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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:03 PM

A Father's Grief: Aaron Swartz's Father Says Reddit Co-Founder Was 'Killed By The Government'

Aaron Swartz's Father Says Reddit Co-Founder Was 'Killed By The Government'
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01/15/13 07:18 PM ET EST

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This Dec. 8, 2012 photo provided by ThoughtWorks shows Aaron Swartz, in New York. Swartz, a co-founder of Reddit, hanged himself Friday, Jan. 11, 2013, in New York City. (AP Photo/ThoughtWorks, Pernille Ironside)

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HIGHLAND PARK, Ill. — Internet freedom activist Aaron Swartz was "killed by the government," his father told mourners Tuesday during his son's funeral in suburban Chicago.

Swartz, who help create Reddit and RSS, the technology behind blogs, podcasts and other web-based subscription services, was found dead Friday in his New York apartment. He was facing federal charges that alleged he illegally gained access to millions of articles from a Massachusetts Institute of Technology computer archive.

Robert Swartz said during the service in Highland Park that his son was "hounded by the government, and MIT refused him," the Chicago Sun-Times reported (). http://bit.ly/V2s8zv

"He was killed by the government, and MIT betrayed all of its basic principles," he said.


Swartz, 26, was facing charges that carried a maximum penalty of decades in prison. His trial was scheduled to begin in April.

U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz had no comment about Robert Swartz's remarks, Ortiz spokeswoman Christina DiIorio-Sterling said.

Swartz's family also lashed out against prosecutors Saturday, saying the death was "the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach."

Swartz's case highlighted society's uncertain, evolving view of how to treat people who break into computer systems and share data not to enrich themselves, but to make it available to others.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/aaron-swartz-father-says-killed-by-government_n_2482646.html


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Reply A Father's Grief: Aaron Swartz's Father Says Reddit Co-Founder Was 'Killed By The Government' (Original post)
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datasuspect Jan 2013 #20
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:18 PM

1. So few folks here seem to know what Aaron Swartz stood for (EFF, Creative Commons

Open Internet)...along with founding RSS and REDDIT and he sold REDDIT before the Scandals. He was a Prodigy....SENSITIVE whose life ended to soon.......but as a "Sensitive" he saw what was coming with Manning and Assange. With his history of Sensitivity/Depression...he felt he'd done what he came to do...and decided to "CUT OUT."

I think he will be remembered for a long time. The absence of recognition here on DU says to me that his memory is one that will take some time to be revealed for the "POWER for the FUTURE!" FREEDOM OF INFORMATION = FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!

"OPEN SOURCE...IT's THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR HUMANITY!"

Just saying.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:23 PM

2. He's One Of The Reasons DU Is Still Here.

From his website... after his death:

Aaron Swartz is the founder of Demand Progress, which launched the campaign against the Internet censorship bills (SOPA/PIPA) and now has over a million members. He is also a Contributing Editor to The Baffler and on the Council of Advisors to The Rules.

He is a frequent television commentator and the author of numerous articles on a variety of topics, especially the corrupting influence of big money on institutions including nonprofits, the media, politics, and public opinion. From 2010-11, he researched these topics as a Fellow at the Harvard Ethics Center Lab on Institutional Corruption. He also served on the board of Change Congress, a good government nonprofit.

He has also developed the site theinfo.org. His landmark analysis of Wikipedia, Who Writes Wikipedia?, has been widely cited. Working with Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee at MIT, he helped develop and popularize standards for sharing data on the Web. He also coauthored the RSS 1.0 specification, now widely used for publishing news stories.

His piece with photographer Taryn Simon, Image Atlas (2012), is has been featured in the New Museum. In 2007, he led the development of the nonprofit Open Library, an ambitious project to collect information about every book ever published. He also cofounded the online news site Reddit, where he released as free software the web framework he developed, web.py.


Link: http://www.aaronsw.com/






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Response to WillyT (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:30 PM

4. And that he was affliated with EFF who Defended "DU" when RW Group went against DU

trying to get this site for "Copyright Infringement."

He deserves more recognition around this site in his death for what he stood for...I think...anyway.

DU won the lawsuit.


Edited...sorry I'm watching PBS while posting...but, it wasn't FBI but RW Group who Sued DU for Copyright Infringement.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:34 PM

5. +... I Do Not Have A Big Enough Number...

Maybe... a Google-Plex ???






