Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:31 AM

Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens to "spill blood"

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He said Wednesday was the first time he was there to hear the kindergartners say the Pledge of Allegiance. He thought he heard the word "liberty" removed. But more importantly, he said, was that the pledge was immediately followed by students' recitation of the school creed. In it, students are asked to treat others with respect, follow school and classroom rules and "to try their best." He said he was upset they pledged this while still holding their hands over their hearts and facing the U.S. flag.

There should be a break between the pledges, he said, and students should not be facing the flag. He called it "conditioning a child" to blindly obey authority without knowing what is in the rules they are promising to obey. "In the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement, people made similar promises," McGroarty said.

At the time, McGroarty went to speak with the school principal, but was put off. He returned to the library and continued his work, but then asked a librarian to call the principal. When she refused, he said he told the children: "Children, do not blindly follow to swear allegiance and to follow rules without knowing what they are," and told the children to ask their parents about Nazis.

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When he emailed school officials that he had "spilled blood before" and would do so again to defend freedom, McGroarty said, he was not threatening violence; he was speaking as a military veteran who had sworn to protect the U.S. and defend its Constitution. Veterans, he said, will understand that.

more ... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130111/news/701119803/

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Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens to "spill blood" (Original post)	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	OP
Bet he hangs on every word uttered on FOX.	appleannie1	Jan 2013	#1
political and social indoctrination based on factually bereft or incorrect proganda	think	Jan 2013	#84
I'm a veteran, and I understand that	Ron Green	Jan 2013	#2
Well, technically, requiring schoolchildren to recite	NashvilleLefty	Jan 2013	#3
Exactly. The guy is clearly a moran. nt	valerief	Jan 2013	#43
Ya know what we did in school (late 60s -- early 70s)?	Manifestor_of_Light	Jan 2013	#4
Ooooo you rebel.... n/t	Agschmid	Jan 2013	#6
Badda bing! Time to bring truth back to schoolchildren. nt	valerief	Jan 2013	#44
That is great!	Plucketeer	Jan 2013	#69
I stood up, hands at my side and never pledged to the flag....	WCGreen	Jan 2013	#75
When my daughter graduated from elementary school she was in a ceremony	freedom fighter jh	Jan 2013	#95
Cool...	WCGreen	Jan 2013	#118
He's a RW Reagan worshiper - here's his FaceBook below	Jumping John	Jan 2013	#5
Interesting replies from his friends	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#10
It looks like his friends bust him out constantly on his posts.	MessiahRp	Jan 2013	#35
THIS^^^^^^^^!	Cha	Jan 2013	#97
Exactly.	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#104
This is kindergarten folks...	AnneD	Jan 2013	#133
I'm glad I spent my kindergarten years at a babysitter's	Art_from_Ark	Jan 2013	#141
FTW! n/t	Zookeeper	Jan 2013	#134
Did you look at his "Likes" page?	UnrepentantLiberal	Jan 2013	#28
he needs to remove all grateful dead links	bora13	Jan 2013	#61
Floyd too.n/t	skamaria	Jan 2013	#121
a link from his facebook page .... no lapdog media	Botany	Jan 2013	#53
Big Shocker, he's racist piece of shit. nm	Cha	Jan 2013	#98
Thanks for the link!	obama2terms	Jan 2013	#139
His ex-wife now has the kids full time, no surprise	Hekate	Jan 2013	#7
This was posted on his Facebook page:	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#12
S**t. I think I'd take the kids and move far away	Hekate	Jan 2013	#16
Well the fact that his Facebook page isn't set to private tells us a lot.	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#17
Trying to follow the logic of that flowchart would make anyone nuts.	AtheistCrusader	Jan 2013	#18
