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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:15 PM

White Dude Gets Slap on the Wrist for Threatening to Kill People; Brown Dudes, Like, WTF!?

White Dude Gets Slap on the Wrist for Threatening to Kill People; Brown Dudes, Like, WTF!?
By Imani Gandy (ABL) January 12th, 2013

Isnít it nice when unhinged white folks can record YouTube videos of themselves threatening to kill people if they donít get their way, and the only response is that the local Department of Homeland Security revokes their gun permit?

If James Yeager had been Jalal al Yeager or Tyrone Yeager, who wants to wager that the response to his roid tantrum this week would have been vastly different?
Anyone?



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Phew. They suspended his gun permit. That settles that. Itís not like thereís any possible way he could have guns or get guns. Not with our airtight gun regulations. Besides, he seems nice, so we can all breathe a sigh of relief.

Gotta love how white dudes can videotape themselves threatening mass murder, then later release a statement that says ďI was mad when I said that shit, but I totally meant it,Ē and end up getting only a slap on the wrist.


Being white must be nice.

http://angryblackladychronicles.com/2013/01/11/dude-who-threatened-to-kill-people-has-gun-permit-suspended/

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Reply White Dude Gets Slap on the Wrist for Threatening to Kill People; Brown Dudes, Like, WTF!? (Original post)
kpete Jan 2013 OP
dkf Jan 2013 #1
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12
dkf Jan 2013 #13
JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #23
dkf Jan 2013 #28
JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #33
dkf Jan 2013 #56
obama2terms Jan 2013 #44
dkf Jan 2013 #55
stevenleser Jan 2013 #35
cantbeserious Jan 2013 #2
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #3
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #4
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #9
NOLALady Jan 2013 #16
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #17
blaze Jan 2013 #25
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #31
blaze Jan 2013 #34
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #36
tavalon Jan 2013 #42
hack89 Jan 2013 #21
Hoyt Jan 2013 #32
heaven05 Jan 2013 #26
yardwork Jan 2013 #5
FreeBC Jan 2013 #19
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #6
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #7
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #10
heaven05 Jan 2013 #29
NOLALady Jan 2013 #15
stevenleser Jan 2013 #37
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #51
stevenleser Jan 2013 #52
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #53
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #8
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #11
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #20
brush Jan 2013 #27
Enrique Jan 2013 #14
Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #30
patrice Jan 2013 #18
psychmommy Jan 2013 #22
PatrynXX Jan 2013 #24
freshwest Jan 2013 #38
blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #39
r2p Jan 2013 #40
Warpy Jan 2013 #41
obama2terms Jan 2013 #43
socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #45
SQUEE Jan 2013 #46
heaven05 Jan 2013 #54
KansDem Jan 2013 #47
rational_pi Jan 2013 #48
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #49
Tsiyu Jan 2013 #50

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:17 PM

1. You also get a slap on the wrist if you are David Gregory openly defying DC law.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:11 PM

12. Well, that was only sensible, Gregory is white rich and famous so it's perfectly understandable

Actually I think in Gregory's case it was more like "never mind" than a wrist slap.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:13 PM

13. Yes because it depends what your purpose is in breaking the law.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:35 PM

23. Oh please stop being so disingenuous...you have heard of extenuating circumstances?

 

Even black dudes sometimes get probation and suspended sentences. Sometimes they benefit from D.A.'s declining to prosecute.

Anyway, you do no know if David Gregory was told by his taff that they had gotten clearance, do you? Did David Gregory threaten to kill Wayne LaPierre? Don't think so. You NRA sympathizers just push things to the ludicrous extreme.

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:04 PM

28. I could care less about the NRA. I don't even have a gun.

 

But this is such a futile Argument and all it does is antagonize people.

This is all for show. Even if it passes, I hardly think it will stop mass killings. Believing that the gun laws I've heard proposed will change anything is such a self delusion. The video games train these kids to change magazines when entering a new room for gods sakes.

