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Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:47 PM

You raped her because her clothes provoked you?



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Reply You raped her because her clothes provoked you? (Original post)
Playinghardball Jan 2013 OP
Deep13 Jan 2013 #1
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #13
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #17
Deep13 Jan 2013 #30
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #38
BainsBane Jan 2013 #19
tblue37 Jan 2013 #32
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #43
flying_wahini Jan 2013 #2
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #3
baldguy Jan 2013 #5
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #14
ck4829 Jan 2013 #33
kurtzapril4 Jan 2013 #20
seabeyond Jan 2013 #12
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #31
tavalon Jan 2013 #25
icarusxat Jan 2013 #4
TrogL Jan 2013 #6
JI7 Jan 2013 #8
gateley Jan 2013 #11
japple Jan 2013 #16
Beacool Jan 2013 #28
Heathen57 Jan 2013 #47
AAO Jan 2013 #48
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #18
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #39
tavalon Jan 2013 #23
ithinkmyliverhurts Jan 2013 #7
freshwest Jan 2013 #9
tavalon Jan 2013 #22
freshwest Jan 2013 #26
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #10
ZX86 Jan 2013 #15
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #24
Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #35
tavalon Jan 2013 #21
Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #27
Beacool Jan 2013 #29
Odin2005 Jan 2013 #44
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #34
duhneece Jan 2013 #36
In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #37
retread Jan 2013 #40
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 #41
WillyT Jan 2013 #42
War Horse Jan 2013 #45
AAO Jan 2013 #49
lunatica Jan 2013 #46
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:53 PM

1. Do people still think that?

Ugh!

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:33 PM

13. Unfortunately. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:03 PM

17. yes - it's not as rare a belief as you think

Bill O'Reilly, for one.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:04 PM

30. AKA, the last surviving Neanderthal. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:27 AM

38. He's still got pretty good ratings on Fox

unlike most of the others who have been tanking since the election

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:08 PM

19. even on DU

I've seen it a time or two here

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:23 AM

32. If they didn't burqas would not exist, and the

conservatives in India would not be saying in response to the rape of that young woman that women and girls need to wear more modest clothing to prevent such things from happening to them.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

43. I remember Limbaugh pushing this "Rape is the womans fault" meme

back in the early 2000s when some woman wearing a mini skirt got raped in Florida.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:54 PM

2. I like it!

n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:55 PM

3. There's a study, I don't have it at hand, where the rapists couldn't remember victims' clothing

but they could remember the victim's shoes.

Yup, their shoes. See, they were interested in how easy their victim could fight back, or run (or not run). Women in high heels - easy prey. Running shoes - difficult.

Its really interesting but I'm literally "running" out the door myself (in sensible running shoes)!

Rapists are interested in power, violence and control - its not about clothing.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:43 PM

5. "Well, look at how she was dressed! She was *asking* for it!"

Rapists escape punishment all the time using some variation of this same argument.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:34 PM

14. Like that case in Texas

 

Some years back (1990s?), where the defendant, whose last name was Lord, got off because the jury bought the defense attorney's argument that the woman was "asking for it."

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Response to Larrymoe Curlyshemp (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:51 AM

33. I remember that case involving the victim being threatened with a knife

How did she ask to be raped at knife point, right?

(It might not have been the same exact case, but it was the same guy. Yes, he raped twice, I wonder if the second victim asked for it too.)

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Response to baldguy (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:11 PM

20. My mother believed that.

Ahhhh...if only she knew.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:32 PM

12. OMG... i love my 3 and half inch boots. LOVE them. does it mean i am asking to be raped.

you know me. jesting.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:10 PM

31. If you can kick the shit out of your attacker all the more woe to them!



Back-at-cha sea!

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:31 PM

25. Yeah, that's the key. Rapists aren't interested in sex but rather subjugation

The only satisfaction they get is through making another person suffer. It's disgusting.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:29 PM

4. It is about power, not clothes

You can dress in the same fine duds you might find on a republican, but you are still going to get raped, even if it is just a legitimate rape...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:45 PM

6. Another powerful image - this is what I was wearing

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Response to TrogL (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:52 PM

8. it wouldn't be ok even if she wasn't wearing anything

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:25 PM

11. +1

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:46 PM

16. You're right. A woman who walks down the street completely naked is not

asking to be raped.

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Response to japple (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:17 PM

28. Hear, hear!!!

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Response to japple (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:40 PM

47. My thoughts exactly.

Men wanting to control women, all the while having absolutely no self control of their own.

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Response to japple (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:38 PM

48. But you have to admit she shouldn't be shocked by people staring

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:06 PM

18. Agreed

There is never an excuse to rape somebody.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:17 AM

39. +1000

Exactly. No one is responsible for the rapist's behavior -- except the rapist. No one.

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Response to TrogL (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:29 PM

23. Very strong and courageous woman there

I despise rapists.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:50 PM

7. And this:

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"

Qur'an Sura Nur Chapter: The Light. Verse 31

"it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person" (Matt. 15.11).

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:54 PM

9. Incapacitated women are also to blame for getting raped:

Court Requires Disabled Rape Victim To Prove She Resisted, Calls For Evidence Of ‘Biting, Kicking, Scratching’

In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who “has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate.” The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as “unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act,” the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of “biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing,” the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:

When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the state’s theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, ‘are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.’

According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as “many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent.” RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit “if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect” as the victim did in this case.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021474289

Yes, I agree with the OP. Get real, people.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:27 PM

22. That is sick

Really, really sick.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:33 PM

26. And the nightmare of every parent with a disable child. More common than many think.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:56 PM

10. +1,000,000,000,000

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:45 PM

15. You ever notice this logic

is never used when addressing prison rape? "Hey he dropped the soap. He was asking for it. That's what you get for being such a tease".

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:31 PM

24. Um, no. nt

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:58 AM

35. Said no one ever.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:26 PM

21. Best sign ever

And yes, anyone who spouts such swill deserves to be clocked.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:27 PM

29. What makes some men think that they have the right to grope a woman?

They act as if it is their birth right to grab any woman they want.

As for rape, it is indefensible. I don't care what she's wearing, no one has the right to force another person to have sex with them. In the event that the woman has passed out, that is not a tacit agreement on her part that she wants to be violated.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:20 PM

44. And when women say "stop that" they are called "frigid"...

...told they are neurotic and need to loosen up.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:56 AM

34. And shoplifters are within their rights because the goods are out on display!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:30 AM

36. Great response. I hope I remember it

When I hear a woman blamed for her rape on how provocatively she was dressed.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:19 AM

37. Let the blame go where it belongs ~ on the person committing the rape.

! ! ! There is no defense for rape. It's wrong! End of story.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:18 AM

40. This thread brings this to mind:

?w=584

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:10 AM

41. Variation on a theme

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:14 PM

42. HUGE K & R !!!


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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:32 PM

45. Rape is always wrong. Period.

We've really failed as species, as this obviously has to be explained to people in the year 2012.



Uhm, 2013.

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Response to War Horse (Reply #45)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:45 PM

49. It's amazing there should be any debate. The Tea Party influence must be finally crushed.

 

And then the rest of the repubs should be neutered by big dem majorities.

2014 will be a very good year.. IF the cards are well played ....

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:54 PM

46. kick'd and rec'd

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:46 PM

50. Oh....if I was just young again....

.... If I lived in one of those towns that had rape crews, I would form a beat-em-up crew. Call it teenage vigilante justice. If they rape, we beat-em-up. Do two wrongs make a right? No. Does a wrong and a right make a right? No. If a wrong stops a wrong, I think that makes a right. Did I say that right?

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