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Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:54 AM

U.S. drug czar says there's no "war on drugs"

U.S. drug czar slams medical marijuana during S.F. event
By: Chris Roberts | 01/07/13 7:46 PM
S.F. Examiner Staff Writer


The nation’s top drug cop advocated a “different approach” to narcotics enforcement — and stressed that there is no “war on drugs” — but had stern words Monday for the San Francisco-bred medical marijuana movement.

Drug users need treatment and education rather than jail terms, according to Gil Kerlikowske, the former Seattle police chief who now heads President Barack Obama’s Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Speaking at a gathering of law enforcement officers at the University of San Francisco, Kerlikowske also said that calling cannabis medicine “sends a terrible message” to the nation’s teens. High school students are more likely to smoke marijuana than tobacco due to the growing “perception” that marijuana is less harmful, he said.



Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2013/01/us-drug-czar-slams-medical-marijuana-during-sf-event#ixzz2HsKhm02V


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"Drug users need treatment and education ..."


That statement right there is a fucking psychological war.
As if marijuana cannot be used responsibly.
As if Obama keeping this war on marijuana alive helps anyone.

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Reply U.S. drug czar says there's no "war on drugs" (Original post)
SHRED Jan 2013 OP
samsingh Jan 2013 #1
Rex Jan 2013 #2
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #3
indepat Jan 2013 #27
gelsdorf Jan 2013 #4
bemildred Jan 2013 #5
SHRED Jan 2013 #6
Scuba Jan 2013 #7
Coyotl Jan 2013 #8
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #15
Tsiyu Jan 2013 #9
think Jan 2013 #10
Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #11
theKed Jan 2013 #12
think Jan 2013 #13
RainDog Jan 2013 #23
TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #19
RainDog Jan 2013 #25
theaocp Jan 2013 #14
SHRED Jan 2013 #17
green for victory Jan 2013 #16
Trillo Jan 2013 #18
spanone Jan 2013 #20
SHRED Jan 2013 #21
RainDog Jan 2013 #22
klyon Jan 2013 #24
RainDog Jan 2013 #26
SHRED Jan 2013 #28
RainDog Jan 2013 #33
Kurska Jan 2013 #29
Initech Jan 2013 #30
forestpath Jan 2013 #31
SHRED Jan 2013 #32

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:56 AM

1. the war on drugs is a travesty

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:56 AM

2. He is right, it is not a 'war on drugs'

but a 'war against the working class'. We know.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:57 AM

3. K&R!!! If big pharma can get their tentacles around it and lots of $$$$$ pot

will be declared the medical marvel of the century. It's all about $$$$$. And how much "we the people" can be fucked over for profit!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:38 PM

27. Bravo! Hear, hear!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:05 PM

4. Actually, its Big Pharma's war on drugs

>>"Kerlikowske also said that calling cannabis medicine “sends a terrible message” to the nation’s teens. High school students are more likely to smoke marijuana than tobacco due to the growing “perception” that marijuana is less harmful, he said. "

Yeah, sure, lets just grab mom and dad's 'legal' oxy and have fun, and we will not EVEN get into the beer and alcohol ads run during football, I guess teens don't watch. Also, I have NEVER seen a single ad on TV for a drug, I've seen side effects ad's for illness's that were just made up.

I call bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

No money or wars to be made from a 'mellow' populace!

Just my 3 cents

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:13 PM

5. Another dumb-ass ideologue.

What sends a terrible message is lying to kids about drugs.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:13 PM

6. +1000

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

7. He's really clueless, isn't he?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:19 PM

8. Alcohol users need treatment and education, prescription drug users too.

If they want to go there, let's make every alcohol user go through treatment.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:18 PM

15. ditto

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:41 PM

9. Tell that to all the folks rotting in prison

to all the parents paying legal fees, to all the cancer grannies who must suffer, to all the communities in America that are wasting money chasing a fantasy.

There once was a war on alcohol - one of the most deadly substances out there - yet they called off the war. You can't tell people not to drink. They will do it anyway.

Humans have been altering their minds since there have been humans. Kerly Cue, you're merely fighting a war against HUMAN NATURE.

There remains a war on the people who use drugs, no matter how long you lie through your authoritarian teeth. It's outrageousy expensive and sickening but greed fuels it.

And yes, be glad the kids aren't getting drunk. Cannabis IS safer, and you know it Kerly Cue.

