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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:49 PM

Hey You With The Gun...Yeah, YOU

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Reply Hey You With The Gun...Yeah, YOU (Original post)
kpete Jan 2013 OP
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #1
DinahMoeHum Jan 2013 #2
hack89 Jan 2013 #7
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #21
hack89 Jan 2013 #22
regjoe Jan 2013 #24
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #25
hack89 Jan 2013 #28
IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #38
hack89 Jan 2013 #39
derby378 Jan 2013 #48
IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #52
bongbong Jan 2013 #57
hack89 Jan 2013 #59
bongbong Jan 2013 #63
hack89 Jan 2013 #64
bongbong Jan 2013 #67
hack89 Jan 2013 #69
bongbong Jan 2013 #74
Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #129
baldguy Jan 2013 #96
hack89 Jan 2013 #123
derby378 Jan 2013 #128
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #133
hack89 Jan 2013 #135
Fla_Democrat Jan 2013 #122
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #132
lastlib Jan 2013 #47
hack89 Jan 2013 #51
randr Jan 2013 #112
morningfog Jan 2013 #115
Brigid Jan 2013 #3
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #4
99Forever Jan 2013 #5
SQUEE Jan 2013 #10
derby378 Jan 2013 #29
99Forever Jan 2013 #30
derby378 Jan 2013 #32
99Forever Jan 2013 #34
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #84
derby378 Jan 2013 #97
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #49
derby378 Jan 2013 #73
Skraxx Jan 2013 #81
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #89
Skraxx Jan 2013 #93
derby378 Jan 2013 #94
Skraxx Jan 2013 #99
derby378 Jan 2013 #101
Skraxx Jan 2013 #102
derby378 Jan 2013 #103
Skraxx Jan 2013 #105
derby378 Jan 2013 #107
Skraxx Jan 2013 #110
Skraxx Jan 2013 #104
derby378 Jan 2013 #106
Skraxx Jan 2013 #108
derby378 Jan 2013 #109
Skraxx Jan 2013 #111
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #113
derby378 Jan 2013 #114
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #118
derby378 Jan 2013 #120
DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #121
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #82
Skittles Jan 2013 #127
Denninmi Jan 2013 #12
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #90
B2G Jan 2013 #17
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #19
oldbanjo Jan 2013 #45
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #91
samsingh Jan 2013 #55
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #98
aandegoons Jan 2013 #66
AuntPatsy Jan 2013 #100
aandegoons Jan 2013 #131
morningfog Jan 2013 #116
Skittles Jan 2013 #126
billh58 Jan 2013 #130
hack89 Jan 2013 #6
Erose999 Jan 2013 #8
hack89 Jan 2013 #9
Erose999 Jan 2013 #11
hack89 Jan 2013 #14
upaloopa Jan 2013 #15
hack89 Jan 2013 #16
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #23
hack89 Jan 2013 #26
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #27
hack89 Jan 2013 #31
derby378 Jan 2013 #33
Hoyt Jan 2013 #35
hack89 Jan 2013 #37
oneshooter Jan 2013 #80
2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #88
oneshooter Jan 2013 #92
2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #95
azureblue Jan 2013 #42
hack89 Jan 2013 #43
upaloopa Jan 2013 #44
hack89 Jan 2013 #50
thucythucy Jan 2013 #56
hack89 Jan 2013 #58
thucythucy Jan 2013 #60
hack89 Jan 2013 #61
thucythucy Jan 2013 #71
hack89 Jan 2013 #72
thucythucy Jan 2013 #75
hack89 Jan 2013 #79
thucythucy Jan 2013 #136
thucythucy Jan 2013 #78
snooper2 Jan 2013 #68
hack89 Jan 2013 #70
morningfog Jan 2013 #117
hack89 Jan 2013 #124
Dragonfli Jan 2013 #18
Skraxx Jan 2013 #83
hack89 Jan 2013 #85
Skraxx Jan 2013 #87
morningfog Jan 2013 #119
hack89 Jan 2013 #125
NeedleCast Jan 2013 #13
jeff47 Jan 2013 #36
Recursion Jan 2013 #53
jeff47 Jan 2013 #62
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #86
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #40
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #20
Island Deac Jan 2013 #41
azureblue Jan 2013 #46
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #65
samsingh Jan 2013 #54
bluerum Jan 2013 #76
didact Jan 2013 #77
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:51 PM

1. There's that word again

"Paranoid"

