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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:34 PM

Koch Brothers behind push to raise Social Security retirement age (UPDATE: Nazi connection)

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Go to minute 4:20 for a good break down on this with contributions from Bernie Sanders (5:10 min), etc.



NOTE: SEE POST BELOW FOR KOCH CONNECTIONS TO THE NAZIS

POST #22
by DonCoquixote


via Isle Koch

(Also it is mentioned in the doc -section on Fred Koch)

A little rundown here:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-500857



I thought we were fighting the Civil War again, turns out it's WWII !

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Ilse Koch was the Nazi's specialist in making objects from human skin; was the only woman charged with war crimes; and along with her husband was in charge of one of the most horrific horror camps in Nazi Germany.

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Reply Koch Brothers behind push to raise Social Security retirement age (UPDATE: Nazi connection) (Original post)
flamingdem Jan 2013 OP
UTUSN Jan 2013 #1
flamingdem Jan 2013 #3
Chakab Jan 2013 #24
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
flamingdem Jan 2013 #4
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #6
flamingdem Jan 2013 #11
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #14
daleanime Jan 2013 #29
flamingdem Jan 2013 #30
daleanime Jan 2013 #31
flamingdem Jan 2013 #32
pansypoo53219 Jan 2013 #52
Historic NY Jan 2013 #5
We People Jan 2013 #15
ReRe Jan 2013 #21
We People Jan 2013 #33
MichiganVote Jan 2013 #7
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #9
MichiganVote Jan 2013 #10
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #12
catbyte Jan 2013 #8
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #13
LarryNM Jan 2013 #19
BE10sCoach Jan 2013 #16
flamingdem Jan 2013 #18
We People Jan 2013 #34
samsingh Jan 2013 #17
renate Jan 2013 #20
flamingdem Jan 2013 #23
flamingdem Jan 2013 #26
DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #22
flamingdem Jan 2013 #25
We People Jan 2013 #35
flamingdem Jan 2013 #40
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #43
DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #57
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #58
Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #27
flamingdem Jan 2013 #28
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #36
flamingdem Jan 2013 #37
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #39
flamingdem Jan 2013 #41
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #45
flamingdem Jan 2013 #48
Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #54
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #38
flamingdem Jan 2013 #42
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #44
flamingdem Jan 2013 #46
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #47
flamingdem Jan 2013 #49
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #50
flamingdem Jan 2013 #51
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #53
cali Jan 2013 #55
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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:44 PM

1. R#2 & K for, well of *course* they are!1 n/t

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:47 PM

3. I didn't know this was being pushed so much by them

and thought it was more of a general Republican talking point. Just like privatization was a while ago.

I attended a focus group on this subject a few years ago and noticed that no one was complaining about the topic -- retiring at a later age. I was the only one who thought it was a bad idea, the others were resigned to "working until they drop" etc. So now I realize that focus group was probably funded by the Koch Bros. It was conducted by a firm out of Washington called Greenberg I think.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:47 PM

2. The diabolical dual from Kansas. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:48 PM

4. Why don't they just let their horns grow out

and get their evil on more openly?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:57 PM

6. Hmmm, the horny cock brothers. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:07 PM

11. ha ha that's it .. they're just sexually repressed

Dr. Ruth should "treat" them mit zee sekret treatment!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:09 PM

14. ...

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:56 AM

29. Dr. Ruth....

is far too good for them.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:04 AM

30. How about instead we call on...


... Dr. Mengele!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:09 AM

31. It's amazing for a simple black and white photo....

can just ooze evil.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:19 AM

32. I agree! Here he is in a "nice guy" pose but it still makes me uneasy



I think we can get a "vibe" from a photo, even this one has an undercurrent.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:10 AM

52. i use kock brothers.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:55 PM

5. K&R..

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:15 PM

15. "Appropriating" more $$$ gives them their jollies and their raison d'etre

Knowing about people like this convinces me that There is a Hell, and their due will finally come to them when and however they arrive there.

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Response to We People (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:29 AM

21. Yeah...

...death is the great equalizer. I would really like to know why they do this. It's difficult to understand a criminal's mind. What's a few bucks when you have billions of $$s?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:40 AM

33. I know. Somebody elsewhere in this thread said it well...

They are just as greedy for control and power as well as money.

I swear, they and some others of the 1% are on a fast track to destroying this country.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:59 PM

7. So these bozo's have more money than God,right?So WTF do they give a shit about when I

retire and claim the goddamn money I have paid toward SS for decades.

