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Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:22 PM

Navy camo uniforms in the nooz: They're flammable. And for me: Camo? Why?

Okay, the flammable part first. It seems the Navy camo uniforms, unlike the camo in the other services, is flammable. They used to be fire proof but sailors complained about comfort. Comfort won. Now the Navy's looking at the issue again.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/01/navy-details-review-flammable-uniforms

Here is a picture of the current uniform.



I don't get this. Camo? At sea? Aboard ship? Really? Why? Back when I was in the Navy (Moby Dick was just a minnow back then) we wore dungarees and chambray shirts. The dungarees had actual, albeit mild, bell bottoms, although most sailors of the day wore Seafarer jeans. The Seafarers were quite tight in the torso and thigh area and flared smartly at the cuff. Seafarer also made nicely tailored fitted chambray shirts. This picture is typical. not model perfect, but typical of a 1960s sailor.



Sailors back then looked the part. No camo. No bullshit. Dungarees, chambray, and white hats. Iron-on name and sleeve rank insignia. Roomy shirt pockets. Seafarer was also a popular choice for civilians back then, what with the bell bottom style and all. Young women, especially, liked to wear the men's dungarees and pea coats. Very big on college campuses. My wife wore them, for example.



I still have all my uniforms. I don't fit them any more, but I do have them. I have genuine Navy issue and sets of Seafarers in dress blue, undress blue, dress whites, undress whites and lots of dungarees.

So anyway, back to today's uniforms. Why camo? What am I missing? Our uniforms had a purpose. They could stand up to actually living and working on a ship. Plus, in my view, they let sailors look like sailors, not some generic military person. Salty.

What do camos do for sailors?

I really don't get it.


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Reply Navy camo uniforms in the nooz: They're flammable. And for me: Camo? Why? (Original post)
Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 OP
Xithras Jan 2013 #1
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2
Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #5
enlightenment Jan 2013 #3
elehhhhna Jan 2013 #4
leftstreet Jan 2013 #10
petronius Jan 2013 #11
elehhhhna Jan 2013 #12
enlightenment Jan 2013 #17
GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #6
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #7
Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 #13
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #8
Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 #14
Lurks Often Jan 2013 #9
Politicub Jan 2013 #15
marions ghost Jan 2013 #16
HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #18
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #19
NV Whino Jan 2013 #20
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #21
hootinholler Jan 2013 #22

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:25 PM

1. I've never understood why sailors wore blue, much less CAMO

If you fall overboard, it seems to me that the LAST thing you want to do is BLEND IN with the sea!

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:30 PM

2. Lemme explain the original intent

And it made sense if...they had stuck to the original plan.

They wanted originally to have one set of working uniforms for all services. It would save money, and lead to cheaper uniforms for all service members...

Then it went to desert and forest...

Then you got the services going, I am Marine, I ain't wearing the same as the Army...don't get me started with Airforce. (The marines have the Globe in the pattern)

The navy as the last to get perfectly good cammy when a man (or woman) goes overboard.

It has one advantage though...sailors can go to town in them.

As to the pattern, my husband, retired Chief, had the snorting coffee through nose reaction when he saw them. The last you need is to hide if you fall overboard.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:40 PM

5. I think it also has to do with the whoever makes the uniforms

wanting to make a little more cash by creating something new...

I'm in Hampton Roads, and I remember some piece years ago on just how much time/$$$$/energy was spent even to come up with the patterns for the digital camo...

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:35 PM

3. Camoflague on a ship?

And it looks like - the ocean.

I think I'd rather be wearing something that didn't look like water - just in case I fell into the water. Of course, it sounds like the bigger problem is that the sailor's are more likely to go up like Roman candles than drown because no one could see them in their ocean-style camo.

Geeze. The biggest problem we had with fatigues when I was in the AF was that they started issuing shirts for women before they started issuing trousers for women - so our gig lines were never straight (especially since we were told to thread our belts "properly", i.e., from left to right . . . or was it right to left . . .?)

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:39 PM

4. To sum up: if you go overboard in camo,

you should immediately set it on fire, so you'll be seen.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:49 PM

10. LOL

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:53 PM

11. Genuine LOL! Well played...

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Response to petronius (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:57 PM

12. just trying to support the troops

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:44 PM

17. Wonder if that's in the washing instructions?

*snork*

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:44 PM

6. Because camo is KOOL ...

like killing shit.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:47 PM

7. Quite a few Navy Men saw service in Afghanistan and Iraq...

and not aboard Navy ships and not just a corpsman.

The were brought in to ease the strain on the traditional ground pounder units.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:58 PM

13. They did in the 60s in Viet Nam, too.

They wore USMC uniforms which are, I might add, actually *Navy* uniforms.

We had them on board the ships I was on, just in case. They were new and unused, but could be issued if the need arose.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:48 PM

8. We used to dress up like a bush when I was in the Army in order to hide

it beat the hell out of getting shot. As they say, every little bit helps.

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:58 PM

14. No bushes on ships.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:49 PM

9. One of the reasons for that particular shade & pattern

is that it does a good job of hiding show grease, oil and other stains one might find aboard a ship or in a navy yard.

A universal uniform for the services is one of the things we should have been able to save money on and the SecDef should have told all the heads of the services to shut up and deal with it or submit their retirement papers.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:59 PM

15. I LOVE the pants! I think that uniform should come back

I don't get the camo thing either.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:21 PM

16. Flame proof chemicals are nasty

I'm with the sailors on that.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:44 PM

18. A lot of Naval personell have served ashore....

In Iraq and Afghanistan...guarding prisoners and many other roles. Only makes sense for them to be issued camo.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:07 PM

19. In those duties they are issued desert camo.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:30 PM

20. Yhis has also puzzled me

On the other hand, if they were solid color, they would look like prison uniforms.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:37 PM

21. They are often referred to as Aqua-flage...............nt

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:58 AM

22. Do you remember when polyester uniforms were banned at sea?

There was a khaki polyester that was very easy care, but would light off like a book of matches. They were banned shipboard when I was in after a number of burns were exacerbated by them.

As to camo, I snicker whenever I see it.

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