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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:39 PM

2nd Amendment Poll

This poll is not about wether you are for gun control or not, but rather if you support or are against the Second Amendment.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

124 votes, 12 passes | Time left: Unlimited
I support the 2nd Amendment.
85 (69%)
I am against the 2nd Amendment.
39 (31%)
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darkangel218 Jan 2013 OP
Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #1
AndyA Jan 2013 #3
klook Jan 2013 #5
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #6
MNBrewer Jan 2013 #25
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #158
redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #7
Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #9
redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #31
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #8
Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #20
Hoyt Jan 2013 #36
mokawanis Jan 2013 #37
Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #57
MindandSoul Jan 2013 #64
Jamastiene Feb 2013 #167
Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #2
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #4
ReReadConstitution Jan 2013 #118
pkdu Jan 2013 #132
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #134
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #155
samsingh Jan 2013 #147
FourScore Jan 2013 #93
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #10
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #11
Scuba Jan 2013 #12
bossy22 Jan 2013 #14
Scuba Jan 2013 #16
bossy22 Jan 2013 #17
Scuba Jan 2013 #18
samsingh Jan 2013 #22
hack89 Jan 2013 #23
doc03 Jan 2013 #13
arely staircase Jan 2013 #15
99Forever Jan 2013 #19
samsingh Jan 2013 #21
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #24
Myrina Jan 2013 #32
samsingh Jan 2013 #148
MindandSoul Jan 2013 #67
samsingh Jan 2013 #149
-..__... Jan 2013 #26
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #27
samsingh Jan 2013 #146
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #28
Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2013 #29
Chisox08 Jan 2013 #30
baldguy Jan 2013 #42
veganlush Jan 2013 #33
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #34
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #71
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #79
-..__... Jan 2013 #38
Upton Jan 2013 #35
99Forever Jan 2013 #40
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #45
hunter Jan 2013 #56
jmg257 Jan 2013 #58
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #59
jmg257 Jan 2013 #61
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #63
jmg257 Jan 2013 #76
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #78
jmg257 Jan 2013 #84
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #86
jmg257 Jan 2013 #87
99Forever Jan 2013 #74
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #81
-..__... Jan 2013 #41
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #39
Paladin Jan 2013 #43
etherealtruth Jan 2013 #44
MindandSoul Jan 2013 #68
Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #46
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #47
bongbong Jan 2013 #48
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #49
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #111
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #50
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #51
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #73
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #83
jmg257 Jan 2013 #121
PETRUS Jan 2013 #165
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #52
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #53
patrice Jan 2013 #54
jmg257 Jan 2013 #55
FourScore Jan 2013 #92
Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #60
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #62
derby378 Jan 2013 #65
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #66
bowens43 Jan 2013 #69
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #72
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #70
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #75
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #80
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #156
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #163
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #164
jmg257 Jan 2013 #77
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #82
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #85
elleng Jan 2013 #88
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #115
defacto7 Jan 2013 #89
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FourScore Jan 2013 #91
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #94
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Ter Jan 2013 #144
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #145
Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2013 #97
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NeedleCast Jan 2013 #101
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #102
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darkangel218 Jan 2013 #107
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darkangel218 Jan 2013 #109
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #110
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #112
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #114
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #119
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #126
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #129
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #130
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #154
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #116
ReReadConstitution Jan 2013 #120
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #122
Lex Jan 2013 #123
TheProgressive Jan 2013 #124
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #133
FresnoDemocrat Jan 2013 #140
morningfog Jan 2013 #143
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #150
grantcart Jan 2013 #151
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xoom Jan 2013 #157
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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:41 PM

1. I support gun control and the 2nd amendment

strangely I didn't see that option on your survey

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:42 PM

3. Same here. n/t

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:43 PM

5. +26 (n/t)

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:45 PM

6. Gun control is being discussed plenty.

Let's see who are actually pro or against the right to bear arms.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:29 PM

25. What do you mean "the right to bear arms"?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:35 AM

158. None of the Men at the Continental Congress thought

about George Zimmerman, they were thinking about King George .