Jesus, these two meddling bastards are worse than my mother in law. Get a fucking life clowns and leave people the fuck alone.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:03 PM

9. Money just doesn't do it for these two anymore. They want the whole F'en country, and

they want to own and control you, to have you kiss their boots. That, is what they are all about, power and control, when money just isn't enough to satisfy their greed and lust.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:06 PM

10. Ok, take my money cuz' I will never kiss the ass of this type. Been offered by better men than these

and I didn't kiss their arse either.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:07 PM

12. K&R !!! n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:59 PM

8. I know it is bad karma to hope someone dies, but the sooner those two plagues upon the

Earth shuffle off this mortal coil, the better off we'll all be.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:07 PM

13. They are only two of the many. They are more visable. We must fight the many. nm

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Response to catbyte (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:50 PM

19. You Would Think that after David's Near Fatal Aircrash

that things would be different, but he seems to take it that he is destined to rule the world, or what he can of it.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:39 PM

16. Koch Brothers

Let those "sons of bitches" do some hard labor at ages from 65 to 70 and see how they feel. It's all pretty easy when all you do is sit around and count your money you Scum!

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Response to BE10sCoach (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:47 PM

18. Good idea, ball 'n chain plus pick ax sound

like a good idea for them, it's good exercise!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:42 AM

34. May their afterlives be haunted by such activities and sounds, with no way out

for a long, long time...

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:40 PM

17. kick

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:25 AM

20. why are they so mean?

I honestly would like to know. It feels so much better to be a nice person--have they just never experienced it first hand?

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Response to renate (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:31 AM

23. If you watch the whole doc there's something about the Dad

and his evilness... but I can't remember!

The doc ends with the irony of David Koch giving 500 mill to a cancer center BECAUSE he had cancer.. but he ignored the people dying of cancer due to the pollution pouring out of one of his plants!

Idiots... no sense of ethics... no sense of humanity.

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Response to renate (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:36 AM

26. Please check the post below, many links to the Nazis!

Who knew? Well it wasn't hard to imagine..

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:29 AM

22. There are few families

whose history has them supporting both Hitler and Stalin. Whether it is helping found the John Birch society, or helping Grover Norquist, the list of ways these people have tried to become virtual kings is long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch
http://unknownjournal.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/%E2%96%BC-report-the-kochs-their-nazi-past-american-oil-the-foundation-of-republican-ideology/
http://my.madison.com/forums/Topic4463094-2890-1.aspx

These folks are Fascists, pure and simple.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:36 AM

25. Thanks! I wanted to know more about the family

Full on Nazis! Should have known.

And the Libertarian schtick is a way to ideologically create a false front to distract from their barbaric behavior.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:47 AM

35. So some of the creators of the Tea Party have Nazi ties as well as being fascists

Why are we not surprised?!

Republicans + NRA + Tea Partiers = Treason. The ruination of this country.

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Response to We People (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:14 AM

40. I didn't think of Nazis but there is the whole history of business ties with Republicans

and when you think of the anti-human ideas and actions of the Repukes, NRA, Tea Party .. it has to come from some kind of history and Nazis are part of it.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:21 AM

43. The American Koch family came to the US from Holland in the 1880s. There's no evidence they

 

are related to the family of Ilse Koch's husband, no evidence Ilse Koch's husband was related to Erich Koch, no evidence Erich Koch had anything to do with oil sales in Nazi Germany, & no evidence the Kochs ever did business with the Nazis.

On the contrary, they did business with Stalin.

That article is a contentless smear, pure & simple. "They have the same name! So they're related!"

The Kochs are creeps & it has nothing to do with the Nazis.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #43)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:57 PM

57. I can respect you

Though one look at Ise Koch's photo and the boys seems to disagree, as they have the same facial features.. but,let's toss that away.

The fact they formed the John Birch society,with begat the MCCarthy era, after HELPING STALIN, is more than enough.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:01 PM

58. yes, so why don't we stick to what they actually did, eh? why the need to bring false claims

 

about nazis in?

Her name was Ilse, & her maiden name was KOHLER, not KOCH. Her husband was the KOCH.

