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Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:37 AM

Farmageddon!

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The Producer w/be on Coast to Coast AM this evening and (good news!) the host is Ian Punnett. Here's the blurb:

Producer of the new documentary, Farmageddon, and family farm advocate, Kristin Canty, joins Ian Punnett to discuss how small family farms that were providing safe, healthy foods to their communities have been forced to stop, sometimes through violent action, by agents of misguided government bureaucracies.

Here's a link to the movie
http://farmageddonmovie.com/

And here's a link to C2C to find a station in your area, if your're interested.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/stations

It airs 10pm - 2am Pacific -- so REALLY late Eastern!



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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:41 AM

1. ...

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defence
than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:43 AM

2. WOO

 

WOO WOO

Seriously? Coast to Coast? George Noory?

Seriously?

And you're pushing this nonsense movie? Seriously?

WOO WOO

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:59 PM

7. the nonsense is suggesting that big M is anything but evil. a lady made a movie, good for her.

who cares where it is broadcast, really?

also on amazon, netflix, blockbuster, itunes, so...

it has to get seen somehow

It’s also not surprising that nature knows better than Big Dairy, Big Pharma, or governments what does a body good. Any laws criminalizing natural food, plants or animals have no place on the planet; they are neither valid nor sane, and need not be enforced or obeyed.
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/05/09/raw-milk-promotes-health/

who's pushing what here?

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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:53 AM

3. Ah, raw milk woo...

And now coming to Ghost to Ghost Insomniac Radio on your AM radio dial.

Old Louis Pasteur is rolling once again in his grave.



Rawsome!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:58 AM

4. Exactly, I thought this nonsense had been thoroughly debunked ages ago.

 

It seems to pop up every now and again and somebody who hasn't heard of it buys into it.

But seriously, the Coast to Coast thing should have been a red flag here. Nobody credible is ever appearing on that craptacular fest of paranoia.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:59 AM

5. But, but, Ian Punnett's a homegrown Twin Cities boy!

He wouldn't lead America astray...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:02 PM

8. wtf is woo about people thriving on raw milk for thousands of years?

nothing, really.

*Last updated May 13, 2012.

Notes:

Mark Holbreich, et al. “Amish children living in Northern Indiana have a very low prevalence of allergic sensitization,” 19 April 2012. Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology. Available at http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0091-6749/PIIS0091674912005192.pdf

Georg Loss, et al. “The protective effect of farm milk consumption on childhood asthma and atopy,” 16 July 2011. American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. Available at http://www.mnhlrp.org/images/RawMilkStudy.pdf

Kenneth Todar, “Lactococcus lactis: nominated as the Wisconsin State Microbe,” n.d. (ca. Dec. 2009) http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/featured_microbe.html

Zhang W, et al. “Construction and expression of food-grade β-galactosidase gene in Lactococcus Lactis,” 17 Jan. 2011. Current Microbiology, 62(2): 639-44. Abstract at http://lactoseintolerance.researchtoday.net/archive/7/1/671.htm

Iowa House Study Bill 585, “An Act providing that certain milk and products using milk may 1 be transferred directly by operators of dairy farms, and 2 making penalties applicable.” Proposed 1 Feb. 2012. http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/default.asp?category=billinfo&service=billbook&GA=84&hbill=HSB585

Sarah Couture Pope, M.D., “Health concerns from raw milk are exaggerated,” 10 Apr. 2012. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120410/OPINION/304100044/Another-View-Health-concerns-from-raw-milk-exaggerated

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:33 PM

9. And for those thousands of years, until old Louis Pasteur

figured how the bacteria in milk caused liseteriosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, tuberculosis, e. coli infections, and much much more, thousands of people died from diseases from raw milk. Those, my farminator friend are why raw milk was replaced with pasteurized milk through the 20th century and beyond. Want raw milk? Buy a cow. Want to sell milk? Pasteurize it.

It's that simple.

Welcome to modern dairy practices. Bye now.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:18 PM

10. your grasp of history is tenuous at best and i can buy raw milk 20 minutes fom my house

modern dairy practices are also a huge crock of BS, but that's a whole different story.

raw milk only causes disease when it goes bad, or is contaminated by some hormonal crap force fed to the cows.

as you can see below, pasteurization only had to be used because of disgusting urban dairys.

garbage in, garbage out.

History

The process of heating wine for preservation purposes has been known in China since 1117, and was documented in Japan in 1568 in the diary Tamonin-nikki.

