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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:25 AM

 

Thanks to Bloomberg, NY to enact nations toughest gun laws, inc. manditory reapplying every 5 years

Thank you Mike Bloomberg for muscling this to a vote and through
and for getting Andrew Cuomo on board on an issue that was never of importance to him


http://www.wkbw.com/home/Jac-guns-186912121.html
The new gun law for New York State is expected to pass the Assembly, Tuesday. The law would increase the ban on assault style weapons. It will also not allow the sale of guns to those deemed mentally ill.
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It was passed in the Senate on Monday with a 43 to 18 vote.
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"In this package we not only addressing all the major issues that we set out to fix but we've done so in an inclusive and bipartisan way that has provided us with a comprehensive bill that so many of us can really be proud of. As we have said all along this is not about taking anyone's rights away but about securing the right of all New Yorkers to live in a safe and free society," Republican State Senator Jeffrey Klein said.

Here are some of the key details. The law broadens the definition of assault rifles to include those that have flash suppressors, a pistol grip or any other military-style features. A new gun permit process will help the state better track gun owners. Ammunition magazines will be reduced from 10 to seven rounds.

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Reply Thanks to Bloomberg, NY to enact nations toughest gun laws, inc. manditory reapplying every 5 years (Original post)
graham4anything Jan 2013 OP
Scuba Jan 2013 #1
alp227 Jan 2013 #8
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #2
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #3
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #4
guardian Jan 2013 #14
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #16
guardian Jan 2013 #18
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #20
krispos42 Jan 2013 #5
graham4anything Jan 2013 #6
krispos42 Jan 2013 #7
guardian Jan 2013 #11
graham4anything Jan 2013 #13
Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #28
guardian Jan 2013 #12
alp227 Jan 2013 #9
randome Jan 2013 #26
graham4anything Jan 2013 #10
sarisataka Jan 2013 #17
graham4anything Jan 2013 #19
sarisataka Jan 2013 #21
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #22
graham4anything Jan 2013 #23
nick of time Jan 2013 #31
graham4anything Jan 2013 #36
Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #29
graham4anything Jan 2013 #15
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #24
graham4anything Jan 2013 #25
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #27
graham4anything Jan 2013 #32
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #30
B2G Jan 2013 #33
graham4anything Jan 2013 #35
B2G Jan 2013 #37
graham4anything Jan 2013 #38
B2G Jan 2013 #39
Recursion Jan 2013 #34

Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:39 AM

1. I like the "every five year" reapplication idea. Background checks should include ....

... looking at associations with hate groups like the Tea Party and looking at Facebook posts.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:59 AM

8. You never know when they'll start targeting DUers.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:42 AM

2. That's my state!

I have mixed feelings about Bloomberg but on this issue I'm with him 100%.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:47 AM

3. While local laws are a good step, we need federal anti-trafficking intervention

Chicago is the object lesson here. Oh, how the gun nuts love to laugh and point at the misery on the South and West side of Chicago. With your tough gun laws, they laugh, why so many dead black and brown kids? Oh hardy har har! I suppose it doesn't work, pish posh.

Of course, they know perfectly well that the legal and "responsible" gun owners and sellers (of Indiana especially) are feeding the illicit market and getting rich off it. They know that it is only non-local federal provisions that can deal ultimately with the problem. They know we need tough penalties for anyone who fails to report a gun lost or stolen - the usual con job of the straw buyers - as well as detailed tracking of sales and ownership. Local laws are a good start, but we need strict enforcement of existing laws, new federal registration and tracking laws, and anti-trafficking laws in particular.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:05 AM

4. Why 5 years?

Why not 1?

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:24 AM

14. Why not weekly?

 

And increase the fee to $1000 per week. That way only the rich can afford guns.

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Response to guardian (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:33 AM

16. Too lax.

Needs to be daily.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:45 AM

18. Even better

 

let's assign a government minder to shadow all gun owners and monitor all their activities, associations, and communications.

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Response to guardian (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:03 PM

20. Just the one?

At least 2, think of the jobs that will create!

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:30 AM

5. So, nothing that affects the rate of fire, but does effect the ergonomics.

Nice.

So a New Yorker can't have this semiautomatic .223 fed from a detachable magazine...
(pistol grip, flash suppressor, telescoping buttstock)



Or have this semiautomatic .223 fed from a detachable magazine...
(flash suppressor)



But they can have THIS semiautomatic .223 fed from a detachable magazine...





