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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:45 PM

a majority of guns are IMPORTED

not made in the US with American jobs.

"Every ten seconds a gun is made in America; every nine seconds one is imported, adding over 6m guns annually to the estimated 212m already in private circulation, nearly one per citizen."

http://masi.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Economist_Articles/home-on-the-range.html

Edit: I just realized this is an old article, 1994. One might reasonably assume that gun manufacturing has been outsourced, along with the rest of the economy. I will continue to look for more recent figures.

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Reply a majority of guns are IMPORTED (Original post)
BainsBane Jan 2013 OP
loli phabay Jan 2013 #1
BainsBane Jan 2013 #2
nick of time Jan 2013 #5
BainsBane Jan 2013 #7
nick of time Jan 2013 #11
BainsBane Jan 2013 #12
nick of time Jan 2013 #16
Omaha Steve Jan 2013 #25
BainsBane Jan 2013 #26
petronius Jan 2013 #28
pipoman Jan 2013 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #24
petronius Jan 2013 #3
aikoaiko Jan 2013 #13
BainsBane Jan 2013 #14
hack89 Jan 2013 #15
petronius Jan 2013 #21
BainsBane Jan 2013 #20
petronius Jan 2013 #22
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #4
BainsBane Jan 2013 #6
Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #8
BainsBane Jan 2013 #17
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #10
BainsBane Jan 2013 #19
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #23
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #27
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #29
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #18

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:51 PM

1. no idea wht this matters people buy different guns for different reasons and there are many excellen

 

Weapons made abroad. My favourite varmint rifle was made in jugoslavia forty years ago.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:54 PM

2. it matters because

gunners claim divestiture hurts American jobs. It would seem that it no more hurts American jobs than refusing to shop at Walmart.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:58 PM

5. I wouldn't mind Pres. Obama using his executive powers to ban the importation

 

of foreign made weapons, it would create more good union jobs for the firearms manufacturer's and help boost the economy.
It's a win-win situation.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:00 PM

7. proof

of union jobs? I find that extremely difficult to believe. How much you want to bet most US gun factories are in right to work states?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:05 PM

11. Not true.

 

Most of those jobs are highly skilled machinist jobs which are usually union jobs. They're spread out all over the country but there are several in states like MA, DE, IL, CT.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:05 PM

12. proof

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:14 PM

16. I'll have to look it up.

 

But even so, those jobs are well paying jobs because of the skill it requires to manufacture a quality firearm.
I was going to say Colt in CT, but it appears that, due to the hostility of CT to firearms, they'vy moved their operation to FL and all the tax base and jobs with it.
Not sure if the UAW still represents the workers.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:37 PM

25. Union made (IAM) arms & ammo

Last edited Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)


This is not a complete list. I will try to post some more tomorrow.

American Made - Union Made Database

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-american-union-made.shtml#Rifles%20&%20Shotguns

Rifles & Shotguns Browning Rifles/Shotguns IAM
Rifles & Shotguns Douglas Barrels Rifles/Shotguns IAM
Rifles & Shotguns Savage Arms Rifles/Shotguns IAM



Next time just email me with the union questions.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:39 PM

26. no worries

I'll take your word for it. It doesn't change my views.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:52 AM

28. I've more than once seen Colt, Remington, and Winchester listed as union, but

I don't know how to find out if it's all their product lines, or just some...

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:04 PM

9. That is one appeal to the

AR platform. It is an American design..Colt and Armalite are among several US makers of the AR platform. It is used extensively in competitive shooting, some small game, and target shooting. Any rifle range on a given Saturday has families, significant others, and friends shooting AR platform rifles quite safely..there are millions in circulation

BYW I don't own one and probably never will..

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:10 PM

24. Who has claimed that

It actually makes no difference whatsoever

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:55 PM

3. ATF provides more recent information. For 2009, it looks like

5.6 million manufactured, and 3.6 million imported. Only 195k exported, which surprises me a little...

http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/121611-firearms-commerce-2011.pdf

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Response to petronius (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:08 PM

13. I wonder when Glock moved to GA, Taurus to FL, SIG to NH, etc.


I bet a lot of companies came to the US after the OPs data, but I'm guessing.

