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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:12 PM

 

Could the Massacres Here at Home be Karma for What we Have Done Overseas?


Is it possible that if we work to stop our government from exporting terror overseas, we will find peace here at home?

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Follow The Money Jan 2013 OP
quinnox Jan 2013 #1
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #11
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #2
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #7
hack89 Jan 2013 #13
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #22
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #3
randome Jan 2013 #12
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #14
bowens43 Jan 2013 #4
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #15
jpak Jan 2013 #5
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #6
patrice Jan 2013 #8
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #9
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #10
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #16
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #21
JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #34
tama Jan 2013 #36
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #37
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #17
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #18
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #19
RebelOne Jan 2013 #20
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 #23
Hugabear Jan 2013 #25
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 #27
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #44
Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #24
Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #26
Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #28
Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #29
One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #30
Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #31
RZM Jan 2013 #32
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #33
pnwest Jan 2013 #35
Follow The Money Jan 2013 #41
Rex Jan 2013 #38
NeedleCast Jan 2013 #39
99Forever Jan 2013 #40
edhopper Jan 2013 #42
trumad Jan 2013 #43

Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:12 PM

1. spidey senses tingling big time...

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:22 PM

11. Mine too.

Funny that.

All it takes is a simple click. Though it won't have any effect - yet.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:17 PM

2. No, however...

There might be a connection. It is possible that because we place so much pride in our military and we spend so much on the military, that people get the idea that violence is virtuous. It is also possible that because we spend so much on the military that we neglect so many people that it has created a perfect place for violence to grow. I am not just talking about poor people, especially since many of the mass murderers appear to have been well off. But, it is possible that we have created a climate where everyone is expected to keep a stiff upper lip no matter what and some people get to a breaking point, no one notices because it is shameful to admit that a person might have issues.

Perhaps, if we are all kinder to each other and we petition our government to stop the bloodshed things could get a lot better. I can dream.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:19 PM

7. You have one of the most likely explanations.

Though we can just make the assumption that there are more callous people than there are kind people.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:26 PM

13. So why have violent crime rates dropped precipitously in the past 30 years

if we are fostering an atmosphere that codons violence?

That is what I don't understand.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

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Response to hack89 (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:36 PM

22. Good question...

Maybe people are kinder to each other and I hadn't noticed. I don't get out much. But, the military spending dropping like it needs to hasn't happened. Still maybe there is less of people seeing military might as a virtue. It could be we have had some subtle cultural changes and we are starting to feel the effects. I don't know it isn't like a meta study has been done on this. And it isn't as if our media is all about keeping us informed. Perhaps we can talk and figure out what could have caused the dramatic drop in violent crime. Because what ever has caused that we need to keep doing.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:17 PM

3. Ya, it's all magic,

there's no point in tighter regulations to try to control it

No matter what we do, it's now our destiny to shoot each other.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:24 PM

12. You mean it's our destiny to have innocent children slaughtered.

The OP is ridiculous.

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Response to randome (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:29 PM

14. we look the other way while our government slaughters innocent children

 


we killed over one million innocent people in Iraq, wasted trillions, and no one was held accountable.

I am afraid we are not setting a good example.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:18 PM

4. no peace until we implement strict bans on assault weapons, hand guns and ammunition.

the guns are the problem. Guns kill people.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:30 PM

15. right, and guns kill people all over the world

 

nt

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:18 PM

5. No they are Karma for GOP/NRA Gunnutery and Douchebaggery

Karma - it will bite you in the ass!



yup

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:20 PM

8. In a physical universe, all physical events have physical effects. nt

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:20 PM

9. No - Karma is null concept. n/t

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:21 PM

10. Massacres are excellent marketing opportunities for the Gun Industry.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:32 PM

16. No, and kindly fuck off.

 

This is just as batshit crazy as saying God allowed it to happen because we took prayer out of schools.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:35 PM

21. never heard the phrase what goes around comes around

 


and this is a message board where you are free to choose another topic.

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Response to Follow The Money (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:02 PM

34. No

It can't be. I never voted for Bush and I've been voting since 1992.

So I take ZERO responsibility for Iraq or Afghanistan, protested both, and resent having to pay one thin red cent for something I didn't condone in the first place.

If it was Karma - it would have been a bunch of folks at a Tea Party Meetup - not innocent little kids.