Well, I'm sure this will help.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:39 AM

6. Why do you feel the need to post smut pictures like those?

 

I have found, whenever a gunnie is losing an argument, they resort to posting big large ugly smutty pictures of WMDs to obscure the thread.

it is oh so predictable

As has been found out, Gun people are scared shitttless about the meek Mayor Mike.
and even more so, pro-gun people are scared about running primaries against the pro-nra
with new anti-nra democratic candidates

like happened in California.(tata Baca).

step by step
one by one
they will all the pro-NRA, pro-gun candidates will fall like dominoes

may take six years, but it is happening

the NRA is dead.
And it was Zimmerman that made it happen.

Mr. Trayvon Martin, who might have cured cancer when he became an adult out of college,
did not die in vain.

God Bless Michael Bloomberg, private citizen for spending his personal money on this.

til the last gun has left the streets.
and any attempt at overthrowing the government should be met swiftly like the Benedict Arnolds they are (maybe we can call in Janet Reno to lead a new position).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 AM

7. Sorry to burst your illusion of safety and progress.

Deal with it.

My statement is factually true. And it will be true until and unless the State of New York outlaws all semi-automatic rifles. Period.



Congratulations, you're getting laws passed. If that was your goal, then you've achieved it. But be aware of what you've achieved... a big propaganda victory and a nominal practical one.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:11 AM

11. rambling hyperbole much?

 

Let's see. We have:

* fear of pictures
* smut
* weapons of mass destruction
* dominoes
* Trayvon Martin
* cure for cancer
* Benedict Arnold
* Janet Reno

Let me know when a coherent post appears.

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Response to guardian (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:21 AM

13. Mike Bloomberg. The GREAT Equalizer. Here's a cute picture for you.

 

my comments are understood by the 99% of the world who don't want guns
the NRA is the 1%.
4.3 lifetime members out of 330 million is 1% rounded
(and so many of those 4.3 are dead, the NRA never takes anyone off their totals.)

The curtain has been revealed

The NRA is dead, but like the Knights who said Ni, they just don't realize it yet.

I can fully understand though why you would not like Mike Bloomberg.

Mike Bloomberg. The GREAT Equalizer. And his target is the guns in the street.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j_Bcf_6uMS4/R7MOJ6J6mwI/AAAAAAAACRI/0-9FbGwfFQo/s320/bloomberg+on+top+of+tweed.jpg

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:00 PM

28. Because it is factual?

and shows that this is theater when all is said and done? This used to be a board where facts were important.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:21 AM

12. Don't you know that

 

mentally unstable mass murdering homicidal maniacs will be incapacitated if you take away

* deadly flash suppressors, and
* use of evil black plastic (though gov't studies may be needed to determine if pink plastic is still evil)

The R.E.A.L solution is to provide mentally unstable mass murdering homicidal maniacs with better vision care. That way they will be able to read the 'gun free zone' signs better.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:02 AM

9. I wouldn't trust a mayor who bans soda and painkillers with gun laws.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:42 PM

26. 'Bans painkillers'. Wow, did you mis-read that.

Bloomberg is no saint but he stopped the practice of issuing narcotics from EMERGENCY ROOMS because the practice was being abused.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:09 AM

10. That is why more cameras and law enforcement are needed to shoot down any loopholes found

 

I fully support any war powers or patriot act items needed to deal with anyone attempting to pull any gun or bullet out in NYC and/or overthrow the government.

As the NRA wants armed guards everywhere, let's have Eric Holder train those soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanastan to be positioned on every street corner in America
Better the feds than the Paul Blart Zimmerman's, I am sure you would agree.

BTW, that facility in Michigan someone posted about, sure reminds me of Waco's compound.
Needs to be monitored 24/7/365.

this isn't fun and games anymore.
this is life and death.

Damn wish there were drones and cameras and 24/7/365 watches to have been there to take care of James Earl Ray prior to his doing what he did in Memphis, same with Oswald, same
with the awipe who got John Lennon.

and btw, the NRA will be to blame for any/all who whine later about the new eyes in the sky
and all that.

I know if I see something, I will report it

Terrorist weapon mass destruction-any gun and bullet.

fun and games is over.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:35 AM

17. Stop and frisk nation wide!!!!

I fully support any war powers or patriot act items needed to deal with anyone attempting to pull any gun or bullet out in NYC and/or overthrow the government.

As the NRA wants armed guards everywhere, let's have Eric Holder train those soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanastan to be positioned on every street corner in America

Anything we need to be safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought this was a liberal/progressive site...........

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:50 AM

19. My first amendment rights are violated by your second.

 

I need to feel safe going to the supermarket, restaurant, movie theatre, library, anywhere we choose to go
that is my right to peaceful assembly

this is terrroristic war.
guns are actual WMDs

the time for fun and games is over.

