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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:02 PM

 

"It is very difficult to believe Obama on the debt ceiling" - FDL

One of the most memorable parts of President Obama’s hour-long press conference on Monday came he was forced to face the issue of his own negotiating credibility problem. From the transcript:

OBAMA: Julianna Goldman?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. I just want to come back to the debt ceiling, because in the summer of 2011, you said that you wouldn’t negotiate on the debt ceiling, and you did. Last year, you said that you wouldn’t extend any of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and you did. So as you say now that you’re not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should House Republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you’re not going to back down?

OBAMA: Well, first of all, Julianna, let’s take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. I didn’t say that I would not have any conversations at all about extending the Bush tax cuts. What I said was, we weren’t going to extend Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. And we didn’t.

Now, you can argue that during the campaign, I said — I set the criteria for wealthy at $250,000, and we ended up being at $400,000, but the fact of the matter is, millionaires, billionaires are paying significantly more in taxes, just as I said.

This issue is not just that Obama has a habit of drawing lines in the sand only to later break his promise, as he recently did on the Bush tax cuts.

Obama’s behavior regarding the debt limit has been all over the map. Back in 2011, Obama seemed to actively encourage GOP “hostage taking” because he wanted to negotiate over the debt limit to get a grand bargain.

When that blew up in Obama’s face he changed his tune by claiming he would not negotiate over the debt limit again. Yet only a few days later Obama included a one year increase in a possible fiscal cliff deal, basically allowing it to be used as a negotiation bargaining chip by John Boehner. It is only because those negotiations failed that Obama has again gone back to claiming he will not negotiate over the debt limit.

Finally, Obama describing this current situation as the GOP holding a “gun to the head of the American people” is not at all reassuring given his past statements. The last time Obama used this hostage metaphor to describe a congressional negotiation it was to justify folding in 2010. At that time Obama said he had to break his promise because,”the hostage was the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed.”

I will admit this time Obama does really sound sincere, but he sounded sincere almost every other time as well. If I have trouble I believing Obama is credible this time, and I can only imagine it is much worse for House Republicans.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2013/01/14/it-is-very-difficult-to-believe-obama-on-the-debt-ceiling/

My comment -- Ok, I know some of you, have a problem with fire dog lake, but I wanted to put this out there and see what everyone thought of it. Do you think that Obama will stand firm, for once, or will he bend once again as the article seems to argue, and it is all talk regarding the tough talk on the debt ceiling?

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quinnox Jan 2013 OP
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #1
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #2
rgbecker Jan 2013 #3
Itchinjim Jan 2013 #4
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #5
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #7
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #9
Enrique Jan 2013 #6
sharp_stick Jan 2013 #8
EC Jan 2013 #10

Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:04 PM

1. More NorquistDogLake? YAY!!!! The firebaggers are all atwitter!

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:04 PM

2. It's very difficult to believe FDL about anything n/t

 

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:17 PM

3. OK, Here's the record so far.

1. We have a national health care plan that will allow everyone to get health insurance. It's not free, it's not single payer but Obama passed it without one Republican vote.

2. We have had no cuts to Medicare even though the Republicans have been demanding Medicare be cut since the day it was enacted.

3. We have had no cuts to Social Security benefits even though the Republicans have been demanding SS cuts since the day it was enacted.

4. The Democrats have assured that the taxes of 98% of Americans have not gone back to 2000 levels and thus essentially got a back door stimulus while cutting 600 Billion from deficit.

5. Complain all you want about the 2011 deal, but spending on Military and every program EXCEPT medicare and Social Security is set to be cut automatically unless congress can get it together to pass something that does otherwise.

Who else do you want to have negotiating on your side?



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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:25 PM

4. FDL?

Pffffft.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

5. "Obama's going to CAVE and give the GOP everything it wants!!!!"

That was the cry during the fiscal cliff fight.

Obama was going to cave and cut social security and medicare. He stood firm.

Apparently, the folks at FDL didn't notice.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:41 PM

7. Obama offered up the Chained CPI as part of his offer to the Repugs. They rejected his offer.

 

It WASN'T the other way around.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:11 PM

9. Obama's evil plan to cut Social security has been

predicted here on DU throughout his entire first term.

It was definitely going to be in his 2010 SOTU ... his 2010 budget, 2011 budget ... was going to get cut during the debt ceiling fight in 2011, and again during the recent fiscal cliff fight ... folks were absolutely sure each time.

DU will burst into flames with the next round of such predictions as the debt ceiling fight gets closer. People will threaten to leave the Dem party ... will scream about how evil Obama is.

And then it won't happen. Again.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:30 PM

6. it looks to me like the GOP will cave on the debt ceiling

based on things they've said, it looks like they have shifted their strategy to the sequester.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:54 PM

8. Yipppeee FireDogLake

typical smear from all involved, situation normal.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:35 PM

10. Actually, is it a bluff if the battle has nothing to do with him?

The House spends the money, not the President...so it's up to the House to pay the bills. This really has nothing to do with the President, what is it they are asking him to do? Do they want him to tell them what to do? IT'S THEIR JOB - NOT HIS. All the President is doing is ASKING permission from the House to pay the bills THEY ran up.

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