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:45 PM

7. Agreed

It is unrealistic to imagine we can outlaw all guns in the US. Hunters, farmers and ranchers need to be considered.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:47 PM

9. also police officers and the like

I think that the risks of the job follow them into their personal lives

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:44 PM

31. Plus the number of people helped by an off duty police office is very high.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:10 PM

20. Count me in on your point.

This isn't an either/or issue, as much as certain people on both sides want to frame it as such.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:04 PM

36. Definitely should have been an option.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:06 PM

37. I agree

Imposing gun controls doesn't mean doing away with the 2nd amendment.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:09 PM

57. I'm right with you. N/T

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:17 PM

64. Exactly!

I also support much stronger gun control, but do not want to take ALL guns away.

I also do not like the "interpretation" of the second amendment that leads the gun fanatics to believe they have every right to own any guns (and as many) as they want, and that this will just evolve to include ANY form of even deadlier firearms in the future.

Even the way the poll was worded is not quite conductive to fair answers.

For example, it doesn't quote the WHOLE second amendment, "forgetting" to include the QUALIFYING part of the wording which stats:

"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where is the "well regulated militia" part in that rush for any individual to own any type and any number of guns. . .to do with it as they please?

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:48 PM

167. I voted Pass for that very reason.

Asking for reasonable gun control laws is not against the 2nd Amendment.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:41 PM

2. I support well regulated militias that are necessary for the security of a free state


so does that mean I support the 2nd amendment or not?


I think it means that I am for it but many others will disagree with me.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:43 PM

4. I agree...I support the founders' intent, but now it's a relic

of colonial times and should be treated as such.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:28 PM

118. No, Of Enlightenment Times..

 

.. and Enlightened individuals. And we never had a colony.
Should we change the 1st Ammendment, 4th, 6th - also?
This country is the living proof of the freedom, liberty, prosperity which is unrivaled in the world.
There is no argument against it.
Think for yourself. Wake up.

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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #118)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:58 PM

132. So what limits do YOU agree to " right to bear arms"....

Calibre
Rate of fire
Technology ( laser , emp , latest and newet ever year,...etc)

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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #118)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:07 PM

134. You know of the Third Ammendment?

It's obsolete, isn't it? Or are you afraid of having to quarter troops?

You want an assault riffle? Join the guard. That is consistent with the actual intent based on the writings f the times.

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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:56 AM

155. Wow, such stupidty with only 2 posts...

Wow, the scary thing is you think you're making sense...we WERE a colony, idiot...adios.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:32 AM

147. yes

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:21 PM

93. Exactly! n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:49 PM

10. which 2A, the one before 2008 or the current one?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:51 PM

11. The current one. nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:53 PM

12. I'm in favor of private ownership of firearms, with limitations. Where's that put me?

2A proponents will argue that they can have nukes, cruise missiles and Apache helicopters, cause the 2A sez so!!!

I disagree.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:59 PM

14. I don't really see anyone arguing that

none of those are good for self defense

there is a lot of room in between "nobody needs cruise missles" and pushing a ban on semi-auto long guns.

In fact- cruise missles are considered ordinance, not "arms".

I think most americans would have problems with private citizens having their own ICBMS. I don't think most americans would have a problem with someone owning this for home defense:
http://www.remington.com/~/media/Images/Firearms/Shotguns/Model-870/Model-870-Express-Tactical/870-Express-Tactical-81198-prod.ashx

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:04 PM

16. Then you didn't see the interview with the guy sponsoring the 'gun appreciation day'.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:05 PM

17. to be honest I did not.

If he is saying that than i completely disagree with him. I know the majority of "gunnies" don't feel that way. We are aware there are limits and THERE SHOULD BE.

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:06 PM

18. Here's the link ...

I'm also a gun owner, and no, I don't feel that way. Nor do most gun owners.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101791264

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:15 PM

22. in the smart category

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:25 PM

23. I don't think so

most people understand the definition of "arms". Not playing with straw again, are you?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:53 PM

13. I support the 2nd Amendment but I feel the

2nd Amendment has it's limits the same as the 1st Amendment does.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:02 PM

15. i support all of the bill of rights as well as reasonable restrictions on them

laws against child porn, slander, fighting words, bribery, extortion are all restrictions on the 1st amendment right to free speech, and they are reasonable ones. just as limiting magazine capacity and closing the gun show loophole are reasonable restrictions on the 2nd amendment.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:08 PM

19. Which 2nd Amend?

The actual real Second Amendment as written it the Constitution, in it's entirety, or the NRA modified one?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:15 PM

21. the question is not honest the way it is phrased


the intent and meaning of the 2nd amendment is different than that espouced by the NRA and many current progun people.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:27 PM

24. You got it.

It's like a push poll.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:57 PM

32. +100

Thank you.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:33 AM

148. thanks

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Response to samsingh (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:19 PM

67. I totally agree! Even the wording of this question avoids the REAL issue!

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Response to MindandSoul (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:33 AM

149. it's one of the many plows the nra teaches

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:33 PM

26. Needs to be rewritten to...

 

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".

