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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:29 PM

If Oswald is the only shooter and shoots from behind, how does JFK's head wind up on the trunk ?

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Clearly he is hit from the front with the second shot (frame 313). The first shot goes through his throat and into Connelly's arm. The second shot enters through JFK's face and blows off the back of his head.

Hell yes we have well-founded doubts about the Warren Commission Report!

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Reply If Oswald is the only shooter and shoots from behind, how does JFK's head wind up on the trunk ? (Original post)
KurtNYC Jan 2013 OP
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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:31 PM

1. look at frame 313

the shot is clearly coming out of the front

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:37 PM

8. Ejecta from the exit wound COULD propell the head backwards

But, there is so much else out there to muddy the waters, we will never have a clear idea of what happened, and that to me is the biggest part of the conspiracy.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:52 PM

16. In frame 318 his head has moved backward due to being shot from the front

The splash effect in 313 is very similar to the egg in this slo mo

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:32 PM

2. I've often asked the same question.

The official line is that bodies (and body parts) do not recoil consistently when struck by a bullet. Sounds like shaky physics to me, but then I'm not a physicist.

-- Mal

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:34 PM

3. Wrong forum:

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Response to greyl (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:35 PM

6. Mpore and more woo stays in GD these days n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:36 PM

7. Wrong forum:

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Response to greyl (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:37 PM

9. Oh I agree completely. Woo belongs in CS

 

But more and more often, I'm seeing woo left in GD.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:16 PM

27. (i know, just kidding) :)

As of this moment, there's no discussion about this thread in the Forum & Group Hosts forum, but I think it'll be locked when they have the time.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:34 PM

4. He was clearly shot from behind both times

 

The Zapruder film is conclusive on that point. You clearly see that the exit wound to his head is his forehead.

There is precisely ZERO doubt about that. The Zapruder film PROVES beyond ANY DOUBT this was the action of a single gunman.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:32 PM

36. Agreed. BTW - the Warren Commission AND the HSCA also agreed that Oswald fired three shots

and that his third shot hit JFK in the head and killed him.

I'm always amazed when people cite the HSCA to dismiss the finding of the WCR, when the HSCA supported Oswald firing 3 shots from the TSBD as well as supporting the "single bullet theory" to explain the wounds to JFK & Connally.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:34 PM

37. I was talking about the two shots that struck Kennedy n/t

 

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:39 PM

40. I'm agreeing with you.

Both the WCR and the HSCA found that Oswald fired three shots, that his first shot missed, that his second shot hit JFK & Connally and that his third shot hit JFK in the head and killed him.

All three shots were fired from behind JFK.

The HSCA - which did believe erroneously that a second gunman was involved and that he fired a fourth shot, probably from the grassy knoll - believed that this 4th shot MISSED JFK entirely. It does NOT support the idea that a grassy knoll shooter was responsible for the shot that hit JFK in the head.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:40 PM

41. I know you were

 

I was simply clarifying why I only spoke about two shots.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:34 PM

5. Oh my God! I think you solved the mystery! Surely you're the first person to have noticed

this inconsistency!

You must deliver this footage and your associated theory to the proper authorities immediately. Indeed, send it to the news.

Everybody must be informed about this!

Good job, KurtNYC. You'll surely go down in history for this remarkable discovery.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:45 PM

13. the Disney Channel just called. They want their schoolgirl-esque sarcasm back.

Like totally.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:49 PM

14. I don't know...

it seemed like the perfect response to the teenager "gotcha" tone of the OP. Obviously most ballistics and forensics experts have an answer for it, since most have seen the Zapruder film and the Oliver Stone movie and still believe Oswald was the lone shooter.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:39 PM

10. Every doctor and nurse from Parkland Memorial hospital in Dallas

testified before the Warren Commission that the back of the head was blown out. Jackie Kennedy also testified that the back of his head was blown out.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:10 PM

22. Yes, that is what I thought.

And I saw the video. The exit wound was in the back. The pictures of his head showed it in the back, too. I've seen plenty of autopsy photos. That was an exit wound, not an entry wound.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:14 PM

26. That's the most important bit of information right there.

More important than the Zapruder film and all the ridiculous postulation. All those doctors and nurses at Bethesda given their orders of silence, the autopsy is where the most important information lies. And the fact that all those present at the autopsy have been forced silent shows without a doubt the conspiracy.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:44 PM

42. Hate to spoil your fun with the facts, but JFK was never even turned over while he

lay dying at Parkland.

The Parkland doctors were involved entirely in trying to save his life. They were performing life-saving activities. They were NOT looking to account for bullet wounds.

The fact is that they never even saw the bullet entry wound to JFK's back.