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Response to dkf (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:12 PM

33. And you are claiming that video games are the basis of mass shootings?

 

Another NRA talking point--

Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And hereís one: itís called Kindergarten Killers. Itís been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldnít or didnít want anyone to know you had found it?--Wayne LaPierre


Ah yes, Kindergarten Killeróthe real culprit behind our nation's epidemic of gun violence. So insidious is this game that no one has ever heard of it, let alone played it. The NRA blames the media for that. Because when the media aren't busy corrupting our moral fiber by promoting violent entertainment, they're corrupting our moral fiber by not promoting violent entertainment.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/12/21/kindergarten_killers_nra_s_wayne_lapierre_blames_violent_video_games_for.html

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Response to JoeBlowToo (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:03 AM

56. Not necessarily the basis for the aspiration but a good basis for the efficiency.

 

Pretending you don't learn anything from a first person shooter game is pretty naive.

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Response to dkf (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:28 AM

44. There was violence long before video games

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:01 AM

55. But the kids weren't being taught the most efficient way to kill a large amount of people.

 

Nor did they have the ability to train endlessly, day in and day out.

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:19 PM

35. ...

Nevermind, not worth it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:17 PM

2. Well So Much For The Argument That White Male Privilege Is Dead

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:24 PM

3. ^^This^^

with sprinkles on top.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:00 PM

9. The Black Panthers did walk around openly carrying rifles

...back in the 60s. Except the Black Panthers were responsible and didn't threaten to start killing people if they didn't get their way. Had that happened, they would have been made into Swiss cheese.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:25 PM

16. And they were destroyed.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

17. Yes, over a period of years the police killed many of them

And some were outright executed. The Black Panthers beef was with Police. The Black Panthers formed to protect blacks from being targeted and beaten up by the police in black neighborhoods. Slowly but surely the cops went at them.

I have a friend who resigned from the Seattle Police force in 1968 because of the actions of his fellow officers during a three day riot here sparked by a raid on the local Panther headquarters. He said that the officers he worked with were targeting any and all black males between the ages of 14 and 30, and beating them up. He resigned in protest.

They did do some ballsy things though, like invade the California state assembly chamber in 1967. During that invasion, and other public actions, they made no threats to "start killing people" and no shots were fired.

There were also some very stupid actions by the Panthers, like provoking shootouts with cops. It's the stupid that gets you killed.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:44 PM

25. I hope your friend rebounded with gainful employment.

I like to think ppl who stand up for justice are rewarded... karma and all that.

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Response to blaze (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:09 PM

31. Well, sort of...lol

He went on to be a director of the LDS foundation, an organization that talks Mormons into leaving their farms or other assets to the LDS church when they die.

His religious convictions were central to his decision to leave the police force.

*upon looking up his information looks like he did make something of himself (haven't seen him in 15 years). He is a VP here:

http://feedtheworld.org/

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:17 PM

34. damn... pressed for time

was that a good link or a bad link?

Not being coy.... just trying to keep up

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Response to blaze (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:21 PM

36. He teaches farmers in the third world

...how to be proficient enough to feed their families and make a little money at it. Sounds pretty good to me.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:53 AM

42. Damn, it's too bad about your friend

Seattle desperately needs some honest, good, non-racist cops.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:21 PM

21. The first step was gun control

it was call the Mulford Act and was signed by Ronald Reagan.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:11 PM

32. Wish Reagan had extended it to right wing yahoos, they are ones arming up for most part.

We'd all be better off.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:02 PM

26. duh

a lot of them were made into swiss cheese. I was there. It was, "how dare those black men(you know the word), act like they have the same privilege of carrying guns as us white males. Not shot down right there but shot sooner or later. Fred Hampton, Mark Clark and George Jackson to name a couple of the many. Please, that fox newser spewing racial hate is accepted by the culture. A white male can call our POTUS a liar during the sad state of the union address. No censure, no nothing. A black caucus member had shouted out like that to bushmonkey, fox news and major medias and house members would would still be outraged, talking about it and damning the culprit that did it, a year later. This is a racist culture. Period.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:25 PM

5. I've been thinking the same thing. Also, imagine if a lefty threatened armed insurrection.

Every news outlet would be be having hysterics 24/7 if a left-wing activist had made a video making similar threats.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:08 PM

19. Occupy threatened peaceful protests and were tracked and infiltrated by the FBI

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:27 PM

6. Yep he should be arrested...

It isn't too late. And even if they don't arrest him now, I can see him ignoring the fact he doesn't have a licence to carry. I just hope that doesn't end in tragedy.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:30 PM