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Response to WillyT (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:57 PM

10. Very few here seem to still know about this or care, anymore.

You obviously are one who knows about this. Others will not even bother to check it out.

Whatever....

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Response to KoKo (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:01 PM

11. Most People Do Not Know How Electricity Comes To There Homes... Let Alone The Internet...

And Do Not Care To...

But when it stops coming... after they've paid their bills...

Woo Boy... look the hell out.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:29 PM

3. K&RNT

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:39 PM

6. Any 'suicide' by 'plane crashes' and 'hanging'...

....on those bucking or preventing psychopaths from getting their profit...

Sure. It is murder.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:00 PM

53. He was an incredibly smart man, and totally committed to his

cause.

I think of his suicide as a form of martyrdom, like the suicides of those Buddhist monks who burned themselves alive at the height of the Diem regime to protest its human rights outrages while we were supporting that regime during the first part of the Vietnam War.

As tragic as his suicide is, and as unforgivable as the goverment's relentless prosecutorial assault on him was, I can't help thinking that he chose to commit suicide at this point, at least in part, as a way to direct the attention of those of us who don't care where our "electricity" comes from--IOW, to make people understand that our access to information and to the internet is not something that is guaranteed, but rather soemthing that we have to constantly defend against the attempts by the powerful to restrict our access.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:45 PM

76. you're comparing this guy to Buddist monks?

this thread has officially jumped the shark

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:50 PM

7. A new variation on state terrorism. Apparently, quite effective.

No marks on the body. And the "chilling effect" behavior is incalculable.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:52 PM

8. Fire Heymann

Swartz prosecutor Stephen Heymann drove another hacker to suicide back in 2008:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262831/Revealed-Aaron-Swartz-prosecutor-drove-hacker-suicide-2008-named-cyber-crime-case.html

White House petition to fire Stephen Heymann here: http://wh.gov/Ex1n

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Response to commenter8 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:53 PM

9. Thank You For That !!!




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Response to commenter8 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:20 PM

20. a prosecutor's job is to punish

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:09 PM

32. NO IT IS NOT !!!

The prosecutor BRINGS the Case, the Jury finds for the case, the Judge (usually) takes the jury's findings and then delvers the sentence.

But the prosecutor only PUNISHES... by usurping the normal order of things.

It ain't theIr job !!!.


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Response to commenter8 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:04 PM

31. ++! That prosecutor and the US Attorney he works for should never work in law again. n/t

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Response to commenter8 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:30 PM

81. I want to see Stephen Heymann's photograph so we can hound him into submission.

He is a repulsive piece of shit that deserves to be bullied until he resigns.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:05 PM

12. actually, suicide is kinda complex

 

assigning blame for the ultimate personal decision isn't very convincing.

you can never really understand what went through this guy's mind that led him to believe suicide was the best possible solution for his problems. his problems existed prior to his violation of the law.

blaming the living for any suicide serves no purpose and it diminishes the gravity of suicide in general.

but make no mistake - suicide is a personal CHOICE - no one can make you do it.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:10 PM

13. You're right. It is complex.

DUer frazzled first posted this link elsewhere: http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/01/14/mit-hacking-case-lawyer-says-aaron-swartz-was-offered-plea-deal-six-months-behind-bars/l8Cq70KJXNWwdKlF1V0yoJ/story.html

Apparently, Swartz was offered a 4-6 month plea sentence. It's a tragedy that the guy died and that MIT and the DOJ were so intransigent, but I think it's incorrect to say that anyone wanted him to serve a 30 year sentence or that he was 'driven' to suicide.

He downloaded 'millions' of documents using false pretenses. That's no cause to lean heavily on him but it sounds like it was MIT that wanted an example to be set, not the DOJ.

The outrage on this is a little misplaced, IMO.

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Response to randome (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:13 PM

15. don't do crime that isn't worth sitting in the can for

 

old lesson from way in the past.

3 - 6 months from copping a plea?

if it went before a jury, a sympathetic judge, and good lawyer - time served and probation.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:15 PM

17. Plus he would have been even more of an inspiration to the world.

Whatever demons drove him, it wasn't the government that 'pulled the trigger' so to speak.

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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:16 PM

18. nope

 

and no one will never know why

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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:42 PM

27. Ah yes, it was the victims fault once again. The government is blameless. I feel so much better. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 PM

28. The truth is the truth. It was MIT that wanted to make an example of Swartz.

Not the government.

