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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:09 PM

 

Right now on FireDogLake front page

there are three stories critical of President Obama, and no stories critical of Republicans.

'nuf said.


"Obama Administration Won’t Show Secret Legal Opinions for Targeted Killings to US Senator"

"Obama doesn’t want to get around the debt ceiling, he wants to beat the Republicans on it. Obama seems to believe he can win at a game of chicken, despite his rather abysmal track record so far."

"President Obama holds a press conference on the debt ceiling at 11:30 am ET today. NBC News reports that he will announce the US is sending drones and surveillance equipment to support the French in Mali."

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Reply Right now on FireDogLake front page (Original post)
michigandem58 Jan 2013 OP
zappaman Jan 2013 #1
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #2
SidDithers Jan 2013 #3
Gman Jan 2013 #4
Whisp Jan 2013 #5
Aerows Jan 2013 #82
leftstreet Jan 2013 #6
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #7
demmiblue Jan 2013 #8
pscot Jan 2013 #18
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #19
freshwest Jan 2013 #26
suffragette Jan 2013 #88
demmiblue Jan 2013 #28
FarPoint Jan 2013 #30
NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #55
demmiblue Jan 2013 #60
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #9
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #10
demmiblue Jan 2013 #11
WillyT Jan 2013 #12
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #17
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #21
freshwest Jan 2013 #13
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #15
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #14
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #16
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #20
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #24
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #27
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #22
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #25
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #73
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #23
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #29
zeemike Jan 2013 #49
Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #31
Aerows Jan 2013 #32
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #33
leveymg Jan 2013 #34
Aerows Jan 2013 #36
bvar22 Jan 2013 #35
Aerows Jan 2013 #37
whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #40
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #56
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #87
snooper2 Jan 2013 #38
Aerows Jan 2013 #39
demmiblue Jan 2013 #42
snooper2 Jan 2013 #44
demmiblue Jan 2013 #46
snooper2 Jan 2013 #53
MelungeonWoman Jan 2013 #68
snooper2 Jan 2013 #69
davidpdx Jan 2013 #59
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #67
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #77
Aerows Jan 2013 #81
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #84
Aerows Jan 2013 #86
bluestate10 Jan 2013 #51
Romulox Jan 2013 #72
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #75
whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #41
blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #43
KoKo Jan 2013 #45
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #48
KoKo Jan 2013 #50
JEB Jan 2013 #61
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #47
NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #52
liberalmuse Jan 2013 #54
BlueCheese Jan 2013 #57
Enrique Jan 2013 #58
spanone Jan 2013 #62
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #76
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #63
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #64
michigandem58 Jan 2013 #65
Romulox Jan 2013 #71
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #74
JEB Jan 2013 #79
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #83
JEB Jan 2013 #85
whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #80
sendero Jan 2013 #66
bobduca Jan 2013 #78
Romulox Jan 2013 #70

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:10 PM

1. Only 3? n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:11 PM

2. I guess they're slipping n/t

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:11 PM

3. DU rec...nt

Sid

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:12 PM

4. Must be an off day

people on vacation, out with the flu, etc.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:14 PM

5. lol

at least they aren't infesting DU as much as a while back. More people figured out that if it comes out of firelake, it's probably hyper anti-Obama bullshit.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:42 PM

82. You got that right, my friend

Those folks just rant without intelligence.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:16 PM

6. I wouldn't have known that if you hadn't posted n/t

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:17 PM

7. There's a reason somebody coined the term "firebagger" n/t

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:21 PM

8. If you are so concerned, why bring this up?

You are just driving traffic there.

Perhaps that is your goal.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:31 PM

18. Or maybe he's just trolling

to see who rises to the bait.

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Response to pscot (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:33 PM

19. This one claimed to have "lost" $80 a biweekly paycheck due to FICA holiday expiration

When it was pointed out that that would put his or her income at about $100,000, the poster mysteriously deleted his own thread and hauled ass.

Now the poster is back, again trying to point out schisms between those on the Left.

One wonders about the lack of subtlety, at the very least.

Here's this morning's catastrophic attempt to revive the "Liberals are Mad at Obama about the Payroll Tax" thang:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2189006



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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:39 PM

26. That's even more telling. Thanks for the links.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:29 AM

88. Good catch - everyone should read your post

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Response to pscot (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:44 PM

28. Well, there does seem to be a following via recs.

A sorry lot, they are (in the defense of a troll).