Admit it, KerlieCue: You just like the rush of telling other people what to do with their own bodies, you like that I suffer so much - it turns you on to know that someone like me with PTSD has to endure it with no help in my state of residence, that MS patients endure their symptoms with no help in most states, that cancer patients endure their pain with no help, and bottom line, Kerly Cue - YOU LOVE THE $$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!


There's a goddamned war on common sense in this country. And Kerlie: you lead the goddamned pack...





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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:02 PM

10. Psychobabble changes nothing......

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:04 PM

11. 1.6 million drug arrests last year and "there is no war on drugs?"

There is a disconnect.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:04 PM

12. Over-react much?

Treatment/education is the right direction to take with drugs.

That morphine addict should be put through rehab, and helped to understand why he's sought drugs. Like wise the heroin junkies, and the methheads. The federal government's position is that marijuana is not a medicine but a drug. This is a good change of attitude from throwing everyone into prison.

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Response to theKed (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:15 PM

13. Legalize it and end the BS. At least the words "decriminalize" should be uttered.


Kerlikowske had stern words for legalization, which is often painted as a solution to the public health and budget woes caused by drug use. “The Obama Administration strongly believes it is a false choice,” he said, and not “ground in science.”

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2013/01/us-drug-czar-slams-medical-marijuana-during-sf-event#ixzz2Hsflqns4

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Response to think (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:29 PM

23. The Obama administration has ignored the science

The feds have a big problem.

They continue as they do because otherwise they have to admit they have been LIARS and anti-science for decades.

They have to admit they have killed people for seeking cannabis medicine (documented cases, so before anyone wants to deny this, look up Larry McWilliams, for one.)

They have to admit they have engaged in a PROPAGANDA WAR, they have IGNORED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, they have LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE repeatedly.

Or else they have to admit they are too fucking stupid to look at evidence.

The federal govt's record on this issue is shameful.

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Response to theKed (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:55 PM

19. Ohh...bullshit, folks are being thrown in jail now.

What folks need to be is left alone unless their habits obstruct the rights of others.

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Response to theKed (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:34 PM

25. They're lying.

And Obama was more aggressive going after marijuana than George W.

I voted for Obama and would again - but the reality is that he has been a huge disappointment regarding this issue - he has been willing to lie, even though he knows, from his own experience, that the DEA's stance on cannabis is a lie.

No doubt drug addiction is a health issue, not a criminal one.

But marijuana is not a drug and does not fit a schedule I designation - and the Attn Gen's office could change this tomorrow, if they cared enough about the more than 800,000 Americans who were arrested for possession in 2011 (the last data available.)

But the Attn. Gen's office has strange standards. It's more concerned with letting bankers off for laundering drugs than it is concerned with average Americans' right to not be coerced by laws based upon 70 years of lies.

sad but true.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:17 PM

14. And this is a bad thing because?...

High school students are more likely to smoke marijuana than tobacco due to the growing “perception” that marijuana is less harmful, he said.


Where is this clown of the earth to take tobacco users to "treatment"? What an absolute WASTE of oxygen.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:25 PM

17. excellent point


This asshat would rather have the kids believe the lie that tobacco is safer. At least based on his words.



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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:23 PM

16. calling cannabis medicine “sends a terrible message”

 

Kerlikowske also said that calling cannabis medicine “sends a terrible message” to the nation’s teens. High school students are more likely to smoke marijuana than tobacco due to the growing “perception” that marijuana is less harmful, he said.


What kind of message does taking out a patent on the use of the main ingredient in Marijuana send to High School students? The patent is already being awarded- what message does that send?

What kind of message does it send our High School Students when they watch the news and see advertisements for antidepressant pills every 15 minutes?



What kind of message does it send our High School Students when the "Drug Czar" (thanks Joey Biden) lies and says there is no war on drugs when there is?

Federal Medical Marijuana Prisoners and Cases

December 11, 2012 - Bryan Smith, 28, of Elk Grove, pleaded guilty to federal drug charges stemming from owning and operating the R & R Wellness marijuana dispensary formerly located at 75 Quita Court in Sacramento and growing marijuana related to the dispensary operation.


According to the terms of the plea agreement, Smith agreed to a sentence of not less than 5 years in prison and not more than 7 years and 3 months in prison. His sentencing date is scheduled for Jan. 25.

Smith is the last defendant to plead guilty in the case. Co-defendants Daniel Goldsmith, 27, Galt- Elk Grove; Robert Klaus, 36, San Diego; Ryder Phillips, 27, Galt; Kelly Smith, 55, Elk Grove and Bruce Goldsmith, 61.
All are pending sentencing. Read more.