However, the modern version of pasteurization involving immediate cooling is much more recent. It was developed by the renowned French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur after whom it was named. The first pasteurization test was completed by Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard in April 1862. They "tested a process of thermal treatment to prevent decomposition of urine and blood." The process was originally conceived as a way of preventing wine and beer from souring. It would be many years before milk was pasteurized. In the United States in the 1870s, it was common for milk to contain contaminants to mask spoilage before milk was regulated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

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Considering raw milk's role throughout history, it's simple to see that it's not a deadly food. If it were, all those dairy-loving primitive cultures would have died out long ago, leaving their vegetarian cousins to mind the store. At the very least, people would have dropped it from their diets entirely. And we haven't even gotten to germ theory yet...

Closer to home, our early American ancestors lived in a farm-based economy. As the Industrial Revolution reached our shores, the cities swelled with job seekers lured from their farms by the factories and mills. By 1810, there were dozens of water-powered operations lining the rivers of southern New England, all staffed by thirsty workers.

With raw milk and whiskey being the main beverages of choice (hopefully not mixed!), demand for both grew along with the cities. When the War of 1812 broke out, the supply of distilled spirits from Europe essentially dried up. Although the conflict only lasted about two years, it's impact on our country was substantial, and strangely enough for milk, particularly nasty.

To meet the soaring demand for spirits, distilleries soon sprang up in most major cities. In one of the most bizarre twists of entrepreneurial insight, some brilliant soul thought it would be fun (and profitable) to confine cows adjacent to the distillery and feed them with the hot, reeking swill left over from the spirit-making process (3).

As you might guess, the effects of distillery dairy milk were abominable, and for many of those drinking it, amounted to a virtual death sentence. Confined to filthy, manure-filled pens, the unfortunate cows gave a pale, bluish milk so poor in quality, it couldn't even be used for making butter or cheese. Add sick workers with dirty hands, diseased animals and any number of contaminants in unsanitary milk pails and you had a recipe for disaster.
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/milk_history.html

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At the end of World War II, 3.7 million of America's 5.4 million farms had milk cows. Most still sold raw milk directly to neighbors and through local distribution channels, a situation that would change drastically under relentless official pressure for compulsory pasteurization of all milk. A series of articles in popular magazines in 1944, 1945 and 1946 served to frighten the public into support of these efforts. A side effect of this movement was the demise of America's small farms.

Ladies' Home Journal began the campaign with the article "Undulant Fever," claiming - without any accurate documentation - that tens of thousands of people in the US were suffered from fever and illness because of exposure to raw milk.7 The next year, Coronet magazine followed up with Raw Milk Can Kill You, by Robert Harris, MD.8 The outright lies in this article were then repeated in similar articles that appeared in The Progressive9 and The Reader's Digest10 the following year.

The author of the Coronet article represented as fact a town and an epidemic that was entirely fictitious: "Crossroads, U.S.A., is in one of those states in the Midwest area called the bread basket and milk bowl of America�.What happened to Crossroads might happen to your town - to your city - might happen almost anywhere in America." The author then gives a lurid account of a frightful epidemic of undulant fever allegedly caused by raw milk, an epidemic that "spread rapidly�it struck one out of every four persons in Crossroads. Despite the efforts of the two doctors and the State health department, one out of every four patients died.

But there was no Crossroads, and no epidemic! Author Harris admitted this in a subsequent interview with J. Howard Brown of Johns Hopkins University.11 The outbreak was fictitious and represented no actual occurrence. Harris' own public statements both before and after the Coronet article show that not only was the article a complete fiction, but that he knew that such a thing could not possibly happen.
http://greenlivingjournal.com/page.php?p=1025

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:27 PM

11. You keep telling yourself that.

Good luck.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:44 PM

12. i'll keep telling you that because its the truth and your hooey should be disputed

luck has nothing to do with not getting poisoned.

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:20 PM

14. You seem to be under the impression that only Americans died of infections from raw milk

whereas, of course, it was a problem the world over. And still is:

According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), there were 86 reported food poisoning outbreaks from raw milk between 1998 and 2008, resulting in 1,676 illnesses, 191 hospitalizations, and two deaths.

Raw milk is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other foodborne disease outbreak, says Hannah Gould, Ph.D., senior epidemiologist with the CDC's Enteric Diseases Epidemiology Branch.

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/milk_history.html

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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:49 PM

6. people who try and defend monsanto are somewhat quixote-esque. there is no defense for evil

i'm sure any random 90 seconds of this movie is more informative than every PR statement monsanto has ever made in history.

who in their right mind would respect anything to do with big M?

i can't imagine an adult person being naive enough to think 'yay, monsanto! they're the good guys!'