They weren't doing a forensic examination of JFK. They were trying to keep him alive.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:39 PM

11. Where Was Wayne LaPierre That Day!? nt

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:41 PM

12. Correct me if I'm wrong

But wasn't he wearing a back brace that prevented him from falling forward, which is why he never fell in that direction and instead had listed off to his left after being shot?

Also, point of ballistics here. In a small target, the entry would is small, the exit wound is large. So, if there is a large hole in the front, then there is most likely a small entry hole in the back. As to how it got on the trunk, I could easily assume that a the piece that fell on the trunk had broken loose, then been blown back from the wind opposite the direction that the vehicle was traveling.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:05 PM

18. Every doctor at Parkland in Trauma Room 1 reported a blowout in the back of his head.

Every single one of them.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:06 PM

47. True, but not an exit wound.

Testimony give to the Warren Commission by Parkland medical staff:

"There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." - M. T. Jenkins, M.D., Professor and Chairman Department of Anesthesiology

Show me any testimony where a Parkland doctor said the wound on the back-right of JFK's head was an exit wound.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:51 PM

69. That means nothing.

None of them saw the actual entry wound to the back of the head. None of them examined the skull or - significantly - the INSIDE of the back of the skull, where the bullet created a beveling that could only happen if the bullet entered the back of the skull, which it did.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:52 PM

15. I guess the gun nuts

have opened up GD for everything.

Can I bring out the vinegar bottles to teach everyone how to protect themselves from evil airplane effluvia now?

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:07 PM

20. One of the best threads posted at DU3 so far...

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:27 PM

34. Hell I'll take the crazy

in this thread just to have been reminded of that bit of genius and the fallout.

My favorite was: 'Scuse Me While I Squirt The Sky. by The Velveteen Ocelot.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:08 PM

21. RFK Jr. commented on the single gunman theory recently

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:32 PM

35. HE also commented on vaccines causing autism

 

so he's prone to be a spreader of woo.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:03 PM

17. I believe This OP should be in Creative Speculation instead of General Discussion

from the GD SoP:

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:06 PM

19. This is a current event now, given that RFKJr. and Rory have made it one.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:11 PM

23. GD Hosts don't bother with enforcing the SOP when it comes to conspiracy theory material...

we see that over and over and over again.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:12 PM

25. Hey no whining in GD!

Dude.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:17 PM

29. SOP only applies to the opening post in a thread...

I'm allowed to whine in a subthread.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:56 PM

45. Alright. Thanks Sid!



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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:16 PM

48. There have been 8 SOP alerts sent (so far) on this thread, the first made at around 12:30...



Sid

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:12 PM

24. No conspiracy was theorized here.

Simple question about physics.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:20 PM

32. It's current events because RFK Jr. brought it up recently

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:16 PM

28. No.

Decerebrate posture

Decerebrate posture is an abnormal body posture that involves the arms and legs being held straight out, the toes being pointed downward, and the head and neck being arched backwards. The muscles are tightened and held rigidly. This type of posturing usually means there has been severe damage to the brain.

Considerations

A severe injury to the brain is the usual cause of decerebrate posture.

Opisthotonos (a severe muscle spasm of the neck and back) may occur in severe cases of decerebrate posture.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003299.htm


See also here: Kennedy's head moves forward as a result of bullet impact between frames 312 and 313 (where his head explodes) and then back consistent with decerebration and spasm. http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5.html

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:19 PM

30. This is SO AWESOME!!!!

No one has EVER discussed this before! Not ever! And we has sooooo much more information than we had in the past.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:19 PM

31. It's called physics

Look around the web as Penn & Teller did an excellent demo that a cantaloupe shot with a high power rifle will move TOWARD the shooter.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:26 PM

33. First off, JFK's head first moves FORWARD on the impact of the third bullet.

That's clearly seen in the Zapruder film.

As far as part of his skull moving backward while the majority of the ejecta moves forward, I suggest you watch the 2008 Discovery TV show "JFK: Inside The Target Car," where tests done by a sharpshooter show the exact same thing happening in the tests that happen on 11/23/63, which is to say that part of the test skull flew back towards the rear of the vehicle, with most of the ejecta moving forward.

See here:

On November 16, 2008, the Discovery Channel cable-TV network aired the
fourth and (evidently) last in a mini-series of "JFK" programs for
that network's "Unsolved History" television series, entitled "JFK:
Inside The Target Car".

Utilizing groundbreaking techniques, the Discovery Channel, along with
award-winning sharpshooter Michael Yardley and an Australian company
that specializes in creating surrogate dummies, went about the task of
trying to simulate the fatal gunshot that struck the head of President
John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963.

And that fatal shot was, indeed, simulated with a very good degree of
accuracy, as Yardley (on a California test-firing range) took aim at a
human-like head filled with simulated brain tissue from a mock firing
position that represented the sixth-floor sniper's perch inside the
Texas School Book Depository Building in Dallas.