Ha! But it's got the word "Proven" in there, so it must make sense.	valerief	Jan 2013	#45
You're right, I missed it...	awoke_in_2003	Jan 2013	#67
I associated "proven" with Child Abuse	immoderate	Jan 2013	#79
it isnt difficult. The 'victim' has to pay child support.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#77
MRA?	erpowers	Jan 2013	#100
Men's Rights Activists	obamanut2012	Jan 2013	#107
Thanks for posting that. I was sitting here at home, thinking: ...	BlueJazz	Jan 2013	#83
But it has clip art and arrows	catrose	Jan 2013	#88
He probably created it using Mad Skillz he learned while earning his degrees from U of Pheonix	auburngrad82	Jan 2013	#109
Bwahahahahahahah!	crim son	Jan 2013	#129
Holy crap, if Glenn Grothman sees this it'll be codified in Wisconsin law within a week.	Scuba	Jan 2013	#38
A men's rights guy with anger issues. What could go wrong there?	Patiod	Jan 2013	#48
I am sure she lives in fear of this guy	obamanut2012	Jan 2013	#49
Chip on his shoulder, much?	Tab	Jan 2013	#66
Yikes!!! Keep kids very far away from this man!	Initech	Jan 2013	#86
A men's rights activist, aka twisted misogynist asshole.	morningfog	Jan 2013	#120
Oh, thank GOD! Those sweet little faces on his FB page are gut-wrenching.	Iris	Jan 2013	#106
what a loon	sad-cafe	Jan 2013	#8
Yep. Check out his Facebook page.	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#11
it is scary to know that people like this exist	sad-cafe	Jan 2013	#91
"freak out nation"	Warren DeMontague	Jan 2013	#9
In Junior High, our Principle used to scream when we paused between	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#13
I never say "under God"	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#15
+1	AtheistCrusader	Jan 2013	#19
The years I teach World Geography, I point out the obvious - look at any map.	mbperrin	Jan 2013	#140
We never paused at "under God" back during WW2!	JHB	Jan 2013	#46
Hell, no. They think the Pledge is part of the Constitution dating back to 1787.	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#85
1787? You sayin' the Constitution ain't part of the Bible?	tclambert	Jan 2013	#124
This is surprising. Usually people only get upset if they don't hear the students shout "UNDER GOD"	JVS	Jan 2013	#14
The crazies on the Right have ruined the meaning of the word "liberty".	CheapShotArtist	Jan 2013	#20
The older and wiser I become, the more childish and Fascistic the pledge seems.	SleeplessinSoCal	Jan 2013	#21
After three years having my kids in German public schools	flygal	Jan 2013	#29
I started kindergarten in	FlaGranny	Jan 2013	#127
After 9/11, a wingnut PA rep wanted to require the flag & pledge at all schools	Patiod	Jan 2013	#50
That's the same reason we didn't get the pledge mandated in KS	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#81
They can mandate it until they are blue in the face, but it won't happen	Patiod	Jan 2013	#96
"....And how would they go about forcing these kids to do the pledge?...."	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#111
If I had known what it meant when they made us chant it every day....	mwb970	Jan 2013	#60
It is nothing more...	awoke_in_2003	Jan 2013	#68
The guy needs a full metal straight jacket...nt	GReedDiamond	Jan 2013	#22
So not saying the word "liberty" somehow equates to "Hitler Youth".	Initech	Jan 2013	#23
Little can McGroarty comprehend, but ...	area51	Jan 2013	#24
My daughter had a great idea...	kag	Jan 2013	#25
Your daughter is really smart	tavalon	Jan 2013	#34
Children should wait to recite the pledge until all the words are on their grade level spelling.	DhhD	Jan 2013	#54
Wow, some people are nuts! nt	cecilfirefox	Jan 2013	#26
I liked this comment from his local paper.	Divernan	Jan 2013	#27
Touche, LOL.	catbyte	Jan 2013	#32
Oh the irony there	Spider Jerusalem	Jan 2013	#30
Reminds me of when I recited the pledge in kindergarten.	GoCubsGo	Jan 2013	#93
What a dangerous fool!	SouthernDonkey	Jan 2013	#31
Wow, Godwin's Law, dude,	tavalon	Jan 2013	#33
This guy has a major chip on his shoulder and is spoiling for a fight.	Tanuki	Jan 2013	#36
What a freakin' loon!	LeftofObama	Jan 2013	#37
Thank goodness it was a kindergarten class.	JohnnyRingo	Jan 2013	#70
