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Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:31 AM

Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens to "spill blood"

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He said Wednesday was the first time he was there to hear the kindergartners say the Pledge of Allegiance. He thought he heard the word "liberty" removed. But more importantly, he said, was that the pledge was immediately followed by students' recitation of the school creed. In it, students are asked to treat others with respect, follow school and classroom rules and "to try their best." He said he was upset they pledged this while still holding their hands over their hearts and facing the U.S. flag.

There should be a break between the pledges, he said, and students should not be facing the flag. He called it "conditioning a child" to blindly obey authority without knowing what is in the rules they are promising to obey. "In the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement, people made similar promises," McGroarty said.

At the time, McGroarty went to speak with the school principal, but was put off. He returned to the library and continued his work, but then asked a librarian to call the principal. When she refused, he said he told the children: "Children, do not blindly follow to swear allegiance and to follow rules without knowing what they are," and told the children to ask their parents about Nazis.

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When he emailed school officials that he had "spilled blood before" and would do so again to defend freedom, McGroarty said, he was not threatening violence; he was speaking as a military veteran who had sworn to protect the U.S. and defend its Constitution. Veterans, he said, will understand that.

more ... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130111/news/701119803/

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/01/12/dad-visits-kids-school-doesnt-hear-liberty-in-pledge-of-allegiance-threatens-he-has-spilled-blood-before-will-again/

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Reply Dad visits kid’s school, doesn’t hear ‘liberty’ in Pledge of Allegiance, threatens to "spill blood" (Original post)
proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 OP
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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:44 AM

1. Bet he hangs on every word uttered on FOX.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:39 PM

84. political and social indoctrination based on factually bereft or incorrect proganda

does have it's repercussions.....

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:47 AM

2. I'm a veteran, and I understand that

this guy is talking like a fool and acting like a jerk.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:56 AM

3. Well, technically, requiring schoolchildren to recite

the Pledge of Allegiance is "indoctrination" - but he doesn't seem to understand it. What is the difference between "Liberty" and "Freedom and Justice for all"?

Further, he thought that the word "Liberty" was removed but didn't recognize that the words "under God" were added?

Finally, his email that he had "spilled blood before" and would do so again is most definitely a threat and could not be construed to be anything else.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:36 AM

43. Exactly. The guy is clearly a moran. nt

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:59 AM

4. Ya know what we did in school (late 60s -- early 70s)?

We ended the pledge with "With liberty and justice for all the very rich."



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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:02 AM

6. Ooooo you rebel.... n/t

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:37 AM

44. Badda bing! Time to bring truth back to schoolchildren. nt

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:35 PM

69. That is great!

And the truth shall set you FREE!

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:38 PM

75. I stood up, hands at my side and never pledged to the flag....

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:17 PM

95. When my daughter graduated from elementary school she was in a ceremony

in which the graduating sixth graders had to say the pledge. I was annoyed that the kids had to make this blind promise, and doubly annoyed because my kid had the wrong hand on her chest. I thought she had learned left from right a long time ago.

Later, I asked her about using the wrong hand. She explained that it was her form of protest.

I was proud.

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Response to freedom fighter jh (Reply #95)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:00 PM

118. Cool...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:00 AM

5. He's a RW Reagan worshiper - here's his FaceBook below

 

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Response to Jumping John (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:26 AM

10. Interesting replies from his friends

Would you acknowledge that your email calling the school creed "teaching fascism plain and simple" and accusing the school of seeking to "introduce a Nazi way of life into the USA" was, just maybe, a little over the top? I think that one reason this story has gotten so much traction is that your characterization of this as "fascism" is perceived as completely out of proportion to the content of the five lines the children recite.


This has to do talking about shedding blood in reference to a practice you don't like -- at an elementary school. One could easily complain about something about the school without using rhetoric that could easily be construed as violent or threatening. That comment was completely over-the-top and wildly inappropriate.


