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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:01 AM

People Denying Sandy Hook Massacre Remind Me Of Holocaust Deniers

Denying that much pain and suffering is a level of hate against a group of people that is pathological and inimical to a functional society.

And also what disturbs me greatly is that these are people for whom guns are an extension of their identity. They apparently feel threatened and victimized.

From the research I've done since Sandy Hook, it seems that gun ownership in America is about 35-40%. And of those 35%, maybe half of those people own multiple guns. And of that small minority who own multiple guns, even fewer own an arsenal and go out to buy even MORE guns every time a Democrat gets elected. And it's this tiny group that is so paranoid, they take the bait for Sandy Hook Massacre denial and run with it.

On the one hand, I want this very small freakish minority to be further marginalized and yet if that happens, the more potential for these few people to produce someone who will do something really stupid/destructive.

Sure wish there was something that could help defuse this situation. It is a stinking, fetid mess.

Perhaps confronting the NRA on an organized scale might help.

These freaks are a very small minority, yet because of the NRA, they get more visibility and their numbers are inflated. And the NRA & gun industry feeds off these people.

If only some celebrities who own guns could start a campaign "the NRA doesn't speak for me". Some kind of public awareness campaign.

I just don't know. But I think the NRA needs to be confronted & countered successfully.

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Reply People Denying Sandy Hook Massacre Remind Me Of Holocaust Deniers (Original post)
KittyWampus Jan 2013 OP
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #1
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
Separation Jan 2013 #3
Archae Jan 2013 #5
freshwest Jan 2013 #9
quinnox Jan 2013 #13
Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #4
freshwest Jan 2013 #6
Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #7
freshwest Jan 2013 #12
Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #14
freshwest Jan 2013 #19
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #25
quinnox Jan 2013 #8
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #10
AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #11
Separation Jan 2013 #15
tarheelsunc Jan 2013 #16
quinnox Jan 2013 #20
tarheelsunc Jan 2013 #23
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #17
Evoman Jan 2013 #18
BainsBane Jan 2013 #21
Dorian Gray Jan 2013 #24
LeftInTX Jan 2013 #22
southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #26
Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #27
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #28
LibertyLover Jan 2013 #29

Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:09 AM

1. They are....

....exactly the same kooks as the Holocaust deniers.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:12 AM

2. Yep!!! n/t

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:33 AM

3. One thing I've learned

Is not to be surprised by the completely ridiculous things some people believe. Today as a matter of fact I found out that a co-worker actually believes that the earth is hollow and people live in the center of the earth. Something about a hole at the North Pole. Talk about being gobsmacked.

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Response to Separation (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:46 AM

5. I used to work with a guy who believed in Santa Claus.

North Pole workshop, flying reindeer, the works.
Why did this 40+ year old guy believe like this.
"He saw them one night."

I asked him if it was possible he had had a vivid dream.
Nope. "He saw the flying sleigh!"

Now you can guess this guy was mostly harmless.
But take that same level of belief, and add fundy religion, or nasty politics, racial hatred, etc, and you've got terrorists, sociopathic criminals, or rabble rousers like Rush or Alex Jones.

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Response to Separation (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:55 AM

9. Been watching youtube, no doubt. They've got a whole cosmology they believe in, a lot of them.

Hollow Earth, Hollow Moon and bases on Mars. It's great entertainment, but should be viewed as science fiction.


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Response to Separation (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:11 AM

13. The hollow earth theory goes back a long ways

 

This book is supposed to be a good history of it.