I don't think so. He probably scared the day lights out of those babies.	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#82
He took an oath to serve the Constitution, but not to serve the government?	Rozlee	Jan 2013	#87
So,	meanit	Jan 2013	#114
The dude always has the option of joining his PTA and/or run for the Board of Education.	no_hypocrisy	Jan 2013	#39
Ho Hum just another AWG making Terrorists threats, lucky for him he is white and can get a pass for	stultusporcos	Jan 2013	#40
he lives in rockford il....there`s nothing more to say.	madrchsod	Jan 2013	#41
New mental illness: the FOX Effect. (P.S. No child can be compelled to say the PoA. Stand, yes;	WinkyDink	Jan 2013	#42
Standing is often compelled, erroneously.	July	Jan 2013	#62
creator of the pledge was socialist. Seriously.	cvoogt	Jan 2013	#47
And check out	gasser85	Jan 2013	#71
Another Fox Indoctrinated FrightWing Crazy Intimidating School Officials And Upsetting Little Children	cantbeserious	Jan 2013	#51
Remember how we used to be fed images of the Chinese school children...	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#52
these	heaven05	Jan 2013	#55
+1	lunasun	Jan 2013	#123
Almost every elementary school I sub in has some kind of classroom/school pledge.	Jennicut	Jan 2013	#56
Well he's a flaming loonbat with anger issues but he does have good taste in music	cherish44	Jan 2013	#57
Forget the Ativan. He needs to smoke a j.	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#112
Anyone want to make a guess	thucythucy	Jan 2013	#58
Charge said douchebag with a felony, convict him and take his guns	jpak	Jan 2013	#59
Umm	a2liberal	Jan 2013	#63
That was such a tricky statement right there!	alp227	Jan 2013	#116
Sean Hannity	libodem	Jan 2013	#64
He'd lose his shit if he knew that the Pledge was written by an avowed, life-long Socialist.	Ikonoklast	Jan 2013	#65
Unfortunately, too many people are too eager to kiss the asses of the military.	Arctic Dave	Jan 2013	#80
You got that right! n/t	kurtzapril4	Jan 2013	#89
Good Lord...	shenmue	Jan 2013	#72
I keep saying it: they want us all DEAD. They won't be happy until we are.	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#113
no wonder he's divorced...	SemperEadem	Jan 2013	#73
What a fucking nut	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2013	#74
How rich. Too stupid to know the pledge is exactly the kind of loyalty oath he hates	arcane1	Jan 2013	#76
What is it with some people and their anger issues	life long demo	Jan 2013	#78
Dad needs to	El Shaman	Jan 2013	#90
Shouldn't schools be screening volunteers a lot better?	FarCenter	Jan 2013	#92
And making kids pledge allegiance to the flag is not "'conditioning a child' to blindly obey	freedom fighter jh	Jan 2013	#94
Not The Onion	erpowers	Jan 2013	#99
Wait until he finds out that......	Caeser67	Jan 2013	#101
I guess	Lex	Jan 2013	#103
What an ignorant asshole.	Lex	Jan 2013	#102
We need more rubber rooms...	Kalidurga	Jan 2013	#105
As a Veteran	atreides1	Jan 2013	#108
Who the hell does he think he is,,,	benld74	Jan 2013	#110
Any bets on whether he's an avid gun owner, has an AR-15 (or something similar), and a member of	4lbs	Jan 2013	#115
Have to wonder what the father would do if he saw this clip about the history of the pledge.	diabeticman	Jan 2013	#117
I guarantee you this is another one of our "law abiding gun owners" at work.	apocalypsehow	Jan 2013	#119
We did all sorts of pledges when I was a kid.	nyquil_man	Jan 2013	#122
This message was self-deleted by its author	savebigbird	Jan 2013	#125
Wonder what he would do if he knew the pledge was written by a Christian socialist in 1892?....	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#126
And pledging allegiance to a flag isn't blind obedience?	Dash87	Jan 2013	#128
He must be one of those "volunteer dads" the NRA talked about. (nt)	ehrnst	Jan 2013	#130
The lack of violence in society has made him snap.	Bucky	Jan 2013	#131
LOL! n/t	Zookeeper	Jan 2013	#135
At my RW/Christian Fundy school we pledged allegiance to christian flag and bible	NAO	Jan 2013	#132
My first thought: He should "get a job." n/t	Zookeeper	Jan 2013	#136
According to his Facebook page, he has his own company.	proud2BlibKansan	Jan 2013	#137
I meant it in the snarkiest sense. 'Clearly his company isn't keeping him	Zookeeper	Jan 2013	#138