If there is a loud angry man in my granddaughter's classroom, I want the swat team right now to take him out of the situation.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:19 AM

35. It looks like his friends bust him out constantly on his posts.

Which is funny, usually these nutters shut it down and delete people when they are made to look like uneducated tools.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:37 PM

97. THIS^^^^^^^^!

If there is a loud angry man in my granddaughter's classroom, I want the swat team right now to take him out of the situation.

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Response to Cha (Reply #97)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:24 PM

104. Exactly.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #104)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:19 PM

133. This is kindergarten folks...

The Pledge usually includes....

The United Snakes of Amerca, the polic or pubic, for which it sands, and one nation invisible. The hand is placed anywhere from shoulder to stomach, over the heart.

What a maroon.

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Response to AnneD (Reply #133)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 03:18 AM

141. I'm glad I spent my kindergarten years at a babysitter's

We got to eat homemade cookies and cherry cobbler , play in the back yard, watch cartoons and Romper Room, and read Dr. Seuss books. It was great.

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Response to Cha (Reply #97)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:42 PM

134. FTW! n/t

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Response to Jumping John (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:01 AM

28. Did you look at his "Likes" page?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:36 AM

61. he needs to remove all grateful dead links

they don't mix well with all the others...

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Response to bora13 (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:41 AM

121. Floyd too.n/t

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Response to Jumping John (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:49 AM

53. a link from his facebook page .... no lapdog media

http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Lapdog-Media/196191323757320

racist anti Obama lies ..... nothing more and nothing less

If this man reads and thinks this crap is true he is a real sicko

from his no lapdog media link

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Response to Botany (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:40 PM

98. Big Shocker, he's racist piece of shit. nm

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Response to Jumping John (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:14 PM

139. Thanks for the link!

This guy is an absolute NUTCASE!! Haha even his own facebook friends seem to bash what he posts.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:14 AM

7. His ex-wife now has the kids full time, no surprise

He then took his children home with him to Rockford. (Their mother has primary custody, but they were supposed to stay with him that night, McGroarty said.) The mother has since obtained an order of protection against McGroarty, and the children were returned to her. McGroarty has been banned from school property.

This is a very scary man, imo. Wonder if that has anything to do with his being divorced?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:35 AM

12. This was posted on his Facebook page:

Perhaps there are some child support issues as well?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:44 AM

16. S**t. I think I'd take the kids and move far away

He's a bully with anger issues who plays the victim card. He should not be allowed to volunteer with kids at school again after that outburst telling little kindergardeners to ask their parents about Nazis -- and this FB page just seals the deal as far as I'm concerned.

Watch out for him in the future.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:49 AM

17. Well the fact that his Facebook page isn't set to private tells us a lot.

His ex-wife's lawyer is going to have a field day with that.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:02 AM

18. Trying to follow the logic of that flowchart would make anyone nuts.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:39 AM

45. Ha! But it's got the word "Proven" in there, so it must make sense.

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Response to valerief (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:17 PM

67. You're right, I missed it...

America is so fucked now

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Response to valerief (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:59 PM

79. I associated "proven" with Child Abuse

And I took the reference to mean that the evidence was circumstantial.

I know there's no way to be sure what it means, if anything.

--imm

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:49 PM

77. it isnt difficult. The 'victim' has to pay child support.

typical MRA bullshit. somehow being held responsible for your offspring even after your wife dumps you is totalitarianism.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:18 PM

100. MRA?

Can you please tell me what MRA stands for?

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Response to erpowers (Reply #100)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:46 PM

107. Men's Rights Activists

Read about them on the SPLC's website -- they are classified as hate groups for a reason.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:32 PM

83. Thanks for posting that. I was sitting here at home, thinking: ...

"Damn..I can usually follow these things fairly easy but this chart flows like some cattle stampede"

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:19 PM

88. But it has clip art and arrows

Isn't that enough to make it crystal clear?

If it weren't such a loaded subject--I can at least identify the subject and what it's supposed to prove (I think), I'd use it as an anti-example the next time I lecture on the cognitive dissonance of PowerPoint.