October 11, 2012 - OAKLAND SUES FEDS WHILE LONG BEACH RAIDS 7 DISPENSARIES
In contrasting moves, the city of Oakland has sued the federal government to stop its forfeiture actions against city-regulated dispensaries, while Long Beach has joined the feds to arrest 40 dispensary workers and is threatening to arrest more.
October 12, 2012 - Aaron Sandusky, whose G3 Holistic collective had storefronts in Upland, Colton and Moreno Valley, was found guilty on two felony counts of conspiracy and possession with intent to distribute charges. The jury deadlocked on four other charges having to do with operating a location involved with drugs. Judge Anderson declared a mistrial on those counts. Sandusky was sentenced to 10 years in prison on January 7, 2013. He plans to appeal.


Sandusky's brother Keith and four other former employees of G3 Holistic have pleaded guilty in the case. They are awaiting sentencing.
Read more.>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.canorml.org/costs/federal_medical_marijuana_prisoners_and_cases


Lying and Pill popping are cool, plants will get you arrested. And whatever you students do, do NOT ask why the Feds patented the Use of the Main Ingredient in Cannabis because you have been told that Cannabis is NOT Medicine!

Get it? Got it? Good.


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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:44 PM

18. I wonder how much extra-disiplinary psychological training goes on with assertions such as this?

"There is no war" while simultaneously "slamming" something.

What are the effects of training the populace that slamming something is not a war.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:57 PM

20. is he on drugs?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:14 PM

21. Bottom line:

The drug war is nothing but a moralistically-shrouded capitalist crusade.
Another method to enrich and protect the powered elite at the expense of the divided masses.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:22 PM

22. Marijuana IS less harmful than tobacco.

Nicotine is physically addictive - not so for marijuana.

Smoking tobacco correlates with an increase in lung diseases - not so for marijuana.

Here's a bipartisan group that wants to FORCE anyone who is in possession of marijuana into drug treatment - even tho marijuana is less harmful and less addictive than either nicotine or alcohol.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022155872

You know, this is the reality. Those in positions of power in the federal govt. are, basically. LIARS for their own career enhancement and b/c they're part of a system that is so corrupt it cannot correct its mistakes.

U.S. policy regarding cannabis is a mistake based upon lies and it has been for more than 70 years.

What the Czar SHOULD be worried about is how the fed's treatment of marijuana causes Americans to lose respect for govt or the rule of law. The drug warriors are the ones who are causing damage to teenagers.

I'm so sick of the propaganda.

It pays well, though, doesn't it?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:29 PM

24. Why do they always say it's to protect the kids?

No one I have heard is advocating for pot use for minors. Teenagers should not be smoking pot or cigs or drinking. When pot is removed from the streets and sold where IDs and ages are checked kids will have less access like we do for cigs and booze. It has been proven to work just like prohibition did not work.
I idea that this drug war in winnable is laughable and it is time to move on and stop all the lying.

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Response to klyon (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:38 PM

26. They say that because it's propaganda

When entities have nothing but lies to bolster their positions, they resort to fear to force compliance or agreement.

They want to change the terms and say there is no war on drugs b/c they don't like the reality that they have lost a propaganda war...that they continue to engage in and continue to lose.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:05 PM

28. Another lie they tell...

...in their crusade to keep industrial hemp illegal to grow is the claim that marijuana growers will hide their plants in a hemp field and since they look similar then law enforcement would not be able to tell them apart.

This is a lie because no recreational/medicinal grower would want their seedless female flowering plants anywhere near a hemp field for fear of pollination contamination. I am talking miles here.

I hate fucking liars.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 11:15 AM

33. true

I read up on this at one time and I think the wind/pollination guide (with plant barriers between fields) was something like 50 miles apart.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:18 PM

29. “sends a terrible message” to the nation’s teens" WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Fuck off, my body, my life and my choices. You have no business restricting my freedom because you're afraid I'll somehow influence your spawn.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:22 PM

30. Who is he - Obi Wan Kenobi? "This is not the war you are looking for."

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:30 PM

31. The Obama administration takes it orders from Big Pharma. As long as

 

they can't make an obscene profit from medical marijuana, it will never be legal.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:47 PM

32. FACT: Marijuana is used responsibly by millions and millions of people


Much like someone else would drink a glass of wine.


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