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Response to randome (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:38 AM

39. "The truth is the truth" and you know the truth. How does one know the truth? How

do you know that the government didnt want to make an example of Swartz and werent complicit? As a rule of thumb, when anyone tells me that they know "THE TRUTH", I grab for my wallet. But I guess that's just me.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:23 PM

45. The truth is often malleable and I have no problem seeing that.

But if you read the link from the Boston Globe posted in this thread, you'll see a different interpretation from 'the government killed Swartz'.

Maybe that's not the truth. But it has a certain edge of 'truthiness' to me.

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Response to randome (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:54 PM

79. I can agree with that. Sorry for my over reaction.

I sometimes over react when I perceive that someone is claiming to be the know'er of truth. I am also very suspicious of the government.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:58 PM

80. Understood. No problems here!

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:11 PM

14. Maybe True... Although This Kid Was A Genius, An Idealist, Was Not In For Profit, And A Hero...

So maybe... just maybe... in this case...

It was the immediate destruction of the world he thought he lived in, the one he wanted to create, the one he wanted everyone to have...

and the lack of support, after he has started all sorts of support for millions of others...

And to have your very own government... the BULLYING of your very own governrment...

I can't finish this.

Sorry

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Response to WillyT (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:14 PM

16. well you can be a genius

 

but don't fuck with people who can make decisions about your personal freedom.

there are manifold ways to express creative genius without placing yourself in jeopardy of the legal system.

plus, being a genius doesn't give you a pass.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:35 PM

26. How can you get in jeopardy?

You can have a neurological disorder that will do it.

Spent 72 hrs. in the can for having MS.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:49 AM

41. when you make a conscious decision

 

to steal intellectual property, you place yourself in harm's way.

i didn't write the rules, just have to live by them.

i don't like being in jail, that what makes me stay away from it.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:32 AM

42. I fail to see that his crime was any greater than exceeding

his cell phone plan limit on minutes.

He was entitled to download the articles.

He changed the MAC address on his machine. That is like putting your sim card in a new phone.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #42)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:36 AM

43. you can argue with the law

 

but if you violate, you eventually will pay the penalty.

like i said, i don't agree with what happened, but it is THEIR world.

they make the rules. we abide. you can fight against it, but be prepared to go to jail.

and don't cry after the fact.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:20 PM

44. You can argue with the interpretation of the law.

That is one reason we have courts.

Prosecutors are not supposed to be out there trying to collect scalps.

When Law Enforcement becomes a profit center, it becomes corrupt.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:26 PM

46. Welcome to Uhhhmerica

 

we have the best justice system money can buy.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:51 PM

51. Everyone that knuckles under gives up everybody's

rights.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:29 PM

63. it depends on what you want to put on the line

 

i can't put food on my family and live in harmony with the fish if i don't go to work.

ergo, doing things that can put me in the slam aren't things i want to do.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:17 PM

19. 'I can't finish this.'? Laying it on a bit thick, aren't you?

Why did you start the sixth thread on this if you can't continue?

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Response to randome (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:29 PM

22. I Had A Sister Who Was Kicked Out Her Boyfriend's Corvette Because She Was Trying To Break Up

with him.

He drove around her a couple of times saying, "I love you." Over and over...

And then ran his Corvette into the side of a stadium wall... killing himself right in front of her.

So yeah... it gets a little thick.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:34 PM

25. I wasn't making light of suicide. And I'm sorry your sister witnessed that.

But it sounds like your emotional overload is with "the BULLYING of your very own government" - which, if you read the link, was not apparently the case.

Suicide is always a tragedy no matter the circumstances.

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Response to randome (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:03 PM

30. Oh... You Don't Know The Half...

She ran up to the car, and because it was in shadow, she could not see the damage done to his body.

A good thing.

And two years later, same sister, was asked by a guy at the bar to dance, said no, and walked out to her car, believing that her girlfriends were right behind her.

They were not.

As she tried to get into her Volkswagen, the same guy showed up with a knife, and told her to get in and drive...

Now my bad assed sister ignored the "just go along to save your life" that was the thinking of the time...

And instead, screamed bloody murder...

The guy sliced her arm as a warning, then stabbed her twice in the back... collapsing one lung.

I heard about it after coming home from a date at 3:00am...

Found her in ICU... naked, except for a sheet... tubes coming/going onto every extremity.

She looked at me when got there and said, "What son of a bitch does this ???"