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:44 AM

appleannie1 (3,017 posts)

Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens to "spill blood"

1. Bet he hangs on every word uttered on FOX.

84. political and social indoctrination based on factually bereft or incorrect proganda

2. I'm a veteran, and I understand that

3. Well, technically, requiring schoolchildren to recite

43. Exactly. The guy is clearly a moran. nt

4. Ya know what we did in school (late 60s -- early 70s)?

6. Ooooo you rebel.... n/t

44. Badda bing! Time to bring truth back to schoolchildren. nt

69. That is great!

75. I stood up, hands at my side and never pledged to the flag....

95. When my daughter graduated from elementary school she was in a ceremony

118. Cool...

5. He's a RW Reagan worshiper - here's his FaceBook below

10. Interesting replies from his friends

35. It looks like his friends bust him out constantly on his posts.

97. THIS^^^^^^^^!

104. Exactly.

133. This is kindergarten folks...

141. I'm glad I spent my kindergarten years at a babysitter's

134. FTW! n/t

28. Did you look at his "Likes" page?

61. he needs to remove all grateful dead links

121. Floyd too.n/t

53. a link from his facebook page .... no lapdog media

98. Big Shocker, he's racist piece of shit. nm

139. Thanks for the link!

7. His ex-wife now has the kids full time, no surprise

12. This was posted on his Facebook page:

16. S**t. I think I'd take the kids and move far away

17. Well the fact that his Facebook page isn't set to private tells us a lot.

18. Trying to follow the logic of that flowchart would make anyone nuts.

45. Ha! But it's got the word "Proven" in there, so it must make sense.

67. You're right, I missed it...

79. I associated "proven" with Child Abuse

77. it isnt difficult. The 'victim' has to pay child support.

100. MRA?

107. Men's Rights Activists

83. Thanks for posting that. I was sitting here at home, thinking: ...

88. But it has clip art and arrows

109. He probably created it using Mad Skillz he learned while earning his degrees from U of Pheonix

129. Bwahahahahahahah!

38. Holy crap, if Glenn Grothman sees this it'll be codified in Wisconsin law within a week.

48. A men's rights guy with anger issues. What could go wrong there?

49. I am sure she lives in fear of this guy

66. Chip on his shoulder, much?

86. Yikes!!! Keep kids very far away from this man!

120. A men's rights activist, aka twisted misogynist asshole.

106. Oh, thank GOD! Those sweet little faces on his FB page are gut-wrenching.

8. what a loon

11. Yep. Check out his Facebook page.

91. it is scary to know that people like this exist

9. "freak out nation"

13. In Junior High, our Principle used to scream when we paused between

15. I never say "under God"

19. +1

140. The years I teach World Geography, I point out the obvious - look at any map.

46. We never paused at "under God" back during WW2!

85. Hell, no. They think the Pledge is part of the Constitution dating back to 1787.

124. 1787? You sayin' the Constitution ain't part of the Bible?

14. This is surprising. Usually people only get upset if they don't hear the students shout "UNDER GOD"

20. The crazies on the Right have ruined the meaning of the word "liberty".

21. The older and wiser I become, the more childish and Fascistic the pledge seems.

29. After three years having my kids in German public schools

127. I started kindergarten in

50. After 9/11, a wingnut PA rep wanted to require the flag & pledge at all schools

81. That's the same reason we didn't get the pledge mandated in KS

96. They can mandate it until they are blue in the face, but it won't happen

111. "....And how would they go about forcing these kids to do the pledge?...."

60. If I had known what it meant when they made us chant it every day....

68. It is nothing more...

22. The guy needs a full metal straight jacket...nt

23. So not saying the word "liberty" somehow equates to "Hitler Youth".

24. Little can McGroarty comprehend, but ...

25. My daughter had a great idea...

34. Your daughter is really smart

54. Children should wait to recite the pledge until all the words are on their grade level spelling.

26. Wow, some people are nuts! nt

27. I liked this comment from his local paper.

32. Touche, LOL.

94. And making kids pledge allegiance to the flag is not "'conditioning a child' to blindly obey