7. David Gregory is also white, rich and connected.

Had he been an underprivileged person of color waving around a 30-round rifle magazine he'd be in jail.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:05 PM

10. Some non rich and not connected whites have been prosecuted in DC

for similar infractions.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:12 PM

29. the

racial disparity in sentencing is obvious.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:23 PM

15. In jail.

Or the cemetery.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:22 PM

37. I'm not sure the David Gregory analogy works. He didnt have a gun, just the magazine. And

he was a journalist making a point. Otherwise, I agree that in general, minorities with guns are treated much worse than whites with guns.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:49 PM

51. Depends on how the law is written

Does the law say possession is only illegal if there is an accompanying weapon? It's my (limited) understanding that mere possession is sufficient to violate the law.

And I'm not buying the "journalist making a point" point. How can there be a 1st Amendment right to possessing a 30-round magazine but no 2nd Amendment right? Journalists do not possess elite rights denied to the rest of us.

Either we deserve the same consideration afforded Mr. Gregory or he should be held to account to the same laws we are subject to and he -- hypocritically -- demands we obey.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:38 PM

52. Journalists are typically given a pass on various laws. For instance travel to certain states

deemed "do not travel" countries by the US State Department.

The unwritten standard that seems to exist is that if the journalistic value of breaking a given law far outweighs the cost/damage to the community and country of the law being broken, the journalist is usually given a pass.

Obviously, it depends on the given prosecutor that has jurisdiction over the area where the journalist committed the crime.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:31 PM

53. DNT is an advisory, not law.

Gregory boke the law he demands be used to send other people to prison.

We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men. Gregory was given a free pass because he favors the elitists.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:30 PM

8. Y-E-S!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:06 PM

11. Same principle:

Mortgage lending fraud perpetrated by white bankers and mortgage company owners results in a fine and no criminal charges.

Shoplifting by an impoverished immigrant mother of six results in six months on a roadside clean-up crew and a criminal conviction.

Justice in the USA.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

20. This guy didn't single out anyone. I don't know of any brown people who have said the same and been

 

squashed for it. I could be wrong, link me if I am. I don't see it so much as a racial thing as I do a wealth thing. Didn't Ted Nugent indirectly threaten the president and walk away with not even so much as a slap on the wrist? What kind of crap is that??

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:02 PM

27. It's both wealth and race

Nugent is also both, but a non-wealthy white guy will most likely get a slap on the wrist for an offense that a brown or black guy gets some time. It's like the headline of the post says: "WTF?" I say throw all these guys threatening insurrection against the government over their guns in jail, see how tough they are when the cons get a hold of them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:14 PM

14. he's not just any white dude

he's a CEO

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Response to Enrique (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:13 PM

30. thats right he's a 'job-creator'

and must be revered.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

18. True example of "white" privilege. & Why doesn't anyone mention that whatever he claims

his intentions are, this speech is inflammatory, as evidenced by the army of volunteers that showed up for him, when the story hit the news, so whatever he thought he was saying, or whatever others say he meant, there is clear proof that none of that matters, since so many people volunteered to do what he said.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:23 PM

22. thanks for introducing me to the angry black lafy.

She is really funny. I had totally missed Wm shatners tweet to the international. Space station.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:39 PM

24. and asian isn't white either

old coworker of mine did something rather stupid (and they called me stupid? ) mailed out well dropped one in Lincoln NE as well as several others around Iowa all containing the word Bomb and a usb stick to the FBI. I doubt seriously he intended to harm anyone, one of the nicest guys I've met (and he's not straight so he changed my opinion about alot of things) ie if you look up someone being charged in Lincoln NE for dropping a package with the word bomb on it. well thats who. So he'll be facing a few years for faking it. While someone who clearly wasn't faking it. uh why isn't he in jail?? Cause he's in a very red state. (more red than Nebraska.. well Lincoln is more Purple than anything else. eastern Nebraska that is. and he's asian. not born in asia. From people who would actually shoot people up, these threats should be well enforced. So this nimrod should be in jail alot longer than my old supervisor will be.