Does away with any confusion, misconceptions and foolish statements like "the 2nd is an anachronism and has no relevance in a "civilized" society"... "firearms ownership should be limited to what the Founding Fathers intended, and was in use at the time"... "want to own an "assault rifle"? Join the militia"...
etc, etc, ad nauseum.

After that... let the courts decide the limits of "shall not be infringed".

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Response to -..__... (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:37 PM

27. I will correct it to that. Thats is what i meant. Thanks.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:31 AM

146. good luck getting that through. people are much smarter now

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:41 PM

28. Thus far majority has spoken :D

We may be not so loud, but we are here. And so is our right to bear arms!



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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:43 PM

29. That's not the Second Amendment.

But you knew that.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:43 PM

30. You forgot the whole well regulated militia part

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Response to Chisox08 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:11 PM

42. They always do.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:58 PM

33. It's childish and stupid

there have always been plenty of infringements, so "shall not be infringed" are just words. The second amendment is meaningless in the modern world. "well regulated militia" was not put in there just to use up extra ink from the inkwell either, it meant something at one time. As for arms, nuclear arms are arms and would be included if the modern interpretation wasn't so farcical. As for bearing arms uninfringedly, that's another joke. There are plenty of places where no one would want this to apply. There are plenty of places where bearing arms has long been "infringed". Would gun lovers like hannity ever go up onstage in front of an armed crowd? never. The Second Amendment doesn't apply in the modern world, period, this is not an opinion this is fact. The world is round, not flat. Adam and Eve is just a story. Same with Noah's ark. Evolution and climate change are real. The second amendment is fake outside of it's original context, period.

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Response to veganlush (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:00 PM

34. Keep dreaming! nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:23 PM

71. Hopefully we'll wake up from the nightmare

you gun humpers have forced upon the rest of us. For now, I'm glad I'll never have to see your posts again.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:34 PM

79. Good ridance. nt

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Response to veganlush (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:07 PM

38. Now... there's a fresh perspective!

 

Never in a million years would anyone have seen that coming.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:01 PM

35. Interesting results..

what with all the "repeal the 2nd Amendment" and "ban all guns" threads we've seen, one might think the results would be the opposite.

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Response to Upton (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:08 PM

40. Maybe if the Delicate Flower were to post ...

... the actual Second Amendment, it might mean something.

As it is, it's just another steaming NRA pile of excrement.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:59 PM

56. Revolutions are won by ideas, not guns.

Guns just make revolutions bloody.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:10 PM

58. Pssst...you don't have firearms to start a revolution now either. In

THIS country, that's called "treason".

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:13 PM

59. I didnt say start a revolution here. I was only telling what i went through.

You're so good at spinning everything.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:15 PM

61. Spinning?? "they didn't have firearms to start a revolution...". Again, neither do you.

Not much spinning, simple truth.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:17 PM

63. Whatever we have, its better than nothing, in the case of a dictator taking over.

You obviously haven't been in my shoes or know much about the rest of the world. If you did, you'd apreaciate what we have.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:27 PM

76. Which dictator will that be? Anybody special we need to train our sites on?

I very much appreciate what we have. And want my kids to live long lives so they can appreciate it too. Right now I am much more worried about the realities of crazed armed gunmen then I am about some mythical dictator.

Edit: ipad

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:30 PM

78. Do you think East Europe ever dreamed of what happened to them?

You should go google. Anything is possible. We need to KEEP our rights.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:47 PM

84. Let's get the guns under control, and we can keep all the rights we want!

The people decided a long time ago that they were more concerned about the security of the country then they were about being opressed by government of tyranny.

There are other ways to defer tyrants.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #84)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:51 PM

86. Like i said, im all for sensible gun control. nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:57 PM

87. Cheers! nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:25 PM

74. Oh please.

You seriously are going to try and sell me the BULLSHIT that ANY personally held arsenal could stand up to the military of the USA?

