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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:12 PM

What the hell is going on it Mali?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict_%282012%E2%80%93present%29

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/06/mali-war-over-skin-colour

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/world/africa/an-aura-of-conflict-grows-in-a-divided-mali.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2012/07/20127362254280117.html

So France is in now, and the US is going in as well? Is this the new Afghanistan?

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Reply What the hell is going on it Mali? (Original post)
redgreenandblue Jan 2013 OP
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
FarCenter Jan 2013 #2
FarPoint Jan 2013 #3
redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #4
FarPoint Jan 2013 #5
Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #6
ellisonz Jan 2013 #7
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #8
DFW Jan 2013 #9
ellisonz Jan 2013 #10
DFW Jan 2013 #11
ellisonz Jan 2013 #12

Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:42 PM

1. French adventurism

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:55 PM

2. We've been actively engaged in the Sahel from Morrocco to Sudan.

Remember Darfur, South Sudan, etc. Besides being a climate hell-hole, the Sahel is the seam between the Islamic Arab world and the Animist/Christian sub-Saharan African world.

Despite withering agricultural resources being consumed by a booming population, it also holds a variety of mineral and petroleum resources.

Religious, racial, linguistic and other ethnic differences make it ripe as a playground for foreign interests.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:01 PM

3. Didn't you post this exact same thread yesterday?

Why don't you just kick your own thread. Feels a bit like spam now. Just trying to help.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:03 PM

4. I didn't.

Must have been someone else.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:46 PM

5. Probably so...

I think it was with a video too....

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:42 PM

6. One of my favorite bands is from there

and I am interested in just what is going on there. It is confusing.
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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:48 PM

7. Toureg Islamic Extremists took over the north of Mali.

They've banned all music and have destroyed a UNESCO World Heritage site in Timbuktu. They continued advancing south and the government of Mali has requested international intervention.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:16 PM

8. Mali and the rest of ECOWAS have been pushing for intervention for months.

It's actually been in the news and everything, and no, it isn't exclusively about the United States or something similarly batshit, though I'm sure people will spin it that way. It also isn't a new development; armed intervention was a guarantee as far back as November when the Security Council called for it on the request of just about every country in the region. I or anyone else reading the news could have told you then that this was going to happen (though I expected it to be a few months later).

Also, interventions in that part of Africa happen every few years, sometimes without force, sometimes with quite a bit of it, depending on the specific situation.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:28 PM

9. A French friend of mine used to vacation there a few decades ago

He said "les Maliens" were a very cool, gentle, laid back people. I'm having a hard time reconciling his experiences with the violence and horror being perpetrated in the north of Mali now. Banning music, women's rights, basically instituting Taliban-style dark times runs contrary to the nature of the people my friend described. Indeed, reports indicate that the Islamists were able to overrun the population due not only to local corruption, but because of their naturally docile nature. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that the Islamic hardliners now controlling the north are not all natives of Mali.

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Response to DFW (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:33 PM

10. They are mostly Tuaregs...

...the South of Mali is mostly Mande.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali

The Tuaregs are kinda like the Kurds, a people without a state.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:05 AM

11. I know who the Tuaregs are

However, this is the first instance I know of where they have organized (or, more likely, been organized) to the point where they have taken over even a part of a country, even one so fragile as Mali. A normally nomadic people, this situation begs the question as to who is behind their sudden political and territorial ambitions.

Much as I welcome any solution to removing them as a political (and quasi-military) power, I wouldn't want to be a British or French soldier who falls into their hands as a prisoner.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:22 AM

12. Gaddafi and Osama...

...even from the grave.

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