It says it all.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:53 PM

2. Gun Nuts = Public Health Hazard

Love it.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:33 PM

7. So are all legal gun owners gun nuts?

or just some?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:42 PM

21. Just plenty, in my experience. nt

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:43 PM

22. Funny - my experience is exactly the opposite

we must travel in different gun circles.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:45 PM

24. Nope

 

You just know what the hell you are talking about.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:49 PM

25. I've spent the last month talking to real people who are convinced that

the only thing standing between them and "Führer Obama" is their cache of assault weapons. But you go on pretending they're not there if it makes you feel better.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:51 PM

28. Both sides have their nut cases.

the real people I talk to nearly every weekend simply enjoy target shooting and want to be left alone.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:17 PM

38. Both sides have their nut cases

but on only one side are the nut cases packing.

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Response to IveWornAHundredPants (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:21 PM

39. And on the other there is a serious authoritarian streak

there have been some here advocating house to house confiscation, databases for the mentally ill and other such constitutionally troubling "solutions" to gun problems.

Guns are not the only threat to your well being - look at the guys who wrote the Patriot Act.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:58 PM

48. And some of the authoritarians are freakin' hilarious

One of them had the bright idea of insisting on a total gun ban if we don't fall in line with demands for new laws that punish law-abiding citizens - as if somehow we're supposed to be scared by this threat. I'm shaking in my size 12s.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:09 PM

52. Then you ought to get some shoes that fit.

Again, the difference is that the nut cases on the gun control side can be hilarious, the nut cases on the gun adoration side, not so much.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:25 PM

57. LOL

 

Your posts are ALWAYS hilarious!

> databases for the mentally ill

That's your friend Wayne LaTerrorist.

> Guns are not the only threat to your well being

SQUIRREL!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:30 PM

59. You do know that the state of NY is implementing a database for people with mental illness

that will not be allowed to keep or buy guns?

I suggest you keep up with the news.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #59)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:42 PM

63. You should be jumping for joy

 

They listened to your uber-hero Wayne LaTerrorist.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:45 PM

64. No - they listened to Governor Cuomo. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:56 PM

67. No - they listened to your idol Wayne LaTerrorist

 

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Response to bongbong (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:00 PM

69. So the NRA is not weak and powerless. Interesting. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #69)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:25 PM

74. LOL

 

Strawman Alert!



Delicate Flowers are a predictable lot.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:04 PM

129. Uh, there IS a database for mentally ill.

It is used for gun background checks. However, due to certain privacy laws, they don't work all the time. That is what NY is working on with thier new laws.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:35 PM

96. The nut cases you're supporting tend to leave a whole load of dead bodies in their wake.

I hope that makes you proud.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:01 PM

123. And who would they be?

every legal gun owner in America? People with mental health issues?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #123)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:26 PM

128. What I'm sensing from SOME (not all) gun-control advocates

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Response to hack89 (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:53 AM

133. "Both sides have their nut cases." Hm.

I don't think an aversion to guns is equivalent to a passionate love for guns. It's like saying MSNBC is the same as Fox. Sorry, nope.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #133)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:57 AM

135. The hyperbole, the insults, the broad brush stereotyping,

The unreasonable or unconstitutional "solutions". The "fuck all gun owners" and "take away all guns" posts - that is what I am referring to.

Now in all honesty, they do more harm to the gun control cause so I don't let it bother me too much. I kind of view them as useful idiots.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:35 PM

122. Maybe you need to get a better class of friends.











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Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #122)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:51 AM

132. Heh. They definitely ain't my friends. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:58 PM

47. Enough to tilt the scales

Let's just say Alex Jones isn't alone in the world......

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Response to lastlib (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:08 PM

51. In what direction?

if all these gun owners were nuts you think it would manifest itself in some tangible way like steadily increasing rates of gun violence. Yet it doesn't - funny isn't it?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:10 PM

112. 70 mil people own a gun and only 4 mil belong to the NRA

Most gun owners are rational

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:23 PM

115. Just those who align with the NRA and block moving towards public safety.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:59 PM

3. Too logical and sensible for that crowd.

Too many big words in it, for one thing. They won't get it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:17 PM

4. All this reminds me of a witch hunt that desires the trials for those labeled to begin immediately...

You called me out since I am a licensed gun owner, and yet these types of threads do nothing more than put an unfair label toward All gun owners which is not only unfair but seemingly reminiscent of religious sects and or Cultish types going after those that don't agree with the latest sermon citing who's the evil One, attack attack...its what so much of DU has become and what DU was once against...