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:44 PM

30. I'm beginning to recognize the style of such threads....

Like the scent of napalm in the morning.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:13 PM

55. Because there is another thread linking to FDL.

It is (unfortunately) no longer a reliable site. It used to be good, but has become a Leftist anti-Obama version of WorldNutDaily. Most of their articles cannot be verified. Those that can have been "spun" so much as to be unrecognizable.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:21 PM

9. Would they have been critical of Bush for thr same reason?

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:22 PM

10. You should alert on them

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:22 PM

11. Lulz

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:25 PM

12. MUST... FOLLOW... THE... LEADER...

Yeah... that's what FDL does.... exactly what President Obama asked us to do... hold his feet to the fire.



And I gotta ask... is one of those "critical" stories the one that has a DEMOCRATIC SENATOR asking for the information he is due... BY LAW ???

Or did you not know that Ron Wyden IS a Democrat.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022192140


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Response to WillyT (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:30 PM

17. Of the 3, only 1 is critical...

I don't think the OP actually read the articles. I think an assumption was made that since Obama was mentioned in the headline, it must be criticism.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:36 PM

21. I've edited the OP to show the critical slant of each article. n/t

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:25 PM

13. Very telling.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:27 PM

15. Did you confirm this for yourself? Of the 3, only one was critical of President Obama.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:26 PM

14. Here are the ones I found...

A straightforward reporting of Obama's press conference today.
http://firedoglake.com/2013/01/14/president-obamas-press-conference-2/

Another is a report on the debt ceiling negotiations and Obama is looking pretty good.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2013/01/14/obama-really-wants-to-play-chicken/

This is one that criticizes President Obama for keeping the legal framework for the drone program.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/01/14/obama-administration-wont-show-secret-legal-opinions-for-targeted-killings-to-us-senator/

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:30 PM

16. This is how they make PBO look good on the debt ceiling?

 

"Obama doesn’t want to get around the debt ceiling, he wants to beat the Republicans on it. Obama seems to believe he can win at a game of chicken, despite his rather abysmal track record so far."

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:35 PM

20. Joined DU the night of the first debate, huh?

I'll bet you really, really thought Romney was gonna win, huh?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:37 PM

24. Actually, I'm defending PBO here

 

if you stop and think a bit.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:42 PM

27. Yeah

OK, bud.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:37 PM

22. I don't see that as criticism in a political sense.

The piece of a pretty straightforward analysis of the debt ceiling stand-off. with a personal observation tagged at the end.

I think this part was good and I hope it is Obama's strategy:

It would appear the intent of the administration is to tell every CEO, Wall Street executive, and large bond holder who is concerned about the debt ceiling that their only option is to put the squeeze on House Republicans.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:38 PM

25. "despite his rather abysmal track record so far."

 

That isn't critical?

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:28 AM

73. Sure, it's critical.

It's also true. But thanks for your concern.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:37 PM

23. Yep, one is news

the 2nd is favorable to Obama. The third blasts him for drone killings How dare they?!?!

The KoolAid drinkers see everything as "hatred" of the president. Especially anything at fdl, or by Hedges, or by any actual liberal.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:44 PM

29. Don't fall into the shit stirrers little game here

You'll soon see "Left Blasts Obama Kool-Aid Drinkers" on Drudge, or Limbaugh, with a link to your post.

This one is fishing for conflict, and nothing more.

Cheers.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:46 PM

49. That assessment looks accurate to me.

Attack a lefty and call it defending Obama...then say the left hates Obama...so smooth you would not even notice it...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:44 PM

31. Your last example has ZERO criticism...

The one above that has a flippant throwaway line at the very end of a piece that otherwise has ZERO criticism.

And the first is about DEMOCRATIC Senator Wyden and his request to the admin. Yes, Wyden is critical of the Admins stance on this matter. Are Democrats not supposed to know about this?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:45 PM

32. I'd be alarmed if there weren't any

They delight in shit stirring when there isn't any, so as long as there is some to stir in, they are busy people. I've long since given up on them.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:02 PM

33. Trolling for clicks, IMO

 

They don't help the progressive cause.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:02 PM

34. The Dems control the US Gov't at this point. FDL is critical. You don't like criticism. Big deal.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:07 PM

36. Put a sarcasm tag

before someone flames you, my friend

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:04 PM

35. OK. I had to go take a look.

I don't frequent FDL.
I have seen a few posts at FDL critical of the Democratic Party that I felt were unjustified,
but I have also seen posts that were Right-On-the-Money.
I decided to go look for myself instead of passing judgement based on the number of headlines that you deemed as "critical" of the Democratic Party.


