, spends $100s of billions annually to best assure that no American ever dies on American soil at the hand of foreign terrorists/other foreign action while nonchalantly doing nothing meaningful to stop the continuing carnage inflicted by domestic terrorists who pack weapons of mass carnage or other firearms, as witness to the 900+ killings since the Newtown massacre.

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