It was at that point I thought she might be alright.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:52 PM

38. The same kind that may have killed her had she not done what she did.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:44 PM

36. It's also really stupid to blame the government when

Aaron Swartz talked about feeling suicidal in 2007, which was four years before he broke into MIT's network to illegally download material he didn't have a legal right to.

Yes Creative Commons and the four freedoms of the Open Software movement is good, but supporting it doesn't give anybody the right to steal either.

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Response to mythology (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:45 PM

49. Swartz was a faculty member at Harvard.

Meaning that he had legal access to JSTOR. That means he had a legal right to do what he did.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:45 PM

77. Shhh...!

If you're at a friends house and use their login to read the New York Times, you're committing a crime - even if you own a subscription yourself!

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:36 PM

47. What "violation of the law" are you referring to?

The guy download large amount of articles that he had legal access to, how is that a violation of the law? From everything I read, they were charging him with what they BELIEVED he intended to do with that. I have heard many here defending the actions of this horrific prosecution, but I've yet to hear anyone say what he did to break the law. It's sickening.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #47)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:40 PM

48. play with fire

 

get burnt

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:45 PM

50. You've provided absolutely nothing but snark. Do you know ANYTHING about this case?

Or do you just want your daily dose of righteousness? You've said he violated the law, were you just talking out of your ass?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:00 PM

52. it doesn't matter what i say

 

i don't have prosecutorial or arrest powers.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:10 PM

54. But you do have the power to spread bullshit about this case.

Which you seem to do with great gusto.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:15 PM

56. you seem to have a very deep emotional investment in this

 

i'll leave you alone with that.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #56)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:21 PM

57. You seem to think it's fine to pass along bullshit as truth.

You could have responded to my initial question with something like this: "Whoops, I guess I don't know much about this case. Looks like I'm wrong." But instead you choose to double down. You were creating excuses for the government to do what they did. Now that you realize you're wrong, you go on excusing the government. Guess you're not much of a learner, huh?

On edit: Is it really THAT hard to admit you're wrong? You go from "You don't want to be arrested, don't do illegal things." to "Well, he should have known he'd be thrown in jail for ummm, existing." That makes a fuck load of sense.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:22 PM

58. bless your heart

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

59. So, not just ignorant, but southern ignorant.

That's not any better. You could just admit you were an ass and be done with it.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:24 PM

60. my, my

 

do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:26 PM

61. Hey chump, care telling me how Aaron played with fire?

So now downloading legal articles is playing with fire? Really, do you not get disgusted with yourself excusing government tyranny like this? Christ, I can only hope you find yourself playing with fire someday. Maybe doing something really subversive like checking out multiple library books at once. Do you really think the government doesn't have enough people excusing its atrocities without assistance from toadies like you?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:28 PM

62. don't do the crime

 

if you can't do the time.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #62)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:29 PM

64. Derp. Not the brightest... well anything actually.

You are a pathetic defender of government abuses of power. You are nothing but a troll. Still can't tell me what that crime is, can you? All you can do is parrot pathetic talking points. Must suck not having a functional brain with which to work.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:30 PM

65. there, there

 

i can give you a therapy teddy bear if that will help.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:32 PM

66. What crime, apologist?

You keep defending your precious government, but you can't articulate why you do in the slightest. Let me clue you in to something, if you're not bright enough to have a thought of your own, you're probably best suited not parroting the thoughts of others.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:34 PM

67. The United States Attorney charged him with wire fraud and computer fraud

 

and some other stuff.

but they dropped the charges today.

like i said, the federal government accused him of a crime, not me.

i don't have an emotional stake in this, like you do.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:36 PM

68. I'm asking you what he DID.

What he DID was download articles he legally had access to. You were the idiot who said "Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime." without having a fucking clue as to what he did. Is it difficult to get all that brown off your shirt?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #68)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:43 PM

69. he hooked a laptop to the servers and crashed them

 

he didn't own the servers.

plus, a JSTOR license doesn't permit you to redistribute that intellectual property in P2P file sharing. that is a crime.

grow the fuck up.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:46 PM

70. How about you even attempt to learn something.

First of all, crashing a server isn't a crime, it simply means that the server wasn't prepared to handle a load. Have you ever gotten a 404 error? YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL! Do you know how idiotic your argument is? Also, he never distributed a single piece of information obtained on JSTOR via P2P, so you're just pulling that out of your ass. You need to do more than grow up, you need to obtain the ability to learn.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #70)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:49 PM

