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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:11 PM

Anyone else see the end of Maddow show tonight?

Anyone else, for as split second, think about changing their stand on the 2nd amendment?

I did ... for a split second ...

In the end of TRMS she explained that if conservatives "firewalled" (AKA Gerrymandered) electoral votes in the battle grounds states for the presidency in 2012 as they did for the House Of Representatives then 5 million more people would've voted for Obama and Obama would've still lost.

After seeing the near sinful nature of selfishness from rMoney I could not imagine that guy running this country...

I also know the GOP is VERY VERY desperate and could care less about democracy seeing they tried to prevent millions of Americans from participating in a democratic election in 2012.

For a split second...


your take?

tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:22 PM

1. You're seeing the result of progressives sitting home and acting out during the 2010 midterms.

People, we have a fight on our hands all the way through the 2020 election. And we have to win every fight.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:27 PM

2. I liked that she showed the board where it is written that they are not to mention the 2016 election

until next November, but she felt that discussing it was too important not to...it would be awfully scary if Rombot was in office during the fiscal negotiations, as well as the pending gun laws.....

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Response to ceejdre82 (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:42 PM

6. The point is, such an arrangement would guarantee a Reoublican victory...

...no matter who their nominee was -- and it's a safe bet their 2016 candidate is going to be even worse than Rmoney.



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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:55 PM

15. I'm hoping it isn't Jeb Bush

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:29 PM

3. You should make this a stand- alone post. Especially the part...

...about having to win every fight.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:08 AM

10. maybe democrats could offer something worth voting for to get people out nt

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:06 AM

12. No kidding. I missed my local Dems meeting tonight, due to important business.

I was so looking forward to it. You can bet I will be at as many meetings going forward as possible, and engaging everyone I know from here on out. Already have been. Pissed a few off, too. I am lmao. I had to suffer their comments and FB postings throughout these last 4 years. I have been blowing it right back at them, and virtually everything i have said has been the truth. At first, when they thought they were winning they were all smug. Crickets now. I am in a "forced red" state. Meaning, the only reason it is red now is through busting the unions and shipping the remaining union members (bulk presumably Democrat) to red states like Kansas and Texas. Now they are here crowing as if we were a red state all along. No, we were a purple state all along. Plenty of Democratic wins. My congressional district was represented for years by Phil Sharp, and the district ran a little more east-west. By the time 2010 rolled around they had re-districted more north to south, to further dilute the D power, and I was represented by tea-partyer Mike Pence. Right wingers bought the local newspapers, consolidated them (two papers down to one), and then let the chamber of commerce types run the show. The brand of Republicanism I see through my lifetime is an illness on the part of those in charge, and a different illness on the part of the deceived. With enablers all around. Yep, you can bet my attendance at my local D meetings will either make or break me and the party here. If I can't give it a go here, I MUST find a district I can move to, to make a difference. As my genuine long-time friend (and tea-party buffoon) said to me over and over, "Silent no more!". Indeed, my friends, I am silent no more.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:49 PM

14. Bull

Wisconsin was a good example of Democrats being very motivated to vote Republicans out and they still lost. Walker is still governor and they increased their majority in the Legislature....This was after the 2010 elections.. Republicans are rabid... they will cheat and lie and whatever it takes to get control. Democrats just aren't like that... Remember the "good guy always finishes last"... There will have to be a major awakening or else Democrats will be sidelined from now to eternity....

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:30 PM

4. It is my hope that many of these (R) Governors will lose in 2014

so maybe we can do something about the damage they are causing before the 2016 election.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:45 PM

8. If they pass these laws between now and 2014...

...we're not only going to have to win the governorships that November, but both houses of each state legislature as well -- otherwise, any attempt to undo the damage will be killed there.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:54 PM

13. Unless we can challenge them in the courts and hold them off past 2016

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:20 PM

5. I would think

 

the majority of the people have the right to rise up against their Governor and Legislatures if they tried to rig their state's electoral process. Imagine tha majority of the people in those stae's having their Presidential votes disenfranchised. That should be an impeachable offense for those Governors and their Legislatures. I know if I were a resident of those states, I would be up in arms. If nothing else isn't stealing Democracy, then what is?

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:44 PM

7. I'm all for the 2cnd amentment.


I'm not for being able to buy a gun a month, buying high capacity mags, semi automatics or any large firearm.

If you want to exercise your right to bear arms you can have 1 sidearm, one bold action riffle. Sure it would kill all the gun nut cool stuf you can buy, but it just might kill a lot fewer kids.

Some DUes I met once pointed out that regardless of what weapons YOU have you are no match for the ground pounders of the US military. So all the those "I'm afraid of the gov'mint so I have me some weapons" aren't going to do shizzle.

It's the right wing groups that have lots of weapons right now in this country that I am more afraid of. The government not so much.


So to answer your question, if the GOPiggies tried to steal an election, have they ever done that(?), there would be a moment where good Americans would have to stand against them: let's hope peacefully at first.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:46 PM

9. saw it

I've been keeping up with this issue for months. Maddow needs to stay on it too just as she did with voter suppression (she was essentially the first to really tackle that topic over a year ago).

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:23 AM

11. kick

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