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Response to petronius (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:09 PM

14. and what would account for the fact

that gun manufacturing is more domestic than it was in 1994 while everything else is produced abroad in greater numbers? Not that I am yet conceding to your point. But assuming it is true, why would that be the case?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:14 PM

15. Foreign gun makers setting up factories in America. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:24 PM

21. Actually, the ATF report I linked shows a larger ratio of domestic/imported firearms

for 1994 (5.2 million to 1.9 million), which contradicts the article in the OP. I can't see where the authors of the latter got their statistics...

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Response to petronius (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:22 PM

20. might I ask

you to tell me which page you read the stat on so I don't need to read through the whole thing?
Thanks.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:25 PM

22. Exhibit 1 (page 11), Exhibit 2 (page 13), Exhibit 3 (page 15)... nt

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:56 PM

4. Why do you hate foreign workers BainsBane?

Don't people besides Americans deserve jobs?

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:59 PM

6. why do you hate children?

so much you insist on seeing thousands of them die every year? Why do you hate humanity so much you want it extinguished?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:02 PM

8. As much as I would like to, I cannot stop children from dying.

Children have died every single day of my life. Nothing I've done so far has changed that. Do you honestly believe you can stop death?

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Response to Llewlladdwr (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:16 PM

17. yes you can

You cannot stop all, but you can help bring them in line with the rest of the industrialized world. You do so by deciding you will no longer elevate guns above human life. You can stop working assiduously to derail actions to prevent their deaths. You can decide that human life has value. We all make choices in life that either contribute to the social good or cause harm. You can contribute to solutions that diminish greatly the number of deaths of children and adults, or you can continue to work to ensure they die in numbers disproportionate to the rest of the industrialized world.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:04 PM

10. Post #4 & #6 is a good example of why gun threads need to go back to the gun forum.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:20 PM

19. or why the administrators need to approve the activism group

Believe me, I much prefer not to deal with gunners. Their only purpose is to disrupt and derail efforts to bring about change. And I do not go in the gungeon. I once wandered in by mistake but have since trashed the entire forum.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:52 PM

23. It was nothing personal, it was more about the bickering. Can't take much more.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:42 PM

27. Agreed (and with BainsBane's post just below).

A gun control activism Groups would be a very good idea.

But I certainly hope that after the furor dies down after this latest wave of legislation that GD can revert to the previous policy. I will probably have been driven away or PPR'd by then, but it might help stem the slide into uncivil uselessness that the entire board had been experiencing.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:57 AM

29. I don't see 'em

I highly suggest the ignore button. You won't be able to talk to them, so why bother?

As to going back to hickey hole in the middle f a national discussion? They'd love to.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:18 PM

18. what he said in #3

i thought i saw 2.8 million on pg. 19

this is interesting too-

That means American consumers are now buying about the same number of Kalashnikov-style weapons from Izhmash as the Russian army and police.

This shift has been encouraged by the Kremlin, which wants to revive a range of military industries by improving their economies of scale and helping them blend military and civilian manufacturing.

Russian Technologies, a state holding company of which Izhmash is a part, is pursuing this policy across a range of industries, from aviation to truck manufacturing. The goal is to improve efficiency as Russia begins a $613 billion rearmament program, financed by oil money.

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The sales of civilian rifles in the United States are helping to pay for the factory’s retooling for the AK-12, ultimately making it cheaper for the Kremlin.

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Izhmash benefits from American gun laws that are looser than in its home market. In Russia, consumers can buy a long-barreled firearm only with a police permit, which requires a clean criminal sheet, a diploma from a gun safety course and a medical certificate of sanity. In the United States, laws vary by state, but buyers often need to clear only an F.B.I. criminal background check.

However, gun control in Russia is less strict than in some other former Soviet countries. Estonia, for example, proscribes carrying a weapon while drunk. “If they did that here, well, nobody would hunt,” said Igor V. Anisimov, the Izhmash director of foreign sales.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/business/a-kalashnikov-factory-in-russia-survives-on-sales-to-us-gun-owners.html?pagewanted=all

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