The result of that "Depository" test shot, when compared with the
"blood spray" pattern seen in Abraham Zapruder's famous home movie of
the actual assassination of JFK in 1963, was almost identical in
nature to that of the Zapruder Film -- with the spray pattern of blood
and brain tissue from Yardley's test shot matching the real Zapruder
Film to a tee (as was shown in side-by-side comparisons on the
Discovery Channel broadcast).

The direction of the spray of blood and brain tissue was almost all
FORWARD of the head (a head that was shot from behind), with one
interesting exception (also captured on film by the high-speed cameras
that were used to document the test) -- one chunk of brain tissue went
flying to the REAR after the surrogate head was hit from BEHIND by
Yardley's 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano bullet
(a bullet just like
the type Lee Harvey Oswald used in his rifle in 1963).


For decades, conspiracy theorists have argued that it would have been
impossible for JFK to have been hit from behind and still have brain
matter end up on the TRUNK of the Presidential limousine afterward.
This Discovery Channel test positively debunks that conspiracy notion
for all time--without a shred of a doubt.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/701242d562279b80

A more salient question needs to be asked of all those who think a shot from the grassy knoll hit JFK in the head and killed him: if true, then how was Jackie not killed as well? Any bullet hitting JFK from the grassy knoll would have entered the right side of his head, exiting out the left side, and hitting Jackie. A shooter at the grassy knoll would NOT have hit JFK in the front of his head. That trajectory is impossible based on the Zapruder film and where the grassy knoll stands in Dealey Plaza.

Answer that, CTists.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:34 PM

38. Q: have you ever read the Warren Commission Report? Be honest.

I mean, read the actual report itself, not some criticism of the thing by some JFK CTist.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:27 PM

52. Werner Herzog said it was the best thing he ever read, and he believed it

And noted that Oliver Stone hadn't read it.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #52)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:01 PM

55. And Stone termed his movie "a fiction."

Which it is, of course. It takes mutually contradictory CTs, rolls them all up into one BIG CT and makes all the mistakes one would expect to happen in such an exercise, starting with him not even getting the seating positions of JFK & Connally in the limo correct.

Make a bunch of mistakes on the BASIC facts in the case and it's amazing how wild the CTs can get.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:00 PM

54. 900 pages. No.

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:07 PM

57. You should. It's really worth a read. It's well written and engrossing.

The amount of evidence presented is staggering.

I have yet to meet a CTist who has actually read the WCR, because if they had, they wouldn't go around making claims about what it said or didn't say when such claims can be easily refuted with a few clicks of the mouse to here: http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/

One would think that anybody with even a slim interest in the assassination would read the WCR before opening their yaps. Yet those who haven't read it claim to be the biggest experts on its shortcomings.

BTW - the WCR is a shorter read than Bugliosi's massive "Reclaiming History, which runs to around 1600 pages plus a CD-R worth another 900 pages of citations, evidence and cross references. I've read that one as well. In fact, I recommend that book before reading the WCR as it tackles all of the CTs out there and dismisses them with varying degrees of easy and aplomb.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:35 PM

39. Depending on the type of bullet used, I could see that happening

If the bullet doesn't pass through the skull completely, but ricochets off the front side, then the fragments would shoot back the other direction. I guess what really happened will always be a mystery unless he's exhumed and the skull is examined again (I don't know if that's even really possible? You'd have to have some huge balls to try to exhume the body of an assassinated president to do another post mortem)

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Response to rbixby (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:51 PM

43. The round that hit JFK in the head was a fully jacketed round,

traveling at 2165 feet per second. A fully jacketed round is designed to pass through bone and tissue. There is no way such a round shot from a high-velocity rifle would not exit the skull.

BTW - the absolute proof that the kill shot entered JFK from behind lies in the fact that the wound on the back of his skull is beveled, which proves beyond any doubt that it's an entry wound.

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Response to rbixby (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:55 PM

44. The bullet used was a 6.5mm FMJ roundnose

A very long-for-caliber bullet known for outstanding penetration capabilities. 6.5mm bullets were used by professional ivory hunters in Africa; the bullets would penetrate perfectly into an elephant's brain through it's heavy skull.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:04 PM

46. if i recall, expert marksmen were unable to recreate the shots.

i'm not too sure LHO actually hit anything.

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Response to KG (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:17 PM

49. You recall incorrectly.

The test shooters used by the Warren Commission not only duplicated Oswald's shots and time, they bettered them. And they did it using Oswald's rifle, misaligned scope and all.

Look it up. It's all in the WCR if you'd bother to read it.

BTW - Oswald reached the rank of USMC SHARPSHOOTER, which is a grade above Marksman and a grade below Expert.

The USMC testified to the WC that Oswald was a "better than average shot" when compared to his fellow Marines, and "an exceptional shot" when compared to a shooter in the general populace.