71. dimwit

 

you can't do whatever the fuck you want with other people's property.

if you have a licensing agreement or permission to use another entity's IT, there are conditions placed on that.

like i said (for the third time) i don't have an emotional investment in this.

the US attorney saw a case and charged him. they determined he was in violation of the law, not me.

grow the fuck up.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:53 PM

73. Ahhh, so your argument is "He was charged, he's obviously guilty."

So, you recommend that we get rid of the judicial system entirely. That's what your argument boils down to, and to call that dimwitted would be the ultimate insult to dimwits (someday you may aspire to become a dimwit). You say he shouldn't do the crime, I say what crime, you respond: "Well he obviously committed a crime, he was charged." While knowing NOTHING of what he did. He didn't do whatever he wanted with ANYONE'S property, he downloaded articles which he had legal access to. Once again, you don't need to grow up, you need to obtain the ability to learn. Every time you make another post, you demonstrate that inability. Learning is one of life's great pleasures, you're doing yourself a great disservice by not taking advantage of it.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:00 PM

74. bless your heart

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:27 PM

21. I would argue that ignorance/uncertainty of the law in such matters *is* an excuse.


I hate to say it, but I wish Aaron had stuck it out - he might have won his case. (I would have voted to acquit - that old jury nullifcation thing...)

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:53 PM

72. well, they dropped all charges today.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:30 PM

23. I have run into the J-Stor paywall numerous times

researching medical issues. They are not doing much good locked behind a wall.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:33 PM

24. Good Info... Thanks !!!




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:49 PM

29. Amy did a good show about him yesterday what

an amazing young man. Today we remember the pioneering computer programmer and cyber activist Aaron Swartz, who took his own life Friday at the age of 26. As a teenager, Swartz helped develop RSS, revolutionizing how people use the Internet, going on to co-own Reddit, now one of the world’s most popular sites. He was also a key architect of Creative Commons and an organizer of the grassroots movement to defeat the controversial House Internet censorship bill, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), and the Senate bill, the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA). Swartz hanged himself just weeks before the start of a controversial trial. He was facing up to 35 years in prison for sneaking into the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and downloading millions of articles provided by the subscription-based academic research service JSTOR. We hear Swartz in his own words and speak to Harvard Law School Professor Lawrence Lessig, a longtime mentor and friend. "There are a thousand things we could have done, a thousand things we could have done, and we have to do, because Aaron Swartz is now an icon, an ideal," Lessig says. "He is what we will be fighting for, all of us, for the rest of our lives." Lessig also echoes the claims of Swartz’s parents that decisions made by prosecutors and MIT contributed to his death, saying: "This was somebody who was pushed to the edge by what I think of as a kind of bullying by our government."
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/14/an_incredible_soul_lawrence_lessig_remembers

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:23 PM

33. Friend of Julian Assange, a top guy on the Enemies List.

Not that there ever would be anything like a coincidence.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:36 PM

34. Yeah Huh ???

Exactly !!!




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:39 PM

35. He was an outlier

Probably considered too dangerous to live.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:51 PM

37. While the Government May Not Be Blameless No One is Discussing Swarts's Depression

which was a fact of his life. We need to use these tragedies to try and improve the mental health treatment and try to remove some of the stigma associated with the disease and the need to ensure that those suffering get the treatment they need. I understand the family is devastated and lashing out making the government the sole reason for this tragedy but this is not the whole truth surrounding this tragedy. I would hope the family would also make a call for better treatment and acceptance of those suffering from depression.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:45 AM

40. Killed by the government who were defending the interests of big media.

Meanwhile, bankers and MBAs steal millions for self-enrichment and crash the economy with almost no repercussions.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:12 PM

55. kick for the father

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:41 PM

75. I remember the hell they gave Stephen Hatfill

And apparently, when Bruce Ivins couldn't take the same pressure and killed himself, they closed the case and moved on. Hopefully people will be moved enough to stand up for the things that Aaron Swartz fought for.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:02 PM

78. The fact he hadn't actually committed a crime makes this so much worse.

And the crime he could have committed wasn't even a huge deal. The people that had a stake in what he did declined to press charges. So, this was all about one prosecutor that got his jollies persecuting people that he thought were worthy. It's bullshit and I signed the petition to have him removed, his boss too if he was part of this.

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