Sad, honestly it is regardless of whether you agree or not....

Not all gun owners are paranoid but lately all those opposed to gun ownership appear to be the real paranoid ones....

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:20 PM

5. Ahhh...

... the poor Delicate Flowers are being treated just like witches, now.


Boo-fucking-hoo.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:04 PM

10. mmm salty tears

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:51 PM

29. I'm sorry, did you say something?

The adults are trying to have a conversation, okee-dokee?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:55 PM

30. Yes we were...

.. but that didn't stop you from spewing your trash talk, did it Delicate Flower?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:05 PM

32. Run along and play with the other kids...

Cutesiness and name-calling have no place here.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:09 PM

34. Hypocrite much?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:08 PM

84. I would wonder about some of these responses being deliberate to make DU look bad but sadly I've

read similar from very old timers......

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:39 PM

97. My wife was a very strong supporter of gun control

She was also my best friend. We could talk about gun laws amongst ourselves, and even if we couldn't sway each other, we could at least make each other think. I miss her desperately (she died back in 2010), but I also miss the ability for us to just sit down and talk.

I said it before, and I'll say it again - for all this talk about "having a conversation" concerning gun laws since Newtown, I have encountered a lot of piss and vinegar cloaking itself as righteous anger. It's not helping the people spewing this stuff, and it's not helping any debate.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:03 PM

49. You're not acting like an adult

You're acting like a freak of nature. If you find yourself still defending guns and gun culture every single freaking day for a month after 20 slaughtered Kindergartners are buried, you're not normal. You are a problem in society, and we need to treat you like the freak you are so that you and others don't labor under the false impression that what you do and what you say is ok. It is not. You need to take your death cult bullshit to where someone wants to hear it. You're not welcome among the sane. Go away.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:12 PM

73. Ah, the smug self-righteousness oozing from that diatribe...

You seem to have a rather lofty impression of yourself. And you say I'm the problem? Get a grip, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #73)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:02 PM

81. 20 Slaughtered Six Year Olds, Killed With A Semi Auto In Minutes, Not A Knife, Not A Hammer, Not

evenh a Revolver. None of those would have done half the damage. Killed by a maniac who was EASILY able to access and get his hands on these weapons of mass slaughter. And day after day after day, you defend this status quo.

Should there be common sense regulation to keep these weapons of mass slaughter out of the hands of maniacs? Yes or no?

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #81)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:24 PM

89. No one that exhibits even a tad bit intelligence questions the need for common sense regulation but

on this site lately there are hardly enough intelligent debating occuring which is as I see it only ensures a downfall in actually getting others to listen with respect to each other, one of the reasons I choose not to visit sites that spout tea party type rhetoric is that those in that sphere of self absorbing lunacy refuse to except any voices be heard that go against what they believe to be gospel, many on DU these days are eerily similar in that they refuse to listen to reason and or debate and have resorted more times than not to childish schoolyard name calling along with shadowy threats if we are to be honest...

I have no desire to change your idealogies and would like to think I show respect for your point of view even if I don't agree, DU used to be famous for being above the fray that housed the single minded numbness that preceded the year 2000 when all hell seemed to break loose and ugliness to our fellow American brothers and Sisters became the norm from the then single minded party of the new Republican bases....

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:30 PM

93. Really? I See People Opposing Common Sense Regulation Constantly As "Not Worth It, Won't Change

Anything, blah blah blah". Then changing the subject to semantics about what is the definition of that vs. this, and then shifting to well "THIS is more dangerous blah blah blah". What site have you been reading? I've seen pretty much anything BUT intelligent conversation from people who are defending their supposed RKBA. Most of what I've seen from that particular group is defense of the status quo, which under the circumstances is NOT acceptable.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #81)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:34 PM

94. Killed by a maniac who STOLE a gun and KILLED ITS RIGHTFUL OWNER

Amazing how this gets glossed over so much.

And this whole "common sense regulation" bit has become a bit of a dog-whistle, as in: "If you support common sense regulation, you'll fall in line behind anything the Brady Campaign demands and otherwise keep your mouth shut." No, thank you.

We could have an improved NICS check that could have prevented Virginia Tech. We could have civilian armories that could have prevented Sandy Hook. But no, we need a scapegoat, and there's one on every block, on every corner, in your hometown. Let's just pick on the peaceable, lawful gun owners of America and dare them to talk back. Again, no, thank you.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #94)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:41 PM

99. The Guns Were IN THE MANIACS HOUSE And He Had EASY Access to Them

Funny how you gloss over that.