As I know the supervisor/former coworker via email within . think I last heard from him maybe 2 years ago. that email addy doesn't work anymore... Won't actually name him. But supposedly he did this because of the security company he worked for. Problem is. the local news won't state what company that is and I know he only worked for one. So for that I can't say much more. Say might have jury duty at the end of the month. unless my psych thinks being clinically depressed will get me off. I normally would be all for it but mentally no. Hope the trial stays in Nebraska. Think that would be a conflict of interest.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:17 PM

38. 'Being white must be nice.' Damned right it is:



Just a good ol' boy. He doesn't look too worried, huh?

Georgia Militia Terrorists Fit DHS Bulletin Profile Perfectly

The DHS had the temerity to make reports on RW extremism in 2008 and 2009:

...But then, we remember what happened next: right-wing hysterics took to the airwaves and the blogosphere to denounce the report as somehow a kind of "smear" of mainstream conservatives, which really was only a kind of unconscious self-indictment. Nonetheless, the Beltway media played along willingly, the result being that the DHS ultimately apologized for the report, and then proceeded to completely gut its unit devoted to monitoring right-wing extremist terrorism...

...The shouting and hysterics worked then, and they're still affecting how we talk about this. Time for that to come to an end...

Yes, it is. Time to call it what it is.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/georgia-militia-terrorists-fit-dhs-b

P. S. No, I am not gonna be nice about it.



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:08 AM

39. You know what would happen if the guy was a lefty.

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Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:20 AM

41. A more enlightened country would get him evaluated

for psychiatric problems.

We're so terrified a insurance company is going to have to reduce their profit by shelling out a few bucks for mental health, we just tap these obviously delusional males on the wrist and let them go home to lick their guns.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:24 AM

43. I agree 100%

I live in TN. and I keep on wondering why they haven't arrested him, if there is a mass shooting here the police will be to blame.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

45. This analogy is starting to get a little traction in the MSM........

Kathleen Parker in her op-ed in the Tennessean this morning specifically mentioned the incident with the Panthers and Reagan and the RW's response to it. Of course it's hard to ignore when several million people were alive to read about it and see it on the TV.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:44 AM

46. General T.A.C.O., and the call to kill "Pinkies"?

Face it both sides have extremists, and both sides want to paint the "enemy" as the violent other.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:43 PM

54. oh

that's right both sides do it. But one side don't have enough fire power and lethality to eradicate whole races and nations of people as exhibited by the history of our country's 'manifest destiny' expansion west, you know those pesky red folks that were in the way of that expansion and more recently the couple hundred thousand 'civilians' killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. No, one side IS the violent other.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

47. You also get a slap on the wrist if you leak a CIA agent's name...

...as in the case of Dick Cheney and Robert Novak.

When you come down to it, what's the difference between Cheney/Novak and Manning/Assange?

And just a reminder: all four are white males...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:46 PM

48. Being white does have privileges but

in most cases the law enforcement response differs based on
(1) Which side of left/right divide the person in question is from.
(2) A perception that threats for certain segment of population (overwhelmingly white) are merely
an expression of their frustrations.

So there is both a racial and an ideological discrimination when it comes to dealing with persons making threats.

This type of discrimination extends in how we treat other countries.

For example Iranian President's one time assertion about "whipping Israel out" (even though the context and timing of his speech were clearly aimed for domestic politics and his statement was about renaming the country to Palestine," has been passed round as a clear indication of his intents.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:15 PM

49. In order for this comparison to be valid, there needs to be a video of a similar thing by a black

dude, and something other than revocation of gun permit as the criminal punishment.

Otherwise, it's just whining, trying to make a comparison of things people THINK are so, but may not be.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #49)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:46 PM

50. Except no person of color is as stupid as Yeager

They already know what would happen to them.

It's a fantasy to think they'd be let go with a warning and a revocation of a CCP. Most of us don't need your idea of "proof" to know it.

We've got people locked away in Gitmo for far less than what Yeager did.

We've got people locked up in Tennessee for having a few pills or a sack of weed. Yet Yeager can threaten law enforcement and every citizen in this state, and his awesome tattoos seem to keep him from facing the consequences of his paranoid delusional spouting off.

So much for Tennessee keeping its citizens safe from murder, as long as we're safe from cannabis...





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