Oswald hit something - JFK.

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Response to KG (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:17 PM

50. You don't recall correctly

They were...
Some critics of the Warren Commission had claimed it was impossible to fire a Carcano rifle in less than 2.3 seconds. Both the CBS and HSCA tests proved conclusively this claim is not accurate.
CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. Oswald's rifle was not used in this test. The targets were color coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle

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Response to KG (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:25 PM

51. LHO was just lucky

Had he not hit the brain, spinal cord, aorta or heart, JFK would have almost certainly survived, since the round-nose FMJ bullet would just create a through and through wound.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:39 PM

53. One interesting aspect of the shooting is that Oswald's shots

increased with accuracy as he took them.

The first shot missed.

The second shot hit JFK in the back, then hit Connally.

The third shot hit JFK in the head and killed him.

We know that the scope on Oswald's rifle was misaligned when it was found. We don't know if it was misaligned during the shooting or if that misalignment occurred afterward. We also don't know if Oswald used the scope to take his shots or if he used the iron sites on the rifle.

My hypothesis is that he used the scope, and that it was misaligned, but that with his skill and training as a Marine Sharpshooter, he was able to compensate on the fly for the misaligned site. Imagine that Oswald was actually aiming at JFK's head for every shot. The missed shot would have told him the scope was off. He then makes an adjustment for the misalign, and hits JFK in the back. He can now take the first two shots as reference points and find a high degree of accuracy as he adjusts for the third shot.

Just a hypothesis, but a hypothesis where luck hardly enters into the equation.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:13 PM

58. That is generally called a "hold".

Sometimes a Kentuky Windage or Kentuky Hold...

Don't know why they call it that.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:21 PM

63. Testing on the rifle with iron sights...

showed it to be 10 feet high at 100 yards (sighted in for 200 yards). So the odds that he didn't use the scope are fairly low; all three shots were within 100 yards of the sixth-floor window.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:27 PM

64. The first shot

The first shot not only missed Kennedy completely but the entire Limo, as well. Not sure how Oswald would have known where it hit in order to be able to use Kentucky windage to adjust his aim, not when looking through a scope.

More likely that the angle of the second shot was reduced as the limo got farther away, making for a flatter shot and a more stable target. But that's just speculation.

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Response to Crepuscular (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:42 PM

67. He may have seen the first shot hit the curb through the site

if the site weren't off by that much.

And yes, the angle of the shot did flatten out as the limo moved slowly down Elm Street. There's also a 3-degree downgrade on Elm Street as it heads to the overpass.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #53)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:47 PM

71. I'm sticking with luck

Downward angle, rapid fire with a bolt action, reacquiring the sight pattern, adjusting point of aim, and hitting a 6" brain at 100 yards...

Either lucky or he had some training that has never been acknowledged.

Why would an accomplished assassin use a full metal jacket round?

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:18 PM

59. Oh FFS...

The fact that you, and others, keep saying the shot at 313 is "clearly" from the front doesn't make it so.

There is nothing "clear" about it.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:18 PM

60. I agree, it is so obvious when you watch the film, can't imagine who wants to lie about this

 

What is strange is that the vast majority in the real world know the official story is a lie,

but on DU there is a much greater percentage of true believers than in real life...on democratic underground...strange....

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Response to Follow The Money (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:20 PM

62. That's because DUers are smarter than most

Didn't ya know?



By the way, most people I know in real life believe Oswald acted alone...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #62)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:39 PM

66. I don't know anyone irl who does.

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Response to Follow The Money (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:46 PM

68. The vast majority of people have never read the WCR.

That puts them at the disadvantage of being swayed by every idiotic JFK CT that comes along.

The vast majority of Americans believed that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK BEFORE the WCR was even issued.

The vast majority of Americans believed Junior when he said that Saddam had WMDs.

Group think and willful ignorance aren't the best way to come to an informed opinion on things like the JFk assassination.

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Response to Follow The Money (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:12 PM

73. I take it as an honest difference of opinion mostly.

but I would not take the position that there can be no debate on this, as others here have (and often in abusive terms).

Even Connally shifts from saying "they are going to kill us all" while in the car and under attack to "the man did what he intended to do..."

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:19 PM

61. If you have a car with a sun roof, spit out of the sun roof while moving.

The movement of the car forward will be faster than the movement of the spit. Good chance that some of the spit ends up on the back of the car.

If you really want to test this ... face forward when you spit rather than spitting upward.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:39 PM

65. The motorcycle cop riding behind the limo had the misfortune

of riding through the "debris cloud" that exited JFK's head. He was covered in blood, skull and brain material.

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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:52 PM

70. And this car was clearly hit from beneath...


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Response to KurtNYC (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:54 PM

72. Maybe?

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