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Response to catrose (Reply #88)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:56 PM

109. He probably created it using Mad Skillz he learned while earning his degrees from U of Pheonix

Looks like he earned two online degrees, one in crayons and one in finger painting. He's highly edumaketed for an idiot.

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Response to auburngrad82 (Reply #109)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:02 AM

129. Bwahahahahahahah!

I was thinking the same thing. He surely doesn't do much for the UofP's image.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:55 AM

38. Holy crap, if Glenn Grothman sees this it'll be codified in Wisconsin law within a week.

Sounds like the asshole is buddy/buddy with Deadbeat Dad Joe Walsh.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:02 AM

48. A men's rights guy with anger issues. What could go wrong there?

Jesus Mary and Joseph.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:08 AM

49. I am sure she lives in fear of this guy

And, he is definitely an MRA. Scary guy.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

66. Chip on his shoulder, much?

just sayin'

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:43 PM

86. Yikes!!! Keep kids very far away from this man!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:09 PM

120. A men's rights activist, aka twisted misogynist asshole.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:44 PM

106. Oh, thank GOD! Those sweet little faces on his FB page are gut-wrenching.

Why in the hell is this man allowed to wander freely around their elementary school?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:17 AM

8. what a loon

 

I feel sorry for that man's kids

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:27 AM

11. Yep. Check out his Facebook page.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:33 PM

91. it is scary to know that people like this exist

 

Very unsettling

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:19 AM

9. "freak out nation"

Exactly.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:38 AM

13. In Junior High, our Principle used to scream when we paused between

"One nation" and "Under God"

He became enraged because he felt that pausing was wrong and disrespectful to God or something...

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:43 AM

15. I never say "under God"

And never has anyone commented to me about my omission.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:04 AM

19. +1

I can remember omitting that as far back as Kindergarten. Teacher couldn't give me a valid reason why anyone would say that part when we were learning the pledge.

I suspect she was my first, best teacher.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:37 AM

140. The years I teach World Geography, I point out the obvious - look at any map.

We're one nation under CANADA.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:47 AM

46. We never paused at "under God" back during WW2!

...(because that phrase hadn't been inserted yet).

Funny how they always forget that part...if they ever knew it in the first place.

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Response to JHB (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:42 PM

85. Hell, no. They think the Pledge is part of the Constitution dating back to 1787.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #85)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:55 AM

124. 1787? You sayin' the Constitution ain't part of the Bible?

Next you'll be claiming the founding fathers weren't all good Christians, every one of 'em.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:39 AM

14. This is surprising. Usually people only get upset if they don't hear the students shout "UNDER GOD"

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:07 AM

20. The crazies on the Right have ruined the meaning of the word "liberty".

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:07 AM

21. The older and wiser I become, the more childish and Fascistic the pledge seems.

It doesn't matter which party is in power. It sticks in my craw.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:08 AM

29. After three years having my kids in German public schools

and then going to the US for one year - the pledge seemed radical! The foreign kids also thought it was creepy. I never did the pledge growing up - it seems a new thing, maybe after 9/11 became more mainstream.

Also at sporting events here (we're back in Germany) there's no anthem or display of flag.

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Response to flygal (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:26 AM

127. I started kindergarten in

1945. The pledge was done then every morning. I don't know when it started - no time to check it right now, I have to go to work - but it has been going on for at least 67 years.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:09 AM

50. After 9/11, a wingnut PA rep wanted to require the flag & pledge at all schools

Not just public schools. Wanted a flag in every classroom to salute, and was trying to stir people up about schools that didn't do it.

This did not sit well with the Amish, Mennonite, Brethren and Quaker schools, and they made it clear they would not obey. That is one of the reason the Amish Mennonite and Brethren left Europe - the German worship of the state. Our little Quaker school was definitely not going to obey this law, had it passed.

In the end, his colleagues convinced him that since the public schools already did it, that would be enough.

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Response to Patiod (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:02 PM

81. That's the same reason we didn't get the pledge mandated in KS

There is a significant Menonite community in central Kansas. They fought it many years ago.

For all I know however they may have mandated it by now since the state has been taken over by right wing loons.

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