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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:11 AM

Is it just me?

Or does this chart indicate that Democrats are equally as bad as Republicans and the only true freedom loving Americans include Libertarians, Objectivists and Swing-Voters? (Ayn Rand invented Objectivism, BTW)

I found this a few minutes ago approvingly posted to DU as if it was making some kind of really good point.

Both sides do it, eh?


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Reply Is it just me? (Original post)
Fumesucker Jan 2013 OP
Hissyspit Jan 2013 #1
Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #2
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #3
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #4
Skidmore Jan 2013 #5
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #6
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #7
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #8
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #9
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #10
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #13
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15
raouldukelives Jan 2013 #11
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #14

Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:15 AM

1. It's bullshit.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:21 AM

2. It's not just you. You are correct.


Dumbing down the political spectrum to a bipolar "liberty" and "tyranny" is the favoirte schtick of Libertarians. Since anti-statism is all that Libertarians really have to offer that appeals to some people on the left, they only talk about that and act as if there's nothing else.

Any political diagram that is worth something will include: Economics, Social Policy, Statism, etc. and many more categories. Only then can one point out the real differences between libertarian woo and Liberalism.

You called it as it is. Dumbing down political charts to inlcude only one political dimension is the oldest trick that the Libertarians have. These kind of diagrams were used to try to convince my mother that she might as well stop being a hippie and could just as well start being a Libertarian as early as back in the 60's (I still have some of the JBS literature that they handed out to her). All goes back to Hayek's Road to Serfdom, where all political dimensions are dissolved to the category of "liberty" and "tyranny". A cheap trick that only convinces those who don't know better (which sadly are quite a few).

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:26 AM

3. Reminds me of a Dream Catcher, fwiw

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:31 AM

4. That basic model has been pushed since at least the mid 1960s

I first saw it in a HS freshman social studies class.

The addition of the freedom vs serfdom thing is a more recent addition.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:41 AM

5. That chart is complete and utter drivel

created by a political mindset that is invested in capitalism as the penultimate economic model for a society and that is all it reflects. An ordering of people based on consenting to be robbed in the guise of preserving their freedoms is the great lie. Remove religion from it . We need to disabuse ourselves of the notion that the consent of a people to share resources with equity is tyrannical and the flipside notion that the every man is the king of his own island held by libertarians is freedom. The human condition is more nuanced than this chart presents and the authors of this chart are clearly inside the box.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 07:58 AM

6. In the chart, libertarians are one of six groups ...

... in direct opposition to tyranny and in full support of liberty.

The chart is stupid, but you aren't reading it properly.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:08 AM

7. So you are in full accord with the objectives of the Libertarian party?

And Objectivists are explicitly Randian, Ayn Rand invented Objectivism, do you think they too are opposed to tyranny and in full support of liberty?



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:11 AM

8. Just as sure as you are a Stalinist.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:14 AM

9. Your words verbatim

In the chart, libertarians are one of six groups ...

... in direct opposition to tyranny and in full support of liberty.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:08 AM

10. But you decided to ignore where I said, "The chart is stupid."

What should that be telling me about you?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:48 AM

12. How does one read a "stupid" chart "properly"?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:55 AM

13. I did that for you already.

Your sole motivation for responding to me is to create argument.

No thanks.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:00 AM

15. That's odd, I feel exactly the same way about you

Including your very first post on this thread.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:31 AM

11. Calling that chart garbage is an understatement. nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:57 AM

14. BS Chart.

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