That of all the stupid, idiotic crap the NRA tries to peddle, is, by far, the dumbest of all of them.

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Response to Upton (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:11 PM

41. Paid NRA "gun trolls" are skewing the results.

 

I'm also told they frequently do the same thing with alerts/jury decisions.

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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:13 PM

43. You Can Support The 2nd Amendment, But Hate How Fat Tony Scalia Has Interpreted It... (nt)

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:15 PM

44. I am opposed to the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:20 PM

68. Thank you! This is also my stand on this issue.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:16 PM

46. "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State"

it's a bit disingenous to leave that part out.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:30 PM

48. The 2nd Amendment?

 

You normally don't post anything about state militias. Only about Precious. So why are you polling DU about their support for well-regulated militias all of a sudden?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:13 PM

111. +1

For much of American history, the relationship of my people with the U.S. Government has been one of dictator/subject. In some respects it still is, even though things have improved to a degree. Disarm? Not a chance.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:41 PM

51. Go away.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:24 PM

73. Can't take it, huh?

Why don't you go and embrace your precious and leave humanity alone?

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:46 PM

83. You just said youll ignore me.

Lol. Just do it.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:39 PM

121. Wow...u post all this crap about gun rights, but said this??? SCAM ALERT!

"Do I want to give up my privacy rights? Hell no! But that't the prize (sic) we have to pay to be safe"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861#post8

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #50)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:13 AM

165. Huh.

Over the years, I've gotten to know a few dozen people who grew up in the Eastern Bloc, some are current friends. All of them are strongly opposed to domestic surveillance, noting the difficulty of establishing trust and building solidarity under such a regime. Not one of them is preoccupied with RKBA.

The improbability of the OP's position aside, I think this is something Americans who are truly concerned with "freedom" should consider.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:42 PM

52. I support the 2nd Amendment and oppose the NRA .

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:45 PM

54. Qualified support here, so I chose not to answer your poll.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:53 PM

55. Forgot a bit there, but certainly I support securing well regulated Militias.

Not exactly the most effective fighting force, but they do come in handy for reserves, establishing justice and ensuring tranquility, etc.

Any rate, definitely support the right of the people to arm themselves for that purpose, according to guidelines provided by Congress. Too bad the need has been obsoleted.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:20 PM

92. GOOD ANSWER!!!! n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:15 PM

60. Wow, interesting results. Thanks for posting this.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:16 PM

62. I support all of our rights as listed in the Bill of Rights, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and the rest as well

I would no more take away the right to bear arms than I would allow the Government to dispose of freedom of religion, the press, or free speech.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:18 PM

65. Since there's so much debate over the OP, let me try something...

I own an AK-74 (not the AK-47 - larger caliber) with 30-round magazines.

If you're of a mind to leave me alone unless I do something criminal or insane, I'd say that you support my 2A rights.

If, on the other hand, you'd like to see my gun and magazines confiscated, or at least require me to get an NFA permit to own said items, I would say that you do not.

Does that help?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:19 PM

66. I support the 2nd amendment in the context of People having the means/rights to

 

to protect the life/liberty of themselves and families. AKA, self defense.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:21 PM

69. your poll questions are bogus

they should be

'Do you support the bastardized version of the 2nd Amendment touted by the NRA, the gun nuts and death mongers?'

'Do you support the 2nd Amendment as it is in the Constitution, protecting the right to gun ownership only within the construct of a well regulated militia as intended by the founding fathers?'

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:24 PM

72. I hope youre never in the position to need it.

Good luck.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:23 PM

70. That is an incorrect statement.

You forgot the "well regulated militia" part, which is critical to the understanding of the amendment. I do NOT support it as you have written it, for that was NOT the intent. And it's stupid and short sighted.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:27 PM

75. Everyone knows the second amedment.

Do you want me to write it in its entirety? I would assume if someone is a member of DU they would know the Bill of Rights.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:37 PM

80. Do you know the Fourth Amendment?



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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #80)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:25 AM

156. Yes and the "Patriot Act " vaporized it .Thanks again Shrub.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #156)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:59 AM

163. Yep just pointing out that the OP is an obvious troll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861#post1

Gotta read quickly. You can see up thread that they like to erase their bullshit as fast as they can

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #163)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:08 AM

164. Good eye !!!

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:30 PM

77. Only 30000

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:42 PM

82. I am shocked by these results. Guess noise doesn't equal numbers. nt

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #82)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:48 PM

85. Nope, noise indeed doesnt equal numbers.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:17 PM

88. I support the 2nd Amendment as I think the Founders intended it,

and NOT as the Supreme Court has interpreted it.