Hollow Earth: The Long and Curious History of Imagining Strange Lands, Fantastical Creatures, Advanced Civilizations, and Marvelous Machines Below the Earth's Surface

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:37 AM

4. Double down on them. Challenge them. We will win this.

 

Stupid people who love their guns, hate Obama, and don't trust New England are ripe for this kind of magical realism.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:51 AM

6. Most disturbing thing was the troofers hasseling Rosen in public were locals.

The northeast went through the racist campaign of Brown vs Warren. I never expected to see that in MA. Some of our members posted saying what was going on in the area. It may be simply a rural thing. Newtown is out in the woods, a lovely area. But the ones hassling him on the phone and online were from out of state. They may have been Texans as that is Infowars headquarters. I don't know what's happened in the northeast, which is thought of being very blue. But they've got Warren and good people and voted for Obama. They aren't with this radical group, for the most part.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:53 AM

7. There are other reasons he is being harrassed. His last name is a big clue.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:10 AM

12. Definitely, they've made clear that's an issue. It is with Jones, and it was also brought up about

the little boy's mom who followed the custom of the faster burial, and made sure the damage done by the shooter to her boy was seen. Now that family is said to be moving from their home.

CTers talk about banksters, Agenda 21, toss in Jewish names, then finally get down to the 'protocols of zion' but claim they aren't anti-semitic. The themes are just too similar for me.

Sure, this isn't Germany in the thirties, and things are different, even if it feels that way. But seeing this now, I can't help but wonder, did we learn nothing from WW2?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:17 AM

14. Many of the lessons of the Holocaust are being lost...quickly.

It is amazing how they tie all the things together. Within 12 hours of the tragedy, my morbid curiosity got the best of me. I googled the name of the shooter and "Jew." There were only about 40 links which were espousing a connection; the others just happen to have both targets in the link. Within 24 hours, there over 100. I just told another poster how many of the "Mossad is responsible" theories are taking off on CT sites. Most the truly anti-Semitic crap is still on the far fringes...for now.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:30 AM

19. Infowars pushed the Mossad thing about 911, too. There'a reason why Jones is on the SPLC hate list.

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He also does an annual show on the USS Liberty - which Jones, and Corsi and these others say was an unprovoked attack by Israel, killing Americans. But that the 'Jewish lobby' that controls the USA covered it up.

I hate to see Jones or any of them given air time, such as they've recieved on CNN, Fox, even The View and others. Their influence is going mainstream. They are in the legislatures. It's scary.

There's no use denying it since Obama was elected in 2008. I don't just mean television. It's a big part of the Tea Party dog whistles on the campaign trail. The Koch brothers who are paying for a lot of this were involved with bad regimes in Europe prior and during WW2.

True, stormfront and such are fringe now, but they have more influence than I ever imagined they would have. Jones and those who buy into this are the milder version, but they're essentially saying Israeli is killing us, and that's poison.


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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:59 PM

25. I hadn't even thought of that angle >Mossad. ugh

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:53 AM

8. I don't think the NRA is behind this

 

I bet this theory is too whacked out to touch, even for them. There is no way to stop speculative theories like this in a free society.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:58 AM

10. They might be worse...

We got a look at some of the events in real time. The Holocaust happened nearly 70 years ago. It is a lot easier for me to see someone thinking that the whole thing was a set up pictures faked and things like that. I think they are incredibly stupid for this belief, but it did occur in most cases outside the deniers time. This massacre though, we saw pictures of children coming out nearly as soon as it happened.

The other thing is the way they have ganged up on someone just for giving those kids some comfort and a place to stay until their parents could come and get them. It's unfreaking believable how they are ganging up on this guy and making threats. Holocaust deniers don't usually gang up on people that don't deny the Holocaust, they might get in a shouting match with you but it's not like they will call up their buddies and have you harassed.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:58 AM

11. Yeah, I agree with you on that.

Seriously, what the FUCK is up with that?

The nerve of some people.....