So you support the status quo? Or do you think there should be better regulation of these weapons so it's more difficult for maniacs to get their hands on them? Yes or no?

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:48 PM

101. HOW easy?

Apparently, his mother (again, the rightful owner) didn't secure them well enough, but I would like more information as to how she did store them - if she had trigger locks, a gun safe, etc.

I support the right of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. There's your answer.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #101)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:50 PM

102. So You Support The Status Quo That Enables Maniacs Easy Access To Weapons Of Mass Slaughter

Got it. Glad you're on record defending your insane position. Now we know.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #102)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:52 PM

103. Do you begin every sentence with "So?"

Interesting.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #103)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:55 PM

105. What's Interesting Is Your Failure To Address Any Salient Points. So, That Must Mean You Have No

ability to do so.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #105)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:01 PM

107. I've already addressed them sufficiently

If you don't like my answers, I'm sorry, but there you go.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #107)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:04 PM

110. Yes, Pretend You Addressed Them, Too Bad I'm Here To Call Bullshit

You did no such thing.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #101)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:54 PM

104. Oh, By The Way, USSC Also Says It's Ok To Regulat Guns, You Ok With That?

Cuz that's all that's being attemtpted. Better regulation so maniacs have a harder time getting their hands on weapons of mass slaughter.

Every try to buy a machine gun? Do you have a problem with the way they are regulated? USSC says it's ok, so it's ok with you, right? Because it's ONLY because of a USSC decision that 2A is interpreted to mean an indiviudal has a right to a weapon. But they ALSO said they can be regulated and it's perfectly constitutional. So, why is ok to regulate machine guns and make them hard to get, but NOT semi automatic weapons that fire as fast as you can pull the trigger? Why is one ok but not the other?

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #104)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:59 PM

106. You and I both know that's a straw man...

...and you're promoting the very "slippery slope" argument that's been attributed to the NRA so many times. Good call.

And if you really believe that the Second Amendment only guarantees an individual right because of Heller, you've been listening to the wrong people. It's like those people who claimed that Plessy v. Ferguson was sound Constitutional law despite the fact that it restricted the rights of Americans. Same principle.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:02 PM

108. LOL! Sure It Is! One USSC Decision You Like, The Other You Don't, Cherry Pick Until Your Hearts

Content, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

At least my position is internally consistent. I don't support a ban on all guns, just stricter regulation, and it's perfectly constitutional, even according to that shitbag Scalia.

When you're nuttier than Scalia, you got problems, bud.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #104)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:03 PM

109. And about machine guns...

The Heller decision appears to hint that machine guns might be okay. Did you notice that in the text?

My take: kill the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act, amend the 1968 Gun Control Act, and keep the 1934 National Firearms Act for the time being. I, too, believe in promoting the general welfare - and my reasons are based in organized labor as much as in domestic tranquility.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #109)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:05 PM

111. Try Buying A Machine Gun

And get back to me and tell me all about it. No reason why other weapons can't and shouldn't be regulated similarly. Perfectly constitutional.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #113)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:21 PM

114. Now I'm CONVINCED you need a mug of hot chocolate

"Brand of hatred, fear, and craziness," my ass. You obviously don't know jack about me other than the fact that I happen to own a gun or two.

I'm never leaving DU. Never. The party needs people like me more than it cares to admit. Have a good evening.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #118)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:29 PM

120. Somebody once told me that what you put into the universe, you get back

And with all this vitriol and hatred you're spewing - well, I just hope that person is wrong.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #120)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:31 PM

121. Wow. Thanks, Jesus. Now turn that other cheek if you don't mind.

Cool messianic complex.
Bye.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:02 PM

82. Interesting response...I'll leave it at that..

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:01 PM

127. I am getting to where I just cannot fucking stand them

they make me sick

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:06 PM

12. Well, try being bipolar in the middle of all of this.

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Maybe I should go for the trifecta, buy a gun and join the NRA so I can really be labeled public enemy no. 1. I'm halfway there by virtue of a medical condition.

Because, hey, I can't get enough abuse these days, being told I should be locked away or whatever because of the acts of people who have nothing to do with my life.