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Response to elleng (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:21 PM

115. Me, too.

And the SCOTUS got it just right...

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:17 PM

89. This is a totally ambiguous and illogical question as stated.

Post the whole 2nd amendment and maybe there can be a reasoned response. As the OP is stated, it can't be answered.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:19 PM

90. This is a horseshit thread even by gungeon standards.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:19 PM

91. since you cherry-picked the portion of the 2nd Amendment

as if that was all it was about...


This is the stupidest DU poll I've ever seen!

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Response to FourScore (Reply #91)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:24 PM

94. No, it isnt cherry picked. I could say the same about the anti gun mob

But I won't.

The poll is pretty straight forward. For or against our constitutional right to carry and bear arms.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #94)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:39 PM

98. You might want to do some research on the 2nd Amendment.

Here's a good place to start.

Former Chief Justice Warren Burger states:

"The Gun Lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."

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Response to FourScore (Reply #98)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:44 PM

127. right

 

nothing more significant than hunting rifles, or what a patrol officer carries for defense.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:25 PM

95. I voted 'pass'

You did not quote the 2nd Amendment in its entirety and
that is a big problem.

One poll option I would prefer is:

"I support the 2nd Amendment if it is interpreted as the founders wanted'.

To me this means, 'You have to be a member of a well regulated State Militia to keep and bear arms'.


Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:29 PM

96. I.assumed everyone knows it.

If its such a big deal ill rephrase.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:15 PM

113. If that is what the founders wanted, why didn't they write it that way?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the milita to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Seems much less ambiguous.

No, they meant what they wrote, "the people".

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Response to pipoman (Reply #113)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:27 PM

117. As usual, the Founders used the correct phraseology...

Only 'people' can 'keep and bear' arms - a militia cannot. People make up a militia.

And most importantly, the 2nd Amendment is a 'legal conditional statement'...meaning
that both components must be true. First, a well regulated State militia is permitted, and
two, people who belong to the State militia can keep and bear arms.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #117)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:43 PM

125. Seems this horse has already left the gate

even the President says he doesn't believe this. The founders knew that all of the people's guns were used in the revolution. They meant the people, just as they wrote it, at any time, any of "the people" can join the militia. If a gun owner isn't able, someone who is able and doesn't have a gun can use theirs. Further, they didn't require non-militia to turn in their guns in their own time...if their intent was to only allow militia to have guns, why didn't they do this? But congrats, you're the first to even attempt to answer that question..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #125)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:47 PM

128. The President said that too? Really? Show me the link please....!

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #128)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:56 PM

131. ..

"I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_social_policy

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Response to pipoman (Reply #131)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:11 PM

135. Two things

1. Wikepedia is not *ever* credible

and

2. The quote (true or not true) does not support the statement the poster claimed..

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #135)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:18 PM

136. Yes, it is an accurate quote

and it absolutely supports an "individual right" as opposed to a collective right, which is the laid-to-rest argument that gun ownership is reserved for the militia.

"Obama agrees to an individual's right to bear arms, in principle, but does not take it as an absolute right and considers it as a negotiable subject."

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Obama/Gun-Control.php

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Response to pipoman (Reply #136)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:32 PM

137. But please remember...

...independent of Obama's real or made up quotes, the 2nd Amendment is
a conditional compound statement with both conditions are to be true.

To paraphrase what another poster said trying to defend the 2nd amendment and the individual
right to keep and bear arms --> "if the Founders meant that people have the right to keep and bear arms', that
would all the 2nd amendment would have to say. But, no. It *requires* a well regulated militia.

Compare:

Amendment II (as written by our Founders)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



And Not

Amendment II (as how the NRA thinks it reads)

"People have the right to keep and bear arms".

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #137)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:46 PM

138. And I simply have never seen any

quotations in the federalist papers, nor the anti-federalist papers which supports such a thing. Frankly, I believe the founders believed the people should be allowed arms equivalent to those of a military..the state. Not all munitions but arms..indiscriminate weapons excluded..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:53 PM

139. You can *think* what you want however

when it comes to the Constitution, it is what our Founders wanted.