Story 1 "critical of Democrats":

"Obama Administration Won’t Show Secret Legal Opinions for Targeted Killings to (Democratic) US Senator"
"Wyden, who serves on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, by law is supposed to provide oversight and have access to classified legal opinions, but, as he shares, the Obama administration has refused to provide him access to a copy of secret legal opinions for targeted killings."

Wyden explained that the decision by the Obama administration to claim intelligence agencies may kill American citizens while at the same time refusing to provide Congress with access to all legal opinions explaining the administration’s understanding of the authority is “alarming and indefensible.”


I agree with Senator Wyden who is himself a Democrat,
so this is a story about a Democrat criticizing a Democrat.
Do YOU agree with Senator Wyden?

Would you be happier if this was simply swept under the rug?


Story #2 "Critical of Democrats":

Max Baucus: Connoisseur of Revolving Door Corruption
"Major tax cuts were extended for giant corporations — while the average Montana was stuck with a $900/year in increased taxes — and the person responsible is claiming he doesn’t even know how his staff put it in there for his former staff? This is why last night Bill Moyers referred to Max Baucus as, “a connoisseur of revolving door corruption.”

http://my.firedoglake.com/brigham/2013/01/14/max-baucus-connoisseur-of-revolving-door-corruption/


Fu**ing Max Baucus!!???
You are really going to Go-to-Bat to protect him?
You REALLY don't think he is worthy of criticism?

Bill Moyers made the "revolving door" criticism of Mac Baucus that FDL was repeating. Are you going to kick Bill Moyers under the bus to protect Old DINO Max?

Story #3 "Critical of Democrats"
"Obama Really Wants to Play Debt Ceiling Chicken"
This could have been better written, but the points made are justified.
In my own Democratic Opinion, I don't believe our President HAS been an effective negotiator on behalf of Working Class Americans and Organized LABOR,
but that is material for another discussion.

There are at least 2 other stories highly critical of the NRA and Gun Nuts,
MOST of whom ARE Republicans,

....and one story reporting the US cooperation with France in an expanding military adventure in Mali,
which I believe is worth watching closely.



The number of posts I put up at DU that are critical of the Democrats far outnumber the posts of mine that are critical of Republicans.
That is because I AM a DEMOCRAT.

I seldom focus on the Republicans.
I don't send them money.
I don't vote for them.
I don't post on Republican sites.
I don't expect them to represent my Working Class interests.
I EXPECT them to be exactly WHO and WHAT they are.
I don't expect a dog to be anything other than a dog.
I don't expect republicans to be anything other than Republicans.
I don't expect to have a voice in the Republican Party.

I AM a Democrat.
I send money to the Democratic Party.
I volunteer for Democratic GOTV.
I post on Democratic Sites.
I expect to have a voice in the Democratic Party.
I expect the Democrats to represent MY Working Class interests,
and when they don't,
I have earned the right to Speak Up Loudly,
and will continue to do so.


Maybe you should have read the posts at FDL and commented on their content instead just counting the headlines to form your opinion.
I know that takes longer, and is more work,
but the results are worth it if you want to be taken seriously.

MY Opinion.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:08 PM

37. I respect your post

and I expect you understand. Baucus is a corrupt piece of shit and I don't care what political party he claims to be from.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:19 PM

40. Exactly, it's like asking "Why aren't you more critical of dog shit?"

No point in stating the obvious. We need to keep our own house in order, there's little we can do about theirs.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:17 PM

56. Beautiful

Bravo!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:59 AM

87. Thanks bvar22

As usual you go the extra mile to explain something that should be patently obvious.

Unfortunately, the farther the president moves to the right, the more we're supposed to "have his back". Ironically, as was illuminated in a different OP, he doesn't have ours. There are a few key issues that are important to us, and with the exception of women's reproductive rights, he either doesn't agree with us or is willing to give ground on all of them.

