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Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:11 PM

Is it possible for men to be fully human?


11 votes, 13 passes | Time left: Unlimited
No, they are all brutish louts.
4 (36%)
No, they are all loutish brutes.
1 (9%)
Only if they are gay.
6 (55%)
Only after double orchiectomy.
0 (0%)
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Reply Is it possible for men to be fully human? (Original post)
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #1
quinnox Jan 2013 #2
Scootaloo Jan 2013 #3
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #4
demwing Jan 2013 #5
quaker bill Jan 2013 #19
billh58 Jan 2013 #6
Nay Jan 2013 #7
patrice Jan 2013 #8
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #9
Kurska Jan 2013 #10
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #14
Kurska Jan 2013 #16
99Forever Jan 2013 #36
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #11
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #15
Kurska Jan 2013 #17
leftstreet Jan 2013 #22
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #25
leftstreet Jan 2013 #26
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #29
leftstreet Jan 2013 #31
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #33
leftstreet Jan 2013 #34
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #37
leftstreet Jan 2013 #39
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #43
Nevernose Jan 2013 #49
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #24
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #28
Major Nikon Jan 2013 #48
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #54
Dash87 Jan 2013 #58
Major Nikon Jan 2013 #40
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #42
dsc Jan 2013 #45
sibelian Jan 2013 #47
SummerSnow Jan 2013 #12
MissMarple Jan 2013 #13
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #18
FarCenter Jan 2013 #20
Quantess Jan 2013 #21
GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #23
FarCenter Jan 2013 #27
Speck Tater Jan 2013 #30
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #32
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #35
Mc Mike Jan 2013 #46
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #38
nachosgrande Jan 2013 #41
undeterred Jan 2013 #44
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #50
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #51
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #52
Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #53
KoKo Jan 2013 #55
Ter Jan 2013 #56
Dash87 Jan 2013 #57

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:12 PM

1. OK, you've got me laughing.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:13 PM

2. gosh, I hope so

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:16 PM

3. "Pass"

I'm afraid my cybernetic impants make me more than human... and yet... somehow less as well.

Oh well. At least I have eye-lasers and you don't.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:18 PM

4. Men?

Ewwwwwwwwwww.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:19 PM

5. Yes, but only if

a legitimate feminist gives us the stamp of approval first

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Response to demwing (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:07 PM

19. Would approval by several lesbian couples count?

They seemed sort of feminist...

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:21 PM

6. Is it possible

for men to be fully human? Depends on how you define "be."

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:23 PM

7. OK, I laughed out loud at all the choices. Funny poll, Jackpine! nt

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:26 PM

8. Sure! but only after dinner and a movie.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:28 PM

9. Why sure, you can have a couple of my fine Orchids!




....wait, that's not what you're here to take?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:28 PM

10. I laughed and then I served on the jury

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Satire is perfectly allowable.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yet another shit stirring post.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is just getting stupid and stopping any real discussion from happening.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's just a stupid post that should be ignored. I don't feel it's bad enough to be removed -- it's not vicious. I've seen worse. It's just a dumb post.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given


Proud to be the deciding vote to keep you trucking.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

14. I truly appreciate that.

This place has gotten far more Politically Correct and humorless than it used to be.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:04 PM

16. No problem, glad to help n/t

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Response to Kurska (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:52 PM

36. Someone actually alerted on this OP?




There's some people around these parts that take themselves WAY too freakin' seriously.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:31 PM

11. Sweet Jesus

Of course it's possible for men to be fully human as it is for woman to be fully human. Frankly Men, particularly White Men, don't have to worry so much about being reduced to a category. But we are conditioned in certain ways, in the same way that everybody is conditioned. Some of that conditioning might be beneficial, and some of it is less beneficial.

But its' always best to be aware of your conditioning and prejudices rather than just sitting back and feeling sorry for yourself because some people don't like you calling yourself a feminist.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:04 PM

15. The Feminism "question" is interesting because in recent years we have heard that the label has a

Bad rap with younger women because it is perceived (wrongly, we have been told) to mean something intolerant and non-inclusive, and something other than what I've always thought is the actual meaning, i,e. "supports equality for women".

If "Feminism" really is this inclusive term defined by the umbrella of "Supports equality for Women", then one would think that not only CAN Men be Feminist, but they should be, if they are decent human beings and not a-holes.

It's only in the last week or so that I've heard these sorts of proclamations about "Men, stay out of Feminism!"

Until recently, I was under the impression that it was a term we all should embrace, particularly to clear away the misconceptions that are causing young women, in large numbers, to reject the name.

Odd, to say the least.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:05 PM

17. Exactly my views on the matter.

Well spoken.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

22. Men are praised for being 'feminists,' women aren't

And that right there should tell us something

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:13 PM

25. They are?

I havent seen that.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:16 PM

26. Of course they are

A man who supports equality for women is never called a 'feminazi'

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:25 PM

29. You mean the stuff Rush Limbaugh says?

Im sure he has choice words for liberal and progressive men, too, but honestly I don't give a shit what that asshole says.

But I thought you said men who self-identify as "Feminists" get some sort of benefit. Avoiding an insult aimed at someone else is not technically a benefit, particularly if they would have avoided the insult also had they not adopted the label at all.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:30 PM

31. A man who supports equality for women gets a pat on back

That doesn't always happen for women

But I suspect you understand that - you're pretty smart

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:37 PM

33. A pat on the back from who?

Are you asserting that men only support equality to get back-pats? (Trust me, they're overrated)

Or should men NOT support equality?