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Response to Denninmi (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:25 PM

90. I could not even imagine what you've been going through, just so you know, its not all that visit DU

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:35 PM

17. +10000000

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:39 PM

19. Hey wait a damn minute

are you having fantasies of a future tyrannical government that you have to go fight to keep freedumb going?

Wait, you are not? Like me (fellow gun owner) you are for sensible gun control.

Now if you are in the market for a few AR-15s to join the future rebellion, then this is directed at you.

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:58 PM

45. Your right, if all these people that are against

guns would do something useful like being against poor kids starving that would make sense to me.

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Response to oldbanjo (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:27 PM

91. Very true

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:17 PM

55. agreed that not all gun owners are paranoid - but there are many vocal ones who are threatening

people and do not want to do anything that remotely inconveniences them even if child lives could be saved.

how much patience should there be with that?

realistically, very few people, myself included, want a ban on all guns. we want reasonable controls and some bans on certain types of weapons.

it is not a case of no guns. it should not be a case of infinite number and type of guns.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:39 PM

98. There are many vocal threats being directed at American children and many of those threats are comin

from Washington and I have no patience for such in your face laws and or actions by both our elected politicians as well as some church sects and yet that are kept in the background which allows for the abuse to continue unabated because of some single type isssues taking precedence and being kept deliberately in the fore front of a large majority's radar which allows the unseen horrors to continue...

Yes there are some loud mouth so called good ole boys spewing nonsense but knowing some of that type that do, they are more harmful to their immediate families than they could ever be to the nation at large...my point is, who in their right mind in this day and age would make public threats via avenues such as facebook and texts and the internet knowing full well more than big brother government is listening?

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:56 PM

66. A gun owner telling everyone else to wait to make up their minds is the epitome of ironic.

Demanding the right of instant life and death judgement for yourself while bemoaning the somewhat thought out judgement of others.

And you can't figure out why we call you nutters and paranoid?

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #66)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:42 PM

100. ? My post was in response to the subject header...perhaps if you reread it you would understand my

response more. Honestly not trying to be rude by your second line make little or no sense?

And no I cannot figure out why all people that are gun owners are called nutters and paranoid....

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #100)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:45 AM

131. A little slower for you.

They are nutters and are paranoid.

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:24 PM

116. Witch hunt! Be afraid!

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:59 PM

126. patsy - good name

fits

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:31 PM

130. Actually, if you are

not a gun nut who believes that the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to take up arms against the government, then this is not directed at you. There are millions of responsible gun owners, such as yourself, in this country who agree with more strict forms of gun control.

It is the gun fetishists, and Gungeon fanatics who belong to the NRA's "cold, dead hands" cult who are the problem. As President Obama has affirmed, Democrats are not "coming for your guns," as the NRA would have people believe. We want to nullify the right-wing extremist NRA's political influence, and return this country to sane and responsible gun control measures.

National polls show that the majority of the American people, including reasonable gun owners, support stricter gun control measures. Being the leading civilized country in the world in the number of gun deaths and injuries is not something to be proud of, but it is something that we can address.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:30 PM

6. What about those of us that just want to shoot at paper targets?

can we be left out of this?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:57 PM

8. Here you go:



Don't shoot your eye out.

But seriously, can you not shoot at paper targets with a .22 rifle with a 5 shot magazine or something?

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:01 PM

9. How about an AR-15 with a 10 round mag?

.22 is not a good round for competition. Poor ballistics and short range.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:06 PM

11. Last I checked they were still using .22LR for the olympic events.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:15 PM

14. High Power Competition are the most popular shooting events in America

The predominant American-style "High Power" match is a multi-position, multi-distance event. (This is commonly called "Across-the-Course" competition to distinguish it from prone-only High Power matches). Most typically, American-style High Power competition means iron sights, three positions (standing, prone, and sitting OR kneeling), with both rapid-fire and slow-fire stages. The "classic" High Power National Match Course is shot at 200, 300, and 500 (or 600) yards.

Four strings of fire are the basic building blocks of any High Power rifle course of fire or tournament. These are:

1. Slow Fire, standing - 10 rounds at 200 yards in 10 minutes.
2. Rapid Fire, sitting or kneeling - 10 rounds at 200 yards in 60 seconds.
3. Rapid Fire, 10 rounds prone - 300 yards in 70 seconds.
4. Slow Fire, 10 rounds prone - 500 or 600 yards in 10 minutes.