You rpoint about complaining is spot on as well. We are appealing to the Dems, because they are the only ones who might help, and because they owe us for our money, time, and votes. the Repukes owe me nothing, which is exactly what I am going to get from them. They disgust me. Many DC Dems, including the president, disappoint me.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:10 PM

38. I think FDL is half pumas and half losers who need attention

They are catering to just a slightly different audience than Alex Jones...

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:18 PM

39. Go too far to the left

and you meet the same idiots coming around from the right.

That said, Baucus is incredibly corrupt, and nothing any person should herald as a person representing them.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:21 PM

42. You realize how dumb that sounds? n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:30 PM

44. No, it's actually true...

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:33 PM

46. Sure. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:09 PM

53. That's it? Just sure? you must have something deeper to say about the chart than that!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:38 AM

68. If you right click on the chart

and click "properties", one will find that this chart is from a site called thoughts aloud dot com. I went there and checked it out. Creepy. I think I like the chart from polital compass much better. It seems more honest, without the agenda that your chart has.

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Response to MelungeonWoman (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:56 AM

69. There are a whole bunch on google images that all have the same theme..

Centrists at the top, Democrats from 9-10:00, Repukes at 2-3:00,


And the fucking crazy people on both sides meet at the bottom...

We call that, Alex Jones land, truthers, moon idiots, (double rainbow moon idiots that thought we would blow it up with that rocket ) etc.,


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pTk0Nra67vM/TjiaJC-Q_nI/AAAAAAAAB9A/5H4opOQNaX4/s1600/political+spectrum+circle+graph.gif


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Response to snooper2 (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:25 PM

59. Nice, I've never seen that before

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:53 AM

67. Ayn Rand fucking *invented* Objectivism

And that abysmally moronic chart has Objectivists in the center as part of the "good guys"?

Utter and complete bullshit.

Rand's followers want _you_ to be a serf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

Objectivism is a philosophy created by Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism's central tenets are that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness (or rational self-interest), that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights embodied in laissez-faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform humans' metaphysical ideas by selective reproduction of reality into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which one can respond emotionally.


ETA: Copied your graphic just for grins.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:00 PM

77. I have to steal that graphic. It explains the FireBagLake phenom. JaneNorquist taking money from..

the right to snooker the left. The irony isn't lost on me.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:39 PM

81. FireBagLakers

:shakes head: They are singing the same song, but they bang it so off key. It's cring-worthy, even though they seem to be on "our side".

I wish I could help them, but I have to many other things to do.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #81)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:56 PM

84. The thing that unites these two factions is ODS. I don't trust anyone whose PR firm teaches Repugs.

how to defeat Democrats. I'd say she has a major conflict of interest, her #1 interest being ($$$$$). She's proof that there's money to be made in "activism".

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 02:05 PM

86. Amen

She's all about the money, to hell with ethics.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:54 PM

51. Not dumb. A firebagger is a teabagger looking in a mirror. Both are fucking intolerant.

I absolutely don't agree with teabaggers, they are racist, homophobic, sexist and generally myopic. Firebaggers are more complicated. Firebaggers have the right intentions, but they apply the wrong tone and often the wrong solutions at the wrong time. The nation will get to where firebaggers want it, dramatically positive changes in how people view gay rights, how the majority of voters defend the rights of woman to control the careers and bodies, how the majority of voters support people of any race or gender that show their leadership ability - but rushing that process has proven to deliver setbacks during the past and rushing some forms of change now in the present may set back that change for decades - the last point is something that firebaggers refuse to see.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:15 AM

72. Just to answer a rhetorical question, it's mouth-breathingly dumb. nt

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Response to Aerows (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:52 AM

75. "too far left"

means, right now

1. No cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid.
2. Cut Pentagon spending
3. Stop torturing people
4. Stop spying on American citizens without telling anyone
5. Use public funds for public good
6. Revert taxes for the hyper-rich back to 1980's levels

Yeah, lots of teabaggers right there with us.

Loser.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:21 PM

41. You just say stuff, huh

You're like someone who only uses the factory presets...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:26 PM

43. Bipartisanship means never having to say "I agree with them."

.
Operation Northwoods: The 9/11 You Never Knew

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:32 PM

45. So? Why would that bother you enough to post about it?

If you don't like the site...why do you get interested enough to tally articles you feel are "critical of President Obama."