Despite being a straight man, I support full equal rights for LGBT citizens. Now, thankfully, at least in my progressive circles, it is "cool" to do. Yet, I supported equal rights when it wasnt cool, too. I suppose I can feel a bit vindicated because I was ahead of my time. But whereas now maybe I get pats, in the old days I got funny looks (from the stupid ones, at least)... What's the difference?

We do what we believe is right. That's all we can do.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:40 PM

34. I asserted no such thing (as you know)

But I agree with you that some men are certainly calculating enough to adopt a faux feminist support schtick to get an ego erection out of it

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:56 PM

37. Hmm.

Interesting theory.

Like the song says, "some folks look for answers, others look for fights"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:59 PM

39. Just playin in the san...band box

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:50 PM

43. I remember the show I was at when "I can tell your future, just look what's in your hand" clicked.



Like, oh, that's sort of heavy.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:44 PM

49. But they are called

"White knights" or "manginas" or any other choice terms, usually from the same creeps who use the word "feminazi."

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:11 PM

24. This was my initial response

That said spending some time trying to understand may make it seem less odd.

I think also there is a vector of what feminism is really about - is it about economic equality? Political equality? Representation equality? or is it about consciousness raising, interpersonal relationship equality, social equality?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:21 PM

28. Theres also an element on DU that is not happy unless the board is having a flamefest

Around their particular issue of interest.

For some it is meat eating, or animal rights, although we saw more of that in the old days. For some, it is the green party or the perceived inadequacies of the Democrtic Party.

For some, it is stuff like smoking bans.

Right now, for obvious reasons, DU is pretty focused on gun control. (And for other, pretty obvious reasons, there have been concerted efforts from some quarters to change the subject or otherwise ivert from gun control)

And for some people, it is gender.

I do not, however, see how telling men they cannot or should not label themselves as "Feminist", is helpful. But i m not going to assist in stoking a conflagration on the matter, so that's all I've got to say on it.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:40 PM

48. Imagine if other areas of academic interest were similarly conflated

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:50 PM

54. That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:44 PM

58. +1

Epic

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:19 PM

40. I think the label has a bad rap for some, but perhaps not most

I try to avoid labeling myself as much as possible. I don't mind being called a Democrat, but I would never call myself a feminist, or even a meminist (totally made up word), or a MRA. While I wouldn't mind associating myself with the likes of Herb Goldberg (or Betty Friedan in the case of feminism), undoubtedly there are those who would pull the guilt by association card on the worst sort that call themselves that and I'd have even more men to carry on my back when discussing gender issues. Ironically these are the same people who refuse to carry the worst sort of feminists on their back, but still want to use the label as validation of their ideas without taking ownership of which feminist school of thought they subscribe.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:47 PM

42. I go by the "supports equality for everyone, regardless of gender" school.

So whatever that's called.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:01 PM

45. thank you for this

this is the point I was trying to make, rather badly, in that thread.

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:26 PM

47. "White Men don't have to worry so much about being reduced to a category"


..........

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:54 PM

12. Well does this include Steve Austin,The six million dollar man? He was cute and all man.cue tv theme

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:59 PM

13. Humor is a wonderful thing.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:06 PM

18. 5. All of the Above

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:08 PM

20. Only if they are bisexual

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

21. WAAAH!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:11 PM

23. No. That Y chromosome ...

is a few genes short.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:20 PM

27. By that critierion, only trisomic females would be fully human.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:28 PM

30. Define "Fully himan"

 

If by "human" you mean the bad-ass hunters who brought home the meat in the stone age family unit, then ONLY men can be fully human.

If by "human" you mean the nurturing mothers who gathered plant foods and tended the young, then only women can be fully human.

If you mean the partnership that made human survival possible for hundreds of thousands of years in the midst of harsh post-ice age changing climate, then both are fully human.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:35 PM

32. ALL humans are fully human. That's the problem

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:47 PM

35. dead white male bashing pc thugs

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:08 PM

46. I've been called a greasy thug before, too. And it never stops hurting.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:58 PM

38. (INSERT SNARKY ANSWER HERE.) n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:29 PM

41. No.

But we can achieve sub-human status through chemical castration.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:51 PM

44. Is this a trick question?

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:32 PM

50. IMO this is abusing the Ace available to be played against the patriarchy

it's sort of sad to see. It's pretty hard to do a chatroom joke on this topic

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:34 PM

51. Feeling somewhat bitter? n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:39 PM

52. Not particularly.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:41 PM

53. Super Meh

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:03 PM

55. I guess I'm lucky...I'm married to one. So..I don't get this poll and i don't

vote in DU Poles because the Administrators used to BAN folks that answered polls on DU if they answered in a way that didn't support DU's Guidelines. The Guidelines are much more strict on DU-3...so you'll never see me answering any DU Poll (which are futile exercises, anyway) .......but, thought I would answer you ...that I am NOT married to one who is NOT"human." There ARE MALES who are NOT "Knuckle Draggers."

So. there it is. If you want to count me as one who isn't afflicted who may be a some unusual statistic.. Yes..I'm lucky and so is my partner. I think there are many of us...but, MSM doesn't want to talk about that.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:27 PM

56. Alerted for sexism

 

Reverse men with women in the title, and the jokes and laughs would abruptly end.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:38 PM

57. Only when there's not a full moon out.

If you hear howling, RUN!

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