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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:11 AM

 

United States does not rule out invasion of Mali

The Government of Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama is 1) Helping France in its invasion of Mali, and 2) Not ruling out direct invasion itself, according to this New York Times report today:

In what could draw the United States into another conflict in North Africa, the Obama administration has pledged to help the French who are fighting Islamist militants in Mali, and that assistance could include air and other logistical support, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said on Monday.

The United States was already sharing intelligence with the French when their warplanes on Sunday struck camps, depots and other militant positions deep inside extensive Islamist-held territory in northern Mali. Defense officials said no decisions had been made on whether the United States would also offer help with midflight refueling planes and air transport, but they said those options were under review.

Defense officials would not rule out the possibility that American military transport planes might land in Mali, where the United States has been conducting an ambitious counterterrorism program for years. American spy planes and surveillance drones are in the meantime trying to get a sense of the chaos on the ground. The defense officials would not discuss whether the United States has armed drone aircraft over Mali.

But Mr. Panetta, who spoke to reporters on his plane en route to Portugal for a weeklong trip Europe, said that the chaos in Mali was of deep concern to the administration and praised the French for their actions. He also said what we have promised them is that we would work with them, to cooperate with them, to provide whatever assistance we can to try to help them in that effort.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/world/africa/leon-panetta-says-us-has-pledged-to-help-france-in-mali.html?_r=0

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Reply United States does not rule out invasion of Mali (Original post)
Welcome_hubby Jan 2013 OP
ag_dude Jan 2013 #1
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #4
ag_dude Jan 2013 #5
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #6
ag_dude Jan 2013 #7
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #9
ag_dude Jan 2013 #10
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #12
ag_dude Jan 2013 #15
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #17
ag_dude Jan 2013 #19
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #23
ag_dude Jan 2013 #18
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #22
ellisonz Jan 2013 #27
DCBob Jan 2013 #11
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #13
DCBob Jan 2013 #14
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #28
DCBob Jan 2013 #31
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #35
ag_dude Jan 2013 #16
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #25
FarCenter Jan 2013 #2
denverbill Jan 2013 #3
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #8
ag_dude Jan 2013 #20
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #21
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #24
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #26
maxsolomon Jan 2013 #29
samsingh Jan 2013 #30
flamingdem Jan 2013 #32
ellisonz Jan 2013 #34
datasuspect Jan 2013 #33

Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:18 AM

1. What would your preferred solution be?

Calling them jihadists isn't an exaggeration, they've proudly taken up that banner.

But hey, screw those Africans if they can't defend themselves, right?

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:00 AM

4. Did you like them when they fought in Libya?

 

Or are you not their friend anymore now that they are threatening French interest istead of opening up Libyan oilfields to the west?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:29 AM

5. The Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa...

...didn't really exit until after the Libyan civil war. A good portion of their strength did come from collecting arms in the chaos of that though.

But hey, don't let that stop you from digging up whatever unfounded and baseless zinger your mind first goes to.

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:02 PM

6. Riiiiiight.

 

Amazing how they just pop up when convenient for us to intervene but mysteriously disappear when we back them.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:19 PM

7. Why are you acting so condescending?

You do know that The Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa isn't just some boogie man right?

It's an actual organization with actual leaders. While closely related, they're not al-Qaeda, they're focused on the African nations. In fact, a large portion of the reason they exist is that area wasn't a priority for al-Qaeda.

They did not exist during the Libyan civil war, they developed in part due to the unrest there that allowed them to gain strength.

But go ahead, keep spouting that "all war is for oil" rhetoric. Those stupid Africans ought to be able defend themselves and all....

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:36 PM

9. If they can defend themselves then why are we helping?

 

Seems strange that France wasn't concerned about until " their interest" was at stake and the US is involved because " we can't allow AQ to get a foothold anywhere".

Why are willingly ignoring that this is another war we don't need to be involved in? It is another Obama war of choice?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:47 PM

10. It's not al-Qaeda

And no, they can't defend themselves against it and that's why they need our help.