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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:21 PM

15. Well stop doing that simple

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:27 PM

16. Ain't going to happen.

lets face reality here - even if there is an AWB it is not retroactive. And the odds of an AWB are miniscule at best. So stop worrying about me punching holes in paper targets and concentrate on realistic goals.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:45 PM

23. You wanna shoot pieces of paper with an AR15? Great.

Just take yourself to a completely uninhabited island somewhere and get down with your bad self.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:50 PM

26. No - we shoot all over New England.

Nothing bad ass about it - the AR-15 is the standard rifle for such competitions. Light and extremely accurate.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:50 PM

27. I didn't say it was bad ass. I think it's assinine. nt

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:56 PM

31. It's just a rifle - a very practical rifle.

it is:

1. Light weight so it is easy for my wife and kids to shot.
2. Low recoil due to medium power round it fires
3. Adjustable stock and pistol grip makes it very ergonomic for all sizes of shooter.
4. Extremely accurate.

You think it is asinine - well everyone is welcome to their opinion. My friends and I disagree - and we simply ask that you leave us be to pursue our hobby. Go concentrate on violent criminals or some other actual threat.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:07 PM

33. Or, at the very least, a practical suggestion that could prevent the next school shooting

There's a lot of Kabuki theater going on up at Capitol Hill, very little of it having anything to do with keeping schoolchildren safe.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:12 PM

35. Is this what you are talking about?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:13 PM

37. Think what you want - no skin off my nose. nt

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:00 PM

80. This is HighPower rifle. What you found was 3 gun.








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Response to oneshooter (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:15 PM

88. Hello there. May I ask you a question?

http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showthread.php?422311-Democratic-Underground&p=5390070&viewfull=1#post5390070

Why is your sig line there a Reagan quote?

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem' --
- Ronald Reagan-

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #88)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:29 PM

92. I was a Marine for eight years.

And I believe it to be true.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:34 PM

95. Couldn't you find a quote from a non-disgusting politician?

Is RONALD FUCKING REAGAN the only public person who ever spoke well of the Marines?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:52 PM

42. and I used to hunt

with a 30.06 bolt action, and did just fine. If you can't bring down your prey with a single shot, you need more range time. In my hunting days, if you missed, you were laughed at. Remember - our forefathers fed themselves with black powder muzzle loading flintlocks, and there is no need at all for anything more than a single shot weapon for plinking.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:54 PM

43. I don't hunt - never have.

I am a target shooter in a sport where AR-15s are the most popular rifles.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:55 PM

44. Why do you do that?

What's the thrill? Why didn't you join the military and shoot some good weapons?
He'll you get to shoot machine guns in the military! I did.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:06 PM

50. I shot plenty of weapons during my 20 years of service

That is where I learned how fun is is.

Shooting is a lot of fun - takes a lot of skill. My entire family shoots so it is also quality time with my kids.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:23 PM

56. Unfortunately, there are twenty families

in Connecticut won't be spending any "quality time" with their kids.

Ever.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:29 PM

58. Which has nothing to do with me. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:32 PM

60. Really?

So I guess you don't buy that "no man is an island" crap, huh?

Seems to me, when children are slaughtered in our midst, it has something to do with all of us.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:37 PM

61. Why are your solutions the only acceptable ones?

why not attack root causes?

Single payer health care and a justice system focused on violent criminals will save more lives then me giving up target shooting.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:06 PM

71. Single payer health care? Sure,

even though the Connecticut shooter was from an affluent family which could afford any health care it wanted.

Justice system focused on violent criminals? Absolutely, though the Connecticut shooter, from what I've read, had no criminal record, certainly no record of criminal violence. Besides which, he somehow obtained his weapon from his mother--again, as far as I know, no criminal record.

So I don't see how either of these proposals would have been effective here.

But one thing that genuinely puzzles me is the narcissism implicit in your comment.

If I were engaging in an activity, with a "tool" or a "toy" or whatever you want to call it, that had any possibility whatsoever of being used to slaughter children, I'd at least consider whether my enjoyment of this activity was anywhere near as important as the preventing of that possible harm. Especially if the activity was simply a matter of fun. By that I mean, I really do try to take that "no man is an island" stuff to heart. But I guess this isn't usual, or at any case I often run across folks who seem not to be concerned at all about others, not a bit.

I'll give you an example. I used to, in the summer, go to a small community in upstate New York located around a lake. It isn't a huge lake, just big enough to scoot around in a power boat, or on a jetski. Some of the locals wanted very much to ban power boats and jetskis--aside from the noise there was, they contended, an element of risk to other people wanting to enjoy the water. The power boat folks said, no way, it's too much fun, we can be responsible. Eight years ago a kid swimming in the water got caught up in the blades of an outboard, and bled to death before help could arrive.

