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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:04 PM

Deer stuck on ice as coyote drools. People take side of deer

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Reply Deer stuck on ice as coyote drools. People take side of deer (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 OP
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #1
ret5hd Jan 2013 #2
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #4
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #5
2naSalit Jan 2013 #19
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #31
2naSalit Jan 2013 #45
ret5hd Jan 2013 #9
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #10
ret5hd Jan 2013 #17
tama Jan 2013 #12
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #13
tama Jan 2013 #15
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #23
tama Jan 2013 #39
lame54 Jan 2013 #29
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #37
Coyotl Jan 2013 #3
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #8
adieu Jan 2013 #35
CommoFreq Jan 2013 #6
tama Jan 2013 #11
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #14
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #25
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #41
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #42
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #7
arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #16
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #18
FarCenter Jan 2013 #20
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #40
FarCenter Jan 2013 #43
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #44
Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #21
stuntcat Jan 2013 #24
RebelOne Jan 2013 #30
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #33
JoeyT Jan 2013 #32
PatrynXX Jan 2013 #22
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #34
stuntcat Jan 2013 #26
MrSlayer Jan 2013 #27
lillypaddle Jan 2013 #28
demmiblue Jan 2013 #36
tclambert Jan 2013 #38
Heywood J Jan 2013 #46
redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #47

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:12 PM

1. Darwin?

How much you wanna bet that buck shows up on the lake again sometime?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:25 PM

2. a year membership?

what kinda time limit you want to put on it?

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:30 PM

4. How about a lifetime membership.

Not your lifetime or my lifetime or the deer's -- the lifetime of the planet. So, you go to Golden and set up a video camera on that lake. Monitor it 24/7 until the ice thaws. If the deer doesn't appear, you win.

It doesn't change the fact that the deer got a second chance that nature wouldn't have given him, and the coyote got ripped off.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:32 PM

5. Deer was too big a meal for that tiny coyote

Hope the coyote found some tofu

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:34 PM

19. What's to say that

the coyote didn't have a family/pack to feed? And just because a coyote looks "too small" to have benefited from the deer becoming food does not mean that other animals would not have benefited from what the coyote didn't use. There are eagles, other packs of coyotes, badgers, ravens and a number of other predator/scavenger species who would have made use of what the coyote in the picture didn't use.

Where I live, such events are commonplace as the cycle of natural events. When a wolf, coyote, bear kills something like a deer or elk (or they die due to similar circumstances as depicted in the OP video), the rest share in the taking of that one animal and it benefits everyone in the local food web (and beyond for that matter), including us in a tertiary sense as a healthy ecosystem is also a benefit to us. Too bad the process of nature was, yet again, interrupted by humans thinking they "know better". If you look around carefully, you can see how well that's working out for us so far.

I don't mean to appear as mean spirited or cruel but the processes of nature are not all pretty and picturesque, but they are necessary for all of us. Disney really did society a major disservice by producing the "Bambi mentality" about nature... it promotes the wrong conceptual understanding of nature and our actual role in it... as opposed to our perceived, self gratifying role.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:22 PM

31. well, I'm just glad the deer got away. I can't help it

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 01:21 AM

45. I guess...

from the looks of him though, some predator will likely get him before long. In the vid it appears that his face is pretty white, which is a sign of advanced age, that and the large rack on his head. It is what it is.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:37 PM

9. I'll stick to what i can afford to lose...

how 'bout a year membership, 2 yr from today time limit?

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:48 PM

10. Do you live in Golden?

If not, the travel there will cost you more than the bet.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:12 PM

17. no, but...

i'm sure that, based on the age, location, etc of the buck that when, in two years time, i call you on it that you will, if possible, be able to acquire a reasonable report of a similarly aged buck with similar (aged) markings from youtube, local reports, etc doing the same thing.

i am a reasonable and honest person. I am willing to make the bet you offered.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:55 PM

12. If not nature, what then?

 

Do you consider yourself supernatural? Or part of nature?

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Response to tama (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:56 PM

13. That's a slippery slope. You really want to go there?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:07 PM

15. Yup

 

Is nature external object? Or inclusive whole, of which also humans and their actions are natural part?

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Response to tama (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:57 PM

23. Ok. So, you're saying that human interventions in natural processes are simply a part of nature.

That would include open pit mining, smelting without pollution controls, over-harvesting fish, extinction of whales, and burning of the rainforest.

I disagree. Humans need to exist seamlessly in nature and interfere as little as possible, even when Bambi's daddy is slipping on the ice or Moby Dick decided to beach himself.