And even though the IndieTeaPubs want to play ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh - I didn't like Bush either . . .

They are the stupid f*cks that voted for him not once, but twice, McCain/Palin, and PhoneyBaloney/Lyin.

The blood is on their hands. Not mine. They wanted those murders - they own them. But unfortunately I'll pay for it fiscally for the rest of my life.


Actually - real Karma would be a list of who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and taking all of their cash assets to pay for their 'folly of murder'.


But to blame it on those of us who have been here ALL of this time - and not just here at DU - but active anti war protestors - truthfully . . . I know you are new here - but you ought to be ashamed of yourself.



May I ask - when did you all of a sudden wake up and realize that the Bush Co Cabal was full of shit? And why are you falling for the 'you are either with us or . . .' Sorry - he called me out and others like me for being unAmerican traitors so I'm going to sit right and point the finger back at those who voted and supported for him. Who went 'shopping' instead of questioning that god damned fool!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:11 PM

36. Civil Disobedience

 

The term and idea was launched by great American, Thoreau, from whom Gandhi, MLK and many others got their inspiration from. Thoreau's original form of civil disobedience was refusal to pay taxes to fund America's imperialistic wars.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:12 PM

37. I just started paying attention after stolen election 2000, been fighting the wars B4 they started

 


This is why I don't trust the media at all, the helped lie about all the 'evidence' to start these wars.

I didn't mean to blame DUers, I was blaming the collective US, our policy.

And I was fighting too, but I still feel responsible, because we didn't succeed. not really.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:32 PM

17. Who knows what form karma shall take regarding the near genocide of the First Nations.

 

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:32 PM

18. why do we pay to research the most dangerous weapons on earth...

 

then allow weapons dealers to sell them all over the world.

We are arming the world.

We are exporting guns and terror everywhere.

Let's not just stop the assault weapons in this country, let's stop allowing them to export them as well.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:33 PM

19. No, but we should certainly work toward that goal anyway. nt

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:35 PM

20. Could be. I believe that what goes around comes around. n/t

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:39 PM

23. No, it's because of the gays

 

different ones than those that cause the hurricanes though.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:43 PM

25. It's the West Coast gays

The East Coast gays are responsible for the hurricanes.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:47 PM

27. Nice analysis

 

I think you've nailed it

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:31 PM

44. And the Omaha chapter of the Log Cabin Republicans is responsible for tornadoes.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:41 PM

24. No, because the wrong people are being massacred. nt

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:47 PM

26. If that was the case, Belgium would cease to exist as a country...

In their history, the number of slaughtered Africans surpasses even their PRESENT national population...

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:55 PM

29. There is no such thing as karma

So, no.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:56 PM

30. Karma for parts of our culture

Spree killers are typically male and go from seemingly normal to homicidal nuts over night. What effect does trying to live up to a John Wayne macho image play in pushing men to the breaking point?

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:57 PM

31. Like all the nuclear accidents are Karma for Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?

Makes sense to me.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:58 PM

32. Michael Moore said something kind of similar in 'Bowling for Columbine'

 

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I do remember him attempting to link the Kosovo bombing campaign and the Columbine shooting.

I don't recall that argument making any sense at all.

And I don't believe in karma, so the answer is 'no.'

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:58 PM

33. Could be. You can't be the world's largest exporter of violent death, poverty, human suffering,

 

and destruction for over a century and not expect to pay some price.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:09 PM

35. No Pat Robertson, it's not.

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Response to pnwest (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:16 PM

41. oh okay, I'll go back to my original theory then

 

This is all because women are ugly

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:14 PM

38. Do you believe in Karma?

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:14 PM

39. No

Karma isn't real.

This is as ridiculous as saying homosexuality causes hurricanes. Honestly, it makes me angry that any sane person would suggest such a think.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:16 PM

40. Slaughtering babies with sema-automatic weapons is "Karma."

That's perhaps the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:17 PM

42. Not Karma

but it should gives us more empathy for those we have harmed in a similar way:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1555005/Seven-children-die-as-US-bombs-Afghan-school.html


We should have a better idea what those parents are going through and have zero tolerance for "collateral" deaths.

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Response to Follow The Money (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:29 PM

43. The dumbass jury let this stand.

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