You think criticism from the Left should be banned on sites you have no control over?

Why read it? Why bring it over here to discuss? FDL is LIBERAL/CENTRIST.
A few Socialists sometimes post there. So...they are Left...why trash them?

They do excellent reporting...while DU is just a "news aggregation site"...FDL has Book Salons with noted Authors, Independent News reporting on OWS, Bradley Manning and other important issues for Democrats of these times.

Why are you a "FDL HATER?"

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Response to KoKo (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:43 PM

48. Their relative lack of stories criticizing repugnants is puzzling

 

don't you think?

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:51 PM

50. Their whole purpose is to criticize Republicans...and when Obama or his Admin leans

that way...they try to steer him back. You might not remember that FDL started because they were Left of "KOS"...and did intensive reporting on the Valerie Plame Leaks and IRAQ WAR Bogus "Uranium from Niger" issues.

They are a great news site for Democrats, because they are totally anti-Repug Ideals which have crept into Democratic Leaders policies.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:59 PM

61. That's how I read them as well.

They have many insightful and thought provoking articles. I always read DU, FDL, Common Dreams and Truthdig.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:39 PM

47. That makes sense to me. After all, President Obama is in the White House.

The Republican criticism of Obama is really worthless. But not everything Obama does is right, so who better to report on things that are going on in the Obama administration that should not be than Firedog Lake.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:09 PM

52. I remember when I stopped trusting Hamsher and FDL.

I used to love her and FDL, but during the ACA debate she pretty much went crazy. After that, she had a vendetta against Obama even though Obama personally thanked FDL for their input (other than Hamsher's craziness regarding generic prescriptions, she and her site did have a lot of valuable input).

Since she began her vendetta, FDL has become totally unreliable. A real shame. I used to love that site. It's too bad they are no longer trustworthy.

And in case someone noticed, yes, I actually did copy/paste most of this response from that "other" thread.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:12 PM

54. Fuck Firedog Lake.

Seriously. Jane Hamsher is cray cray.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:21 PM

57. I just took a look at their front page.

Seems reasonable to me. They do a good job of representing the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:22 PM

58. you might want to stick to the "safe" sites

like theobamadiary.com, or thepeoplesview.com, or msnbc.com

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:03 PM

62. liberal bastards....

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Response to spanone (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:53 AM

76. we hate them...except at election time

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:11 PM

63. "Man bites dog" is news.

"Dog bites man" is not.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:15 PM

64. The far left and the far right are juvenile in their adversity to authority...

 

President Obama's style of governance is perfect for the country right now.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:17 AM

65. Interesting statement n/t

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:14 AM

71. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:50 AM

74. Far left

Last edited Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:48 PM - Edit history (1)

1. No cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid.
2. Cut Pentagon spending
3. Stop torturing people
4. Stop spying on American citizens without telling anyone
5. Use public funds for public good
6. Revert taxes for the hyper-rich back to 1980's levels
7. Clean air, clean water, safe food, and health care are rights, not commodities

Yep, that's waaaaaaaay out there.

Douche bag

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #74)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:09 PM

79. Can't you see

How this is just the same as the positions on the right.
1. Worship the rich.
2. Destroy all unions.
3. Promote gun ownership.
4. Attack Women's rights.
5. Use public funds, human and natural resources for corporate profit.
6. Blame the poor and working people.
7. War is good and profitable.

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Response to JEB (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:46 PM

83. Mmm...

8. Completely get rid of government
9. Profitize every single aspect of life

Yep, they're just like us

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:34 PM

85. So much room

for compromise and bipartisanship....NOT.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #74)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:31 PM

80. + 100000000000 n/t

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 05:46 AM

66. the truth...

... seems to hurt a lot of people around here. He DOES have an abysmal record of caving in negotiations, get over it. He IS obligated to provide the requested information to congress, get over it. I have no opinion of the Mali situation, I'm not well versed in the issues.

Some of you folks are just like the Democratic version of BushBots, if your guy does it well it is just ok. I aspire to a higher standard and I expect the president to mean it when he says "hold my feet to the fire".

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Response to sendero (Reply #66)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:07 PM

78. And their persistent unwavering loyalty and lock-steppedness

has turned this place into the current bastion of critical thinking and discussion that it is today! GO DU!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:13 AM

70. Hurts. A lot. nt

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