Guess what? The power boat folks STILL insist on their right to their fun. This one accident has nothing to do with them. They're "responsible" boat owners, why should they all "suffer" because of one accident?

Me, I'd think long and hard after an accident like that. I'd wonder if my fun was worth the added risk to the people around me. But these folks, not so much.

Of course, the analogy isn't perfect. And I'm trying not to sound holier than thou--but as I said I'm genuinely puzzled. Really, the response of gun owners, many of them anyway, to this atrocity in Connecticut has been astonishing. Not a shred of self-examination. Not a scintilla of self-doubt. Nope! It's fun! Good for the kiddies. Great bonding experience. And if, by some small chance, my toy SHOULD fall into the wrong hands and be used to slaughter a dozen or more innocent folks, well.... Well what? It's worth it? Them's the chances we take? Or, as one DU'er posted, we "just accept" that "that's life?"

Like I said, single payer--sure, though that to me is less likely to happen any time soon than an assault weapon ban.

Focus on violent crimes (and dismantle the prison-industrial complex)--no brainer, and I'm on it.

But how about SOME thought on whether or not your fun is really all that important, compared to the risk it poses to others? Like, maybe, isn't there some other way you can bond with your kids?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #71)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:09 PM

72. If there was a substance that was directly linked to death, illness, suicide and violence.

would you buy it? Would you support others buying it? If it contributed to just as many deaths as guns, should it be legal?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #72)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:26 PM

75. You're talking about what? Alcohol, drugs?

I see where you're going, and it's a tough question, given what I just said.

Certainly, if I thought MY alcohol consumption was a threat to others, I'd try not to drink. And if I saw someone else's drinking as a threat, I'd do what I could to intervene.

But no, I wouldn't make alcohol illegal. And I'm in favor of legalizing or decriminalizing most drugs. But like my motorboat analogy, I'm not certain this is a perfect fit. But like I said, it's a tough question for me to have to answer.

It's interesting that you mention this, though. I read a DU thread the other day (and you can do a site search to find it) that over time shooting a gun affects the same parts of the brain, releasing the same endorphines, as cocaine and other drug use. That target shooting is in fact addictive, in much the same way drugs (or gambling) are addictive. Which would explain to me why it's so tough for people who are really into it to consider giving it up.

So perhaps we should treat gun violence as a public health issue, and undo the NRA sponsored legislation that prevented the CDC from doing research in that direction?

I answered your question, so now please answer mine. Regardless of whether or not we make assault weapons illegal, doesn't it concern you at all, the thought that the instrument of your pleasure might someday quite literally become the instrument of someone else's death?

Given what happened in Connecticut, hasn't that thought ever crossed your mind?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:41 PM

79. I own other things that kill more children annually than AR-15s

So do you.

Where I live there have been exactly two gun deaths in 15 years - not bad for a town of 45,000. Alcohol related car accidents are unfortunately a common occurrence. I understand the real threat to me and my family. Yet I still like to drink alcohol.

I focus on people's behaviors, not possessions. Just like I know that myself and my friends can drink responsibly, I know that myself and my friends can own guns responsibly. Legal gun owners are not the problem. Focus on the real problems. Whether it be habitual criminals or people with mental illness, let's focus on them. Disarming me is not going to make you safer.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:18 AM

136. Except of course the mother of the Connecticut

shooter was a legal gun owner, right up until the moment her gun was used to kill her, after which it was used to slaughter all those children and their teachers. So it isn't only violent criminals we're talking about, or the mentally ill. It's people who own guns for what you probably see as perfectly legitimate reasons, who nonetheless end up providing the tools for people to do enormous damage.

And it still seems obvious to me that adding firearms into the mix of untreated mental health issues, substance abuse, plus the sheer number of stupid, deluded, angry people in this culture, makes the easy availability of weapons a deadly catalyst in situations that might not otherwise be lethal.

One thing I'm learning is why these weapons are so popular. It's spelled out on a DU thread, Upaloopa I think it was, posting an OP asking just that question. The basic answer I took away was: they're easy. Little recoil, easy to aim, easy to change magazines, easy to maintain, lightweight, etc. etc. Even a child can use them.