(And, no, I do not equate rescuing animals with open pit mining; but, if you are going with "man is just part of nature", then you will have a hard time fighting off the industrialists)

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:36 PM

39. Yes

 

And of course the relation between parts and whole is dynamic, all human activity has environmental impact and feed back loops to human activity. And evaluations of what kind of impacts and feed back loops we want to are natural parts of this process. We can do forest gardens the size of Amazon and California, which increase the carrying capacity on long term, and all that you mention that destroys the carrying capacity.

Here's the gist: the culture of control and fear and greed that is destroying carrying capacity tends to see nature as external object, resources to consume, instead of inclusive whole, complex web of interdependencies.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:12 PM

29. That's ok - Ted Nugent would have shot both of them

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Response to lame54 (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:24 PM

37. And all the bunny huggers, too.

Ted likes killin' things.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:29 PM

3. I bet they learn after the first stumble upon.

There is that catch-22 of "Ooophs, too late now" the first time, unless the deer warn each other.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:34 PM

8. Possibly.

I happened upon a doe crossing the street in my remote neighborhood last night. I slowed immediately to a stop because she was not making good progress. As I watched, I realized that her hooves were not allowing her to even walk quickly on the asphalt -- she had no traction whatsoever. I see the deer all the time on the road; but your point is well taken. It is far easier for a deer to walk around a lake than to find a way to walk around our street.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:23 PM

35. Animals are quick learners of these things

That deer won't be anywhere near a frozen lake unless it had to be.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:33 PM

6. I blame Disney.

 

It's almost as if everyone's forgotten how the world turns.

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Response to CommoFreq (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:53 PM

11. This how world turns

 

We help each other all the time.

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Response to tama (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:02 PM

14. Bravo!

 

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:59 PM

25. How do you think that coyote feels about that? Did those people help him?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:07 PM

41. Little fella probably went and found a more proportionate serving size.

 

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:47 PM

42. He probably ate one of the bunny hugger's dogs.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:33 PM

7. Commies!!!!!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:10 PM

16. Aww, my kind of ending :) n/t

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:20 PM

18. Poor coyote

Yeah his eyes were probably bigger than his appetite anyway. Glad he had enough sense to be scared off by too many people being around. Still, it is sad s/he is going to be hungry.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:39 PM

20. Didn't show them getting the lasso off the deer's horns after it had traction on shore

Might have been the most exciting part of the video.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:06 PM

40. It's still attached to the deer.

You can kinda see it on the antlers as he's walking up the hill.

Two bucks tangle while rutting, and get mired in that, both deer die.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:13 PM

43. That's not good. It could also get hung up in some brush, and the deer would starve to death.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:04 PM

44. Optimal solution would have been to tranq the deer

and then move it.

I don't blame them for not getting in close to remove the rope, deer can be downright dangerous at that range. They aren't mean, per se, but they are big, have a lot of mass, strong necks and nobody wants a face full of antler.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:47 PM

21. I know that I'm going to get hated for this comment...

But I wonder how many people, after rooting for the deer and thankful that it made it off the ice safely, went and ate a burger or a steak for dinner? They don't want the deer to die, but could care less about the cow they're gonna eat for dinner tonight.

It's kind of like the dog rescue people. Yup, spend your time and money rescuing two dogs meanwhile many of them are feasting away on other animals. It makes me think of a song that Cheech and Chong were singing in the beginning of one of their movies. "save the whales, but shoot the seals!"



Anyways, I know I'm evil. I buried my soul years ago when I was in the middle east. Flame away, I probably deserve it. I won't even put up a fight


----edit to add----

by the way, I'm cooking my tofu and vegetables for dinner for my two kids and me....

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:58 PM

24. nah :)

It kills me when people who enjoy eating tortured-to-death pigs seem concerned about other animals being hurt.

Just finished my chips 'n beans 'n greens

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:18 PM

30. You won't get any hate from me. I am a vegetarian. n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:22 PM

33. me too!

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:22 PM

32. Or will complain about

wolves being hunted and killed. We shouldn't hunt and kill predators, we should drive them away from their prey so they slowly starve!

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:53 PM

22. didn't actually see the coyote drool

O_O but kudos for the deer..

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:23 PM

34. You just know that coyote's chin was wet with drool

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:59 PM

26. Yay! :cry:

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:02 PM

27. Interfering with nature.

 

The coyote has to eat too and they just fucked up the easiest meal he's ever had.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:02 PM

28. and then a hunter

puts a bullet between his eyes.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:24 PM

36. I wonder if any of these people have seen footage from a factory farm.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:34 PM

38. What that coyote needed was ACME rocket skates.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:18 AM

46. If the deer couldn't walk in, how did it get out there in the first place?

I do feel a bit bad for the coyote. They could have at least thrown it something for its trouble.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:23 AM

47. I'm guessing that deer is probably toast anyway. nt

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