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:20 AM

15. It would seem that the gene pool is in need of some chlorine.

I've had two posts on FB today linking to a YouTube Sandy Hook video. I will admit my curiosity wants to watch it, if not for anything to be able to see what I'm dealing with. But I am currently out of nausea medicine.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:21 AM

16. The "Sandy Hook Hoax" paranoia is some of the most revolting behavior I have ever seen.

Anything that happens under this President's administration is taken by these crazy people to be some sort of hoax or cover up. Where Benghazi, job reports, the election, Petraeus, theater shootings, school shootings... whatever. They have no limits on what sort of disgusting comments they will make about the President. I don't remember the 9/11 crap getting so much mainstream attention. I don't remember so many people questioning why we entered Iraq. I don't remember so many people questioning a President getting elected because his brother was Governor of the most contested state. I don't remember so many people calling the President a traitor for installing the PATRIOT Act.

I wonder if some of these people are even capable of thinking rationally, or if they just believe whatever their Dear Leader Alex Jones tells them. A girl wears her sister dress the day after she died, and suddenly this must mean the girl didn't actually die? The girl's father happens to smile before speaking about his daughter's death (never mind that many people smile when they are nervous, or that a smile could have been in response to something the guy next to him said.) False information gets published in the scramble to be the first to report on the tragedy, and this must mean that all the networks, who are working together to cover this up (even FOX, I guess?), forgot which story they were using. This sort of behavior is absolutely sickening.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:31 AM

20. Yep, I looked into it, and most of it can be explained away

 

The only thing I found strange was a web page that looks like it was set up "early". I actually found a direct link to one if anyone is curious about it, it says it was created Nov. 22, 2012, and is asking for donations to the funeral services for the kids of Sandy Hook. It is kind of bizarre. I'm sure there must be a reasonable explanation for it, but this web page did seem somewhat odd to me.

http://www.gofundme.com/1k2pv4

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Response to quinnox (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:53 AM

23. I'm sure this site allows edits, Sandy Hook was probably edited in after the fact.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:23 AM

17. We need to bleed the beast. Hear me out.

People should join the NRA en masse - I mean people like US, the normal, sane crowd. And I mean tens or even hundreds of thousands of us. And once we join at the most basic level then we do everything we can think of to cost them money day in and day out, things that use their resources but do not bring in any money. Collect free literature from them and BURN IT. Make them pay for more and more and more to be printed. Call them all day and night and waste staff's time answering calls and letters and emails. Whatever the basic dues are, let's work our asses off each of us placing demands on the system that cost them MORE than they take in from the dues.

BLEED. THE. BEAST.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:28 AM

18. If you are insane enough to believe that shit, you shouldn't be anywhere near a gun.

Seriously....if you're that fucking crazy, you need to not only lose your guns, you need to put in a strait jacket.

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Response to Evoman (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:31 AM

21. +1

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Response to Evoman (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:01 AM

24. THIS!!!

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:24 AM

22. It is sick, upsetting, disgusting and scary

I feel like these people, these gun nuts, are terrorists in the making

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:04 PM

26. I know this sounds terrible but lets show the pictures of the dead children and teachers of

 

the damage that was done and how they didn't have a chance in hell. Bring those pictures to congress when they have their pow wow. Those pictures would speak for all of the murdered people across this country.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:04 PM

27. This type of insanity should be grounds for taking away their right to own a gun.

It takes a pretty crazy lunatic to believe something as far out as this.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:18 PM

28. This is unreal. The amazing thing is that the most insane people think that they

are perfectly sane. They willl never get mental health care and will therefore never be diagnosed. It is a truly scary situation. These people really think they are right, sane and justified.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:40 PM

29. Two of my cousins

are on the Sandy Hook deniers train. Neither one has more than a high school education, and poor educations at that. The one sells cars out in California. The other one is here in Maryland and bounces from one multi-level marketing scam to the next. Right now he's selling Seacrest - cosmetics made with minerals from the Dead Sea. Why, because he's a born-again Christian. Last night on Facebook and this morning both were posting stuff about how Sandy Hook had never happened or it was a government plot to grab their guns. One of them posted that he wanted to secede from the US. I got over the 'biting my tongue because they are family' and told him to go ahead since it had worked out so well for everyone the last time. Haven't heard from him back yet.

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