So whatever resemblance you're seeing is entirely a creation of your own mind.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:36 AM

27. k/r

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:54 AM

28. They have a Facebook Page "The Koch Sucking Koch Brothers"

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:48 AM

36. Better check all the furniture at the Koch's homes :(

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:02 AM

37. You are amazing, I never

would have thought of that, for sure they have some family hairlesslooms around the place.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:12 AM

39. Actually, a novel had immediately sprung to mind, inspiring my dark post :(

 

No, I'm not going to name it. You don't want it in your head.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:17 AM

41. This web page has an image you might not want to see

Some of Ilsa's handiwork! And more about how heinous she was, gak. You can tell me the name, it can't be that bad can it?

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/naziwomen/ilse.htm

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:34 AM

45. "Use of Weapons" by Iain M. Banks

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:39 AM

48. Thanks, I heard about this writer in San Francisco but didn't

write his name down. The people speaking about him were really enthused, I'll have to check it out but it sounds like it's rough going.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:24 AM

54. Some of his stuff is great but there is always a thread of acidic darkness finding its way through.

 

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:12 AM

38. Did you see the note "not vetted by CNN"? There's no connection between Fred Koch & Ilse Koch.

 

The American Kochs came to TX from the Netherlands in the 1880s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Koch_%28businessman%29


Karl Koch (Ilse's husband) was born in darmstadt near frankfurt. erich koch was born about 300km away in wuppertal near dusseldorft. Having the same name doesn't make them relatives, and there's no evidence they were. There's also no evidence that Erich Koch had anything to do with oil sales in Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Otto_Koch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Koch


There's also an obvious factual error in that article:

"After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expand the oil empire to the Soviet Union."

Wrong: Fred Koch's Soviet business was *before* WW2, not after:

Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_C._Koch

Fred Koch offered to build oil refineries in the Soviet Union that would be more efficient than those in the West. The young engineer's ideas were welcomed, and he was awarded a large contract to coincide with Stalin's first five-year plan, beginning in 1929. The contract called for construction of 15 refineries for an initial fee of $5 million, from which Koch and his partner, L. E. Winkler, are said to have netted a $500,000 profit. Koch's work in the Soviet Union necessitated sojourns in that country, offering the Texas farmboy an intimate look at the Soviet system while providing the cash he would later need in building his U.S. empire.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/koch-industries-inc-history/

There's no evidence that Fred Koch was related to Ilse Koch, no evidence he did anything with "Erich Koch," no evidence that Erich Koch was any relation of Ilse's, no evidence that the Kochs did any business with the Nazis -- & none is offered in that article. It's all smear & innuendo.

"They're all Kochs, they *must be* related!"

The Kochs are creeps, but not because they're related to Ilse Koch.



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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:19 AM

42. Yes, I was skimming, somewhat convinced by the oil company thing

but aware it could be false, but then again there is a certain historical background in play and similar connections with the Bush family so one can speculate a little, but agreed not quite this much.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:24 AM

44. "could be" false? There's not one iota of evidence offered in that article for *any* of the claims

 

it makes.

It's pure smear, without any evidence whatsoever.

I have no brief for the Kochs, but this is just smear journalism. And it's really bad smear journalism, because it's pretty easy to refute. I'm surprised CNN allowed this on their website, even with the disclaimer ("not vetted by CNN")

Who wrote it? Some so-called 'artist' in NYC. "damien crisp': the bald guy.

http://www.picssr.com/photos/9009333@N06/popular-interesting

If I were you, I wouldn't put my name to such trash.

There's plenty of real dirt on the Kochs, why go for this garbage.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:35 AM

46. Well I was agreeing with you, but I think humans are complex and these connections

underline the capacity of these men to destroy others in the most cold and calculating manner, reminiscent of the Nazis.

So for me it is valuable to think about these connections, I think most of us know it's a stretch but there is a trace of the Nazis in these men.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:39 AM

47. It's not a stretch: it's false.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:41 AM

49. They deserve it n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:54 AM

50. the same kind of people say "he deserves it" when they smear obama. low shit.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:57 AM

51. I think you're taking this a bit too seriously

Seriously. Also, people can think for themselves and it's clear that no one has the goods but as I said it might as well be true. I bet that your post will not generate much interest because people don't care either way.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:16 AM

53. I've never understood the mind of the propagandist, but republican, democrat, nazi or communist,

 

there seem to be similarities.

some people actually do care about truth, you know.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:56 AM

55. thanks for speaking up on this

truth is always malleable and disposable to those controlled solely by ideology.

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Response to cali (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:58 AM

56. thanks for the support.

 

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