To me that's a big part of this issue. Simply put, it shouldn't be this easy for an adolescent with a grudge to kill so many people so quickly. And yes, I know nation wide that car wrecks kill almost as many as guns, so let's deal with that as well. I don't see this as an either/or issue, but rather a mix of problems which all need to be addressed--including the massive number of weapons sloshing around in our society.

Anyway, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, much as we agree on other issues.

Best wishes.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #72)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:35 PM

78. Here's a link to the thread I mentioned in my last post

which has a link to the original article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101653042

Best wishes.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:58 PM

68. I say you get to keep your AR if you can

Hit the center mass of the paper target while dancing on giant piano!




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Response to snooper2 (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:04 PM

70. I have no sense of rhythm - could be a real problem here. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:24 PM

117. You need another outlet for your problem.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #117)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:04 PM

124. I don't have a problem

I have a sport that I compete in.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:36 PM

18. How the hell can he get hard from that?

You can't have an orgasm without a really good spray, that thing is a micro penis that dribbles at best, if that were good enough he would already be well equipped, duh.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:06 PM

83. No, You Can't, And If You Enjoy It, And Are Resonsible About It

You won't mind a background check and comprehensive registration and tracking of your weapon so we know it's not used irresponsibly, since it poses a public health hazard in the wrong hands.

A minor inconvenience for you that can and will save lives. And you can still hug your gun until you fall peacefully asleep dreaming of slaughter. And the rest of us may sleep a bit better too knowing that if you are a maniac, planning to use your guns to slaughter a classroom full of kids, maybe we'll have a chance of identifying you as such before it happens. If your not, then it should be no skin off your back to go through this process to help make society a better and safer place for the rest of us.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:09 PM

85. Treasure that feeling of smug superiority

because that is as good as it will get for you. I think you will find the next couple of months very frustrating.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:14 PM

87. Is "Smug Sense Of Superiority" The New NRA Talking Point Or Something? So, IOW, You Can't Respond

With anything but defensive posturing and ad hominems? You have no thoughts about why a stricter control and regulations of these weapons is such an issue for you. What's the big deal? You love your weapons, so go through the process to keep them and in doins so, create a safer society for everyone.

Why is that a problem for you?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:25 PM

119. How long have you supported the NRA?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #119)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:05 PM

125. I resigned my membership 15 years ago.

now I just support civil liberties.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:09 PM

13. Dumb - On At Least Two Levels

1 - Suggestion that all gun owners own guns because they have a paranoid fantasy about fighting a rebellion against the government.

2 - I've seen few arguments by anyone other than fringe crazies suggesting there shouldn't be reasonable regulations on firearm ownership.

(Standard gun thread disclaimer - I don't own any guns).

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Response to NeedleCast (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:12 PM

36. Really?

2 - I've seen few arguments by anyone other than fringe crazies suggesting there shouldn't be reasonable regulations on firearm ownership.

Haven't been paying much attention then?

Unless you're considering the entire Republican party and the entire Republican base "fringe crazies".

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:11 PM

53. Nobody in the Republican party opposes the NFA, or keeping felons from having weapons

Some people do want to overturn the Hughes amendment, but that's a pretty fringe position even in the GOP.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:40 PM

62. I'm guessing that the problem is you define "reasonable" a tad more narrowly than most people.

The stats in this story indicate there are a lot of other restrictions that have broad support. Yet plenty of people on the right, and in our own gun form, insist these restrictions are terrible.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:10 PM

86. True! And from what I've seen the only tyranny these people feel

worth opposing by armed rebellion...is the "threat" of losing their guns.

Civil liberties? Not so much.

What's up with that?

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Response to NeedleCast (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:34 PM

40. Then you haven't been paying attention nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:42 PM

20. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:42 PM

41. GUNS are

Redneck Viagra!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:58 PM

46. May I remind NRA members

that the NRA was founded to improve marksmanship, safety, and training, and the NRA assisted in writing the first gun control laws, to stop the flood of "Tommy Guns" into the mobs. Further, the NRA was all about gun control during the time of the Black Panthers. Note how it is the opposite now that we have a black President? Guys, you're getting played.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:52 PM

65. The NRA has been opposed to gun control for more than four years

...this political stance didn't appear with our (your words) "black President".

Unless you were talking about WJC?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:15 PM

54. kick 100000000

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:29 PM

76. Talk about paranoid.

Pot. Meet kettle.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:32 PM

77. You have no right to a appropriate and resaonable public health policy

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:54 AM

134. Simplistic brainless shit is not helpful.

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