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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:26 PM

 

When did "God Bless America" become a required finishing line?

They always have to say this like its a mandatory line at the end of these kinds of speeches by all politicians. When was the last time that this line was not included it made me wonder. Has a president ever not said God Bless America at the end of a state of the union speech?

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quinnox Jan 2012 OP
SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #1
wtmusic Jan 2012 #2
RegieRocker Jan 2012 #21
valerief Jan 2012 #3
jayschool Jan 2012 #4
quinnox Jan 2012 #6
Major Nikon Jan 2012 #12
unblock Jan 2012 #5
quinnox Jan 2012 #7
JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #8
BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #10
Major Nikon Jan 2012 #13
Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #9
T S Justly Jan 2012 #11
no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #14
Sheepshank Jan 2012 #23
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #15
Bandit Jan 2012 #16
Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #17
foo_bar Jan 2012 #19
NeedleCast Jan 2012 #18
a la izquierda Jan 2012 #20
Sheepshank Jan 2012 #22
whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #24
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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:28 PM

1. I don't know, but honestly

this isn't on my priority list right now.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:30 PM

2. A little candy before you put the kiddies to bed.

No biggie.

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Response to wtmusic (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:18 PM

21. Sounds lije the kiddies are upset about the prez saying the word "God".

 

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:30 PM

3. They legislated it on coins and put it in the Pledge of Allegiance in the fifties. Maybe then. nt

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:34 PM

4. From the New York Times

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Response to jayschool (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:38 PM

6. thanks. interesting article

 

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Response to jayschool (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:48 AM

12. Lincoln was almost certainly a Deist just like most of the founding fathers

So if you dig into the history a bit more, it really gets interesting in how that phrase has been perverted.

I get a chuckle out of the historical revisionist GOP nutbags who ignorantly proclaim that the US is a "Christian nation" and as proof for their poorly researched assertion they offer up the references to a higher power found in early political leaders' writings. The higher power in that Deists believed does not in any way resemble the imaginary friend that the fundies pretend to converse. If the US were a nation of Deists, we wouldn't be burdened with all the problems fundies have created.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:37 PM

5. reagan made it pretty much mandatory. god's been in the closing lines one way or another ever since

a simple "thank you" was generally more common prior to reagan, with carter, ford, and kennedy giving god a mention once each.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/22/will-obamas-state-of-the-union-rise-above-the-cliches-of-a-stal/

The truth is that almost every rhetorical conceit in a State of the Union address is recycled. John Kennedy, a president who endorsed a strict separation between church and state, ended his 1962 speech by saying, "And in this high endeavor, may God watch over the United States of America." God's next cameo came in 1977 when Jerry Ford (who might have heard a sneeze in the audience) ended his address to Congress by saying, "Good night. And God bless you." Jimmy Carter concluded all his State of the Unions with a simple "thank you." In 1982 (the same year that he began a State of the Union tradition by introducing heroes from the balcony), Ronald Reagan combined the Ford and Carter endings by saying, "God bless you and thank you." By 1984, Reagan slipped into full Kate-Smith-singing-Irving-Berlin mode when he declared, "God bless you and God bless America."

No president has departed from this seventh-inning-stretch formula since then with the exception of Bill Clinton in 1999. Facing an impeachment trial in the Senate, Clinton went with this wordy coda: "Let us lift our eyes as one nation, and from the mountaintop of this American Century, look ahead to the next one, asking God's blessing on our endeavors and on our beloved country. Thank you, and good evening."

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Response to unblock (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:38 PM

7. thanks for that

 

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:43 PM

8. Perhaps he's sincere

I can't read his mind, but coming from the man who refused to don a flag pin when intimidated, I can give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he may have deep Christian values that inspire the wish that God may bless America.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:06 AM

10. I agree with you 110%

I almost forgot he refused to don a flagpin when the right griped about it.

Obama's made no secret that he's a Christian with deep Christian beliefs, so I believe he means it when he says it. It's sincere, unlike with Bush OR people like Newtie.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:32 AM

13. There's no reason to suspect he isn't

Obama was a member of a Christian church for a decade before he ever got into politics.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:44 PM

9. When Richard Viguire said it was

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:26 AM

11. When leaders were replaced by hucksters. Sometime, late in '63, I believe. K&R (nt)

 

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:16 AM

14. That's easy: Reagan.

Carter never said it. Nixon never said it. Etc.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:42 PM

23. No one really questioned Carters "Christianity"

he didn't have to prove anything.

I can hear the RW militants and fundies protesting now, should Obama not say such a thing.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 07:32 AM

15. When God's ad-men began making campaign contributions.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:03 AM

16. I don't believe the Republican response ended with that line..

I did not hear Daniels say that and actually was quite surprised..

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:06 AM

17. It's a no-lose proposition.

Case 1: if there *is* a God, perhaps He happens to be listening, and will, indeed, bless America.

Case 2: if there is no God, nothing will happen.

So it seems that the only possible results are positive or neutral. So might as well say it.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:09 AM

19. case 3: we're making Poseidon very angry

see:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_inconsistent_revelations

case 4: there *is* a (Judeo-Christian-Muslim?) god(s), and he/she is actively pissed off at politicians and/or football quarterbacks taking his/her/its name in vain by asking him/her/it to take sides against specific granfalloons and varieties of human nationalism.

see:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager ("Criticism")

case 5: there is no consensus-religion notion of god, and politicians are merely pandering to man's basest instincts, thus the "god bless the US" talk beginning with Reagan is actually a jingoistic slogan intended to distract us from our collective failings as a society.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:11 AM

18. Even as an Atheist, I don't Care Much About That

With the understanding that a black, homosexual women will get elected president in the US before a white, male, atheist does, these are the bits of religious minutia that don't bother me much. They're inevitable in a country that's population self-identifies as 78% Christian.

As a person who was brought up southern Baptist, I still say things like "god damn it!" or use the exclamation "God!" sometime without even being aware of it.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:12 AM

20. My husband always follows God Bless America...

with "...and no one else," which comes from the movie Head of State.


Cracks him up, every time.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:39 PM

22. I hear it all the time from each POTUS, but when Obama says is.....

....I get the distinct impression, it's a bit of a dig back to the "he's a Moslem" crowd.

Now that may just simply be my own paradigm, but there ya go. If I think it, surely someone else is thinking it too. I'm not usually that unique of a thinker.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:44 PM

24. Pandering

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:58 PM

25. It's got the flag worshippers' favorite jackoff words.

God and America.

(unh...unh...unh...unh...)

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