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-04/-mounting-evidence-of-bug-resistant-corn-seen-by-epa.html

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http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/05/09/raw-milk-promotes-health/


Mark Holbreich, et al. “Amish children living in Northern Indiana have a very low prevalence of allergic sensitization,” 19 April 2012. Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology. Available at http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0091-6749/PIIS0091674912005192.pdf

Georg Loss, et al. “The protective effect of farm milk consumption on childhood asthma and atopy,” 16 July 2011. American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. Available at http://www.mnhlrp.org/images/RawMilkStudy.pdf

Kenneth Todar, “Lactococcus lactis: nominated as the Wisconsin State Microbe,” n.d. (ca. Dec. 2009) http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/featured_microbe.html

Zhang W, et al. “Construction and expression of food-grade β-galactosidase gene in Lactococcus Lactis,” 17 Jan. 2011. Current Microbiology, 62(2): 639-44. Abstract at http://lactoseintolerance.researchtoday.net/archive/7/1/671.htm

Iowa House Study Bill 585, “An Act providing that certain milk and products using milk may 1 be transferred directly by operators of dairy farms, and 2 making penalties applicable.” Proposed 1 Feb. 2012. http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/default.asp?category=billinfo&service=billbook&GA=84&hbill=HSB585

Sarah Couture Pope, M.D., “Health concerns from raw milk are exaggerated,” 10 Apr. 2012. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120410/OPINION/304100044/Another-View-Health-concerns-from-raw-milk-exaggerated

Gary Null, Ph.D., and Nancy Ashley, VMD, “The Politics of Medicine,” 5 Mar. 2012. http://prn.fm/2012/05/11/gary-null-phd-and-nancy-ashley-vmd-the-politics-of-medicine/; also see Part 2: “FDA Pimping for Big Pharma,” 12 Mar. 2012. http://www.scribd.com/doc/85046257/Gary-Null-Politics-of-Medicine-Part-II-FDA-Pimping-for-Big-Pharma; and Part 3: “Scientific Studies – Clinical Evidence or a License to Kill?” 30 Mar. 2012. http://prn.fm/2012/04/02/the-politics-of-medicine-part-3-scientific-studies-clinical-evidence-or-a-license-to-kill/

Lobbyist Declarations for HSB585 (Iowa). http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/default.asp?Category=Lobbyist&Service=DspReport&ga=84&type=b&hbill=HSB585

Richard P. Evershed, et al., “Earliest date for milk use in the Near East and southeastern Europe linked to cattle herding,” Nature 455, 528-531 (25 Sept. 2008) | doi:10.1038/nature07180; Received 19 Feb. 2008; Accepted 19 June 2008; Published online 6 Aug 2008. Available at http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7212/abs/nature07180.html; Also see: M. S. Copley, et al., “Direct chemical evidence for widespread dairying in prehistoric Britain,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 18 Feb. 2003, vol. 100, no. 4. 1524–1529. Available at http://www.pnas.org/content/100/4/1524.full.pdf

Emmanuelle Schick Garcia, “The Idiot Cycle,” 2009. (96 mins.) http://www.japanesepopsongs.com/idiotcycle/

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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:06 PM

13. Pharmageddon!!

 

Same infection, different agency- precisely why a big central government is not a good thing for the people



David Healy, Pharmageddon
Has American health care been highjacked by Big Pharma?
http://www.amazon.com/Pharmageddon-David-Healy/dp/0520270983/

This searing indictment, David Healy's most comprehensive and forceful argument against the pharmaceuticalization of medicine, tackles problems in health care that are leading to a growing number of deaths and disabilities. Healy, who was the first to draw attention to the now well-publicized suicide-inducing side effects of many anti-depressants, attributes our current state of affairs to three key factors:

product rather than process patents on drugs, the classification of certain drugs as prescription-only, and industry-controlled drug trials.


These developments have tied the survival of pharmaceutical companies to the development of blockbuster drugs, so that they must overhype benefits and deny real hazards. Healy further explains why these trends have basically ended the possibility of universal health care in the United States and elsewhere around the world. He concludes with suggestions for reform of our currently corrupted evidence-based medical system.

Check out the reviews. David Healy is probably the leading world expert on SSRI drugs.

Free podcast-interview with Dr. Healy- Jefferson Exchange- October 2, 2012 Phamargeddon
http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/jpr/id/2084251

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Response to gateley (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:31 PM

15. Locking.

The op can repost without linking to coast-to-coast 24/7 woo.

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