This isn't about oil, it's about a nation that's about to be taken over and thrown back a few centuries. If we're even going to have a military, this is the kind of stuff it should be used for.

But seriously, what's your preference? Do nothing and let them fall?

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:51 PM

12. The US government said they are getting involved

 

because they say it is AQ. Are you saying they are lying?

Seems to be a number of defectors joining the movement so what does that tell you?

So you are OK with Obama's endless wars?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:58 PM

15. They're tied to al-Qaeda

It's not actually al-Qaeda and the Obama administration has been clear on that.

I'm okay with going in to stop what's going on in Mali, yes.

I've answered your question, now it's your turn.

Are you in favor of letting them fall to jihadists and the resulting oppression of human rights that will entail?

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:01 PM

17. Ohhhh, so being tied to AQ is enough.

 

Seems to me they want it.


Can you show where they have went on a mass murder spree?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:06 PM

19. Nope, not until you answer my question

I've shown you that respect even though your posts drip with racism.

Are you okay with an organization that splintered from al-Qaeda taking control of the country?

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:23 PM

23. You don't get it do you.

 

It's not mine or yours , it's theirs.

They seem to be deciding by themselves.

I didn't realize military force was another form of being a nanny.

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:21 PM

22. LOL. Is that the best you got?

 

Who said anything about oil?

Come back when you got something to say.

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

27. The poster your debating with is a lost cause.

This is what he thinks about the President:

When you wage war on entire regions

And ethnicities I believe you are categorically fall in the neocon ideology.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=367669


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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:49 PM

11. different situation entirely.

Getting rid of Kaddafy was in the best interest of most Libyans. In Mali these rebels seem to be only be interested taking over the country to set up a strict Islamist state with Sharia law. I doubt most Malians want that.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:52 PM

13. Really?

 

Because western oil corporations said so?

Do you have free medical. College?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:56 PM

14. You think most Libyans enjoyed living under the Gaddafi regime?

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Response to DCBob (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

28. Having the highest living standards on Africa

 

must have been horrible.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:44 PM

31. thats what oil and a low population will give you.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:15 PM

35. Luckily we saved them from that.

 

I give them less then a decade before the west strip mines their wealth and they destitute.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:00 PM

16. Keep pretending it's about oil.

You've made it clear that your free college education is more important to you than the human rights of Africans.

Perhaps if Don Cheadele makes a movie about it in a few years we can all pretend that we gave a shit back in 2013.

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:26 PM

25. Riiight, we are all about the "human rights"

 

We don't give two shots about the poor in our country much less the ones in others.

How does killing people and a massive bloated military help poor people?

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:21 AM

2. Desolate, filled with well-armed insurgents, Islamic fighters, hundreds of miles from the coast

Another multi-ethnic stew pot.

What can go wrong?

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:24 AM

3. You want to fight in Mali? Fine. Pay for it up front.

No war without tax revenues to pay for it.

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:21 PM

8. Does Mali have oil?

Seriously...that's what Libya was about, and France took the lead on that.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:19 PM

20. Not really, no.

They have no large scale production and are a net importer.

The screams of this being an oil play are rooted in racism. I mean, it's Africans, the only reason we could possibly care is for their oil right?

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Response to ag_dude (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:21 PM

21. Give it a rest...Iraq was about oil...

Is that racism too? Honestly...

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:24 PM

24. Yep. Interfering in civil wars has worked out so well...Vietnam, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Cambodia..

Will we be "helping" out the "legal government" of Syria too?

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:27 PM

26. How big a cut in Medicaid do we have to take to do that???

We can't even afford disaster relief to our own citizens

Now we have to help the French pound African soil?

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:35 PM

29. The US does not rule out any action

That's a basic principle of statecraft.

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:02 PM

30. i think its prudent to keep it on the table

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:45 PM

32. Several thousand French and other foreigners live there .. n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:25 PM

34. 90% of the population of Mali is not Tuareg...

...and I have seen no reports of them supporting the Tuareg rebels or the assorted terror groups including Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

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Response to Welcome_hubby (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:47 PM

33. DECLINE

 

war credit card was declined sir, would you like to try another?

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