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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:53 PM

Do you know someone with guns who maybe, just maybe, shouldn't have them?

What do we do about those people?.. The ones that have run to the store every time there's a horrific massacre, sure that the black helicopters are on their way?

The ones that buy most fervently into the conspiracy theories might be the ones that some kind of "stability" screening would catch.

What should the local police departments do about them if we manage to get some laws changed?

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Reply Do you know someone with guns who maybe, just maybe, shouldn't have them? (Original post)
annabanana Jan 2013 OP
Indydem Jan 2013 #1
annabanana Jan 2013 #2
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #3
Glassunion Jan 2013 #4
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #9
Paladin Jan 2013 #10
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #14
Glassunion Jan 2013 #16
rrneck Jan 2013 #5
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #6
nick of time Jan 2013 #7
treestar Jan 2013 #8
ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #12
treestar Jan 2013 #19
ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #21
RebelOne Jan 2013 #11
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #13
One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #15
Rex Jan 2013 #17
HappyMe Jan 2013 #18
tosh Jan 2013 #20
Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #22

Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:54 PM

1. They haven't done anything wrong.

Regardless of your opinion of their actions.

The likelihood that they will ever kill someone is less than 0.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:10 PM

2. So, no grandfathering, right?. . .n/t

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Response to Indydem (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:26 PM

3. That is one convoluted idea you got there.

There is never a less than zero chance someone will murder another person. There is a zero chance a baby will murder someone, but even that is not less than zero.

If you know someone with a gun and that person is clearly unstable, then I would say that the chance they will kill someone is considerably higher than a zero percent chance. Someone with a history of domestic violence, someone who has been at least questioned about assaulting another person, or a person that spouts whackadoodle conspiracy theories may never kill someone. But, really they are more dangerous and shouldn't have guns.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

4. I know a handful of police officers that should not have them.

What do we do? I have no clue.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:49 PM

9. Funny how no one wants to put restrictions on law enforcement, isn't it?

Everyone says to ban certain guns and certain magazines and only the police should be allowed to have them.

Why?

Why do the cops need so much firepower if the populace isn't armed?

Think about it.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:47 PM

10. The Populace IS Armed, Big-Time.


Where would you ever get any idea to the contrary? And that arming of the populace has occurred without anything remotely approaching the sort of screening, training, and periodic review which law enforcement personnel receive. Is law enforcement without defects or faulty performance? Of course not. But the notion that the general populace is somehow more proficient and trustworthy with firearms usage than LEO's is nothing more than gun militancy propaganda.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:03 PM

14. LOL +1. I was just about to come in here ans say "The NYPD?" (n/t)

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:17 PM

16. I cannot wholly blame the NYPD for thier rumored poor marksmanship.

The city has very unusual firearm regulations for their officers. The worst of which is the 12lb trigger pull required on their firearms.

I remember reading a story, by expert (or highly trained) marksman when they were testing firearms with 12lb triggers. Out of the entire group, only one could quickly draw the firearm, aquire the target and actually score decent groupings. When asked how he did it, he replied that he was using both index fingers to pull the trigger.

I cannot imagine trying to pull a trigger with a single finger on something that weighs as much as a bowling ball.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:29 PM

5. What charges should be brought to have them jailed?

Or should they just be watched?

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:30 PM

6. He has said he could kill his neighbor without any remorse... and he has a concealed carry.

 

His neighbors feel the same way and they carry guns as well.

They made these statements in court, yet retain their permit.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:34 PM

7. My nephew,

 

who is a police officer and a complete arrogant, egotistical, badge heavy asshole.
He shouldn't be anywhere near a firearm much less a cop.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:35 PM

8. I have one relative

Was a hunter. Became a gun nut. Also somewhat unstable. Everyone in the family has this nagging fear.

He thinks he knows everything and can't handle the idea of being wrong about anything, no matter how minor.

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Response to treestar (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:54 PM

12. What actions have you and your family taken?

> Everyone in the family has this nagging fear.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:41 PM

19. What are we supposed to do?

How is it our fault? He has no criminal record. How do we stop him from being qualified to register for guns?

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Response to treestar (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:12 PM

21. If he really is unstable, and

if your family really has nagging fears, then you should be looking into what can be done to have him declared ineligible for firearm ownership. This will vary from state to state. In the end, you are your brother's keeper.

This is similar to figuring out when powers of attorney are needed for aging parents/grandparents.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:52 PM

11. Yes, a few. 'Nuff said. n/t

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:56 PM

13. I know more people who have kids and dogs and should not vs gun owners who should not

It would depend a lot on your social circles and family, but that is what I see in mine

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:06 PM

15. Nope

Lots of relatives with hunting rifles. None of whom are worried about black helicopters.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:19 PM

17. Yes.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:20 PM

18. No.

I don't know any of those doomsday black helicopter people.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:55 PM

20. I have one. A relative.

He is a gun-show-nut. I am beginning to believe that he may in fact have something in his record that might cause him to fail a background check. That is the only justification that I can come up with for his paranoia that the gubmint will come and take away his gunz.

Someone from the hometown recently reminded me of a long-ago incident that he "caused" that would be a felony today. My parents must have shielded me from that one, I only vaguely remember it. I don't know if he was a minor at the time, if the charges were dropped, or what. Plus quite a few DUIs when older, most likely 2 or 3 other things.

Whatever it is, he sure is askeered!!

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:13 PM

22. Yes

I do...a couple of family members.

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