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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 AM

So today 58% support an assault weapons ban.

Seems like the political will is growing.

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Reply So today 58% support an assault weapons ban. (Original post)
upaloopa Jan 2013 OP
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #1
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #3
upaloopa Jan 2013 #4
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #5
Cary Jan 2013 #9
upaloopa Jan 2013 #13
Cary Jan 2013 #17
Recursion Jan 2013 #2
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #6
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #7
upaloopa Jan 2013 #8
Lex Jan 2013 #10
Recursion Jan 2013 #18
Lex Jan 2013 #19
onehandle Jan 2013 #11
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #12
Cary Jan 2013 #14
Bodega Bandit Jan 2013 #15
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #16
Lex Jan 2013 #20
upaloopa Jan 2013 #22
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #23
upaloopa Jan 2013 #24
frylock Jan 2013 #26
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #29
tk2kewl Jan 2013 #21
frylock Jan 2013 #25
hack89 Jan 2013 #27
phillipstd Jan 2013 #28

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:39 AM

1. 80% support tighter control on the mentally ill and they don'd have an NRA sized lobby

to protect them.

Which category do you think is most likely to be acted on?

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:43 AM

3. It's the Fifth Amendment, somewhere aroun-, left it somewh.....nt

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:44 AM

4. How do you control mentally ill ?

It's an illness not a crime to be mentally ill.
I have a mental illness should I be controlled?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:47 AM

5. Society wants more control of the mentally ills' access to guns.

That's from a Pew poll.

It doesn't name what they might do, it just puts them on the poll so that the position of high capacity magazines and AWB poll much further down the list.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:07 AM

9. Well, yes.

You should be controlled in a loving, caring and functional way so that you can reach your own potential.

It's not an easy task. You're right. Mental illness is not a crime.

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Response to Cary (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:11 AM

13. Well I'm lucky I guess. I have a good doctor

and a loving wife. My mother in law on the other hand, well let's not go into that

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:16 AM

17. I wish you all the best. n/t

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:42 AM

2. I'd imagine most of them think it bans semi-automatic rifles

Sigh

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:47 AM

6. I consider it bogus to ask this question until someone explains what an "assault weapon" is

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:48 AM

7. Expect that to vary from state to state.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:52 AM

8. That's never going to happen. As soon as there

is a valid definition the manufacturers will find a way to get around it.
I think you should be prepared to give up on that idea. It's just not going to be the case that you will be satisfied.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:10 AM

10. It has happened in other countries so I expect it will happen

here eventually. It's not like the law cannot be written and updated periodically.

The public's will is growing and the NRA is looking more foolish by the hour.

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Response to Lex (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:17 AM

18. No, it hasn't. Other countries banned (or highly restricted) semi-automatics.

The US is the only country that has tried to do it this way, by regulating what a semi-automatic weapon can and can't look like. Other countries simply highly restricted access to all semi-automatic weapons, whatever they look like. That's probably a good idea.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:18 AM

19. Whatever it takes. nt

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:11 AM

11. A Kindergartner Eraser. nt

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:11 AM

12. Won't be enough to take on the gun lobby.

 

It has to be about 70% or more, so an assault weapons ban is out, but high capacity magazines are probably in.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:13 AM

14. We should amend the Second Amendment

It was written in a totally different age with a purpose that is no longer applicable. We aren't afraid of our standing army and if we had reason to be afraid there's really not a lot that weapons would be able to do about it.

Isn't passive resistance more effective than violence?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:15 AM

15. There is no reason...

for the public to have death spewers. Guns are on their way out.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:16 AM

16. I am all for gun control but nobody asked over 300 million people their opinion either

 

I was not asked nor were my wife or any of my friends.

so 58% of how many respondents?

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:09 PM

22. Have you ever studied statistics?

You take a random sample. If it is truly a random sample, (everyone in the sample population has the same chance of being picked) what is true about the sample is true about the population it was drawn from within the margin of error. The larger the sample the lower the margin of error.
So they don't have to ask you or your wife.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:34 PM

23. And if you ever studied statistics you would know it is more about art than math

In college my statistics professor said that statistics should not be part of mathematics. Mathematics is about absolutes and things that can proven. 2+2=4. You can prove with 100% certainty that statement is true and not many will dispute you.

You can't do this with statistics. Statistical polls are wrong 100% of the time. The only question is how wrong are they? The margin of error depends on far more than just the sample size. Who did they sample? All adults? American citizens? Anyone that picked up the phone? Likely voters?
Then you got to look at how the questions are worded. Are they specific? Is the question loaded? How would most people perceive the question?

You can influence the results simply by changing the wording of the question. The fact this question asks about "assault weapons" puts the whole thing into question. Because every person in this country seems to have a different definition of what an assault weapon is. So when you ask these people if they favor an assault weapons ban, they don't think of it in the way the government is thinking of it...they are thinking of it as they themselves define it. Which means you would tend to skew the results in the favorable side.

Everything needs to be clearly defined for there to be standard across all people.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:45 PM

24. Bull shit!

You can't dismiss all polls as 100% wrong all the time. On edit: I don't disagree with much you say but the post said he wasn't asked so I gave the reason he didn't need to be asked.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:34 PM

26. maybe they tried to call, but you weren't home or didn't pick up

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Response to frylock (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:54 PM

29. Have caller ID no calls at all for the last 2 weeks

 

so I question the metholodgy.

Did you know according to a national survey 80% of America thinks Hot Coffee Enemas are a great first date ice breaker!

Statistics are fun!

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:43 AM

21. that is a big number

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:32 PM

25. 55% support AWB, 58% support banning semi-auto weapons

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:38 PM

27. The only thing that concerns politicians is what actual voters think

those are the polls that are being studied very closely.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:49 PM

28. semi auto or "assault" weapon not the problem

 

you can shoot just as fast with a lever action that holds 12+ rounds, banning a black gun, a semi auto gun, a pistol, a gun with a bayonet like ones used in the civil war, will only piss off legal gun owners and make them vote conservative next time around. most people support this because they do not understand that it includes most guns. You would be singing a different song if they were taking away the first amendment....

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