My right to assemble peacefully need not be violated.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:06 PM

21. Logic fail

My first amendment rights are violated by your second.
If and only if I abuse my 2nd amendment rights i.e. commit murder.

I need to feel safe going to the supermarket, restaurant, movie theatre, library, anywhere we choose to go
that is my right to peaceful assembly
We have laws to protect that. There are some who do not follow laws; we call them criminals.

this is terrroristic war.
um, no it's not.
guns are actual WMDs
no they are not. Trust me on this, you don't want to ever see a WMD in action.

My right to assemble peacefully need not be violated.
So you want 1A rights and are willing to accept constant government monitoring, government agents everywhere, warrant-less seraches, communications monitoring, indefinite confinement without habeas corpus and the occasional executive assassination to keep those rights.

Do you actually believe you will have those rights or do you just like the illusion?

Edit- forgot racial profiling, as NYC shows us, we have to have those abuses weighted against certain people...

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:07 PM

22. The gun isn't violating any of your rights

A gun is a useless piece of metal when it's just sitting there. It won't do anything to you.

In order for it to hurt you, someone would need to pick it up and pull the trigger.

The same with any weapon whether it's a knife, a baseball bat, or a bow and arrow. Anybody can violate your "right to safety" with any object he picks up.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:34 PM

23. unless someone slams a door, the gun falls, goes off and kills 26 people

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:09 PM

31. Someone slams a door, the gun falls, goes off and kills 26 people.

 


Modern guns don't go off by falling down.
At least try to get your "facts" right.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:51 PM

36. actuaally, no you don't. It can fall and go off. A bowling ball can't kill 26 people in a second

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:02 PM

29. Holy Moly! nt

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:26 AM

15. 34 Americans Murdered with a gun every single day in America

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:37 PM

24. Michael "Wall Street billionaire" "NYPD is my private army" "destroy Occupy" Bloomberg

 

gives his "stop and frisk" "spy on all American Muslims" "I just make arrests and let the judge sort it out" NYPD guns but citizens can't have them?

FUCK Bloomberg. Doesn't this disturb anyone?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:42 PM

25. the NYPD is their own entity. This is about guns. And he is a private citizen just like you

 

you seem to be confusing people anyhow.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:55 PM

27. Sophistry. They do what he says. And you can google that "private army" quote. Please do. Also:

 

This is Occupy, and this is NYPD:





That's a court order she's waving, before being punched in the face by NYPD, to allow Occupiers into Zuccotti. NYPD didn't.

I don't have handy the pic of NYPD whiteshirt Anthony Bologna pepper-spraying citizens from behind with a hateful expression on his face (just after he'd pepper-sprayed several women, one of them deaf, who had been "kettled" behind orange netting). Or of Roumanian, who was bloodied by them and arrested; there are photos of his bloody face online. And of Winski saying he didn't need a reason to arrest Occupiers; he'd let the judge sort it out. And that Bloomberg's girlfriend was involved with the company who own Zuccotti. (Private ownership of public space.)

If you'd been watching Occupy channels from the beginning, you'd understand. Much less that "stop and frisk" was just partially struck down as unConstitutional. And that even the FBI said NYPD were way overboard regarding spying upon Muslim Americans. And there's more. I encourage you to research this topic.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:42 PM

32. Did you complain when Robert Kennedy wiretapped Martin Luther King Jr.?

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:07 PM

30. "Private citizen" is not the same as "citizen."

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:45 PM

33. Yay! IT worked so well for DC and Chicago!!

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Response to B2G (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:49 PM

35. NYC crime has gone down to lowest ever. Bloomberg should go national.

 

If Bloomberg goes back to a democrat, would love to see Hillary45/Bloomberg in 2016

As Bill Clinton said, had he been allowed to campaign in 2000, Al Gore wouldn't have lost to Ralph Nader and The NRA

now, the NRA is dead. And the Waco like terrorists stockpiling guns will be stopped.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:52 PM

37. It went down WITHOUT these latest measures.

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Response to B2G (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:04 PM

38. Just think how much more it will.

 

man and woman can live without a gun

or have a gun without bullets
and still hunt, still collect, still target shoot

guns are a prison, for the same conspiracy theorists who worry about being locked away
those with gun already are locked away, living in fear.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:18 PM

39. And you haven't addressed Chicago & DC

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:47 PM

34. Can anybody give me a sane reason for banning pistol grips? They're safer than traditional grips

Why is it a good thing to force shooters to use a less-safe grip style?

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