It seems you arguments have disintegrated.

And I think we all will benefit from a gun safer America...

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:03 AM

141. What I think

is based on my reading of the founders thoughts..anyone can do it...many areas of the constitution are better understood by reading these and these

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Response to pipoman (Reply #141)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:11 AM

142. It must be difficult for you...

to finally learn what the 2nd Amendment is really all about. Hang in there - ok?

I think DU should have a thread on 'what we think should be done to make America gun safer'?

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #142)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:07 AM

152. I started one such thread a few weeks ago..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022063309

I've understood for a very long time, and it isn't "But, no. It *requires* a well regulated militia." Please direct me to any SCOTUS decision or even any passage in the Federalist or Anti Federalist papers which says anything even close to this complete fabrication.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #95)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:19 AM

144. "The right of the people" part is where I take it to mean personal rights to own

 

IMO, if they just meant the state militias, then adding that part wouldn't be necessary.

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Response to Ter (Reply #144)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:25 AM

145. Then, why did they put in the 'militia' part at all?

Ter, if the Founders meant just the people, why did they just write the 2nd as
'it is the right of the people to keep and bear arms'. But they did not...

Here is what they codified:

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:35 PM

97. I'd bet a lot of $ all of the "in favors" have been a member of POF as of today nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:44 PM

100. What's POF?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:43 PM

99. I support the 2nd amendment, but the gun freaks have it all wrong.

I have no support for their concept that every individual has the right to possess any weapon desired.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:44 PM

101. I support the 2nd Amendment

but your question is poorly stated, as are the options on your poll.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:51 PM

104. Is this a well-regulated melitia?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"


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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #104)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:53 PM

105. You already votted against. nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #105)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:56 PM

106. SO what's your point? U mad Bro??

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #106)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:59 PM

107. Haha! How funny

Not.
Like I would care what your stance is on this poll. I already knew.

And BTW, I'm a female, "bro".

C ya!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #107)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:01 PM

108. SO you still mad bro?




Why do you give a shit what my opinion is in the poll? You marking those of us who voted against the 2nd Amendment? I tend to not believe you are who you say you are BRO.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:08 PM

109. I dont care what your opinion is. You asked questions after already votting.

That was my point.

Keep posting your cartoons, Mr Dain lol.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #109)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:11 PM

110. I made a point bro

The 2nd is bullshit and doesn't apply in the 21st century. It's like an amendment requiring men to wear white wigs to work.....



Have a nice evening bro....

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:19 PM

114. BUT?

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:32 PM

119. Locked out of their own push poll thread. ROTFLMAO nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:44 PM

126. Question?

If you are 'alerted' and your post is hidden - are you really locked out of the thread?

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #126)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:50 PM

129. Yes, when you have a post hidden you are no longer able to post in that thread

as well as being unable to post in that entire forum (in this case, General Discussion) for the next hour.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #129)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:53 PM

130. Oh, wow! thank you for this info...

I don't plan on writing anything that is 'alert-able' but I guess
that is up to my fellow DUer!

Thanks again...!

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #110)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:44 AM

154. ALL of the Constitution still is the Law.

Even the parts you don't like.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:26 PM

116. You are too funny.

I voted against just cause I knew that is the opposite of what you want. The second current 2A interpretation is crap. Oh and I love the 2A people that think they can take on the US government with their pea shooters. We all know how that ends when a group of people get it in their heads to take on the US government.

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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:40 PM

122. Are you serious????

Why do I think it is a travesty that the US is the most armed nation in the world. That more than 10,000 people a year are murdered by guns another 30,000 commit suicide with guns. And we have gun nuts that think they can take on the US government with their pea shooters. Yes, when you face our government it won't matter what kind of gun you have. Apparently you have never heard of drones, so whatcha goin to do bad boy. Shoot the drone out of the sky? Then what are you going to do if you are face to face with the ATF. Do you really think you are going to take them on. Now, tell me why anyone would need an assault rifle. To stop a home invasion please if you are run over by a gang kiss your butt goodbye because even a gang could be more armed than you are. Seriously you are twisted dude.

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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:42 PM

123. Your guns are pea shooters against the US Military. How are they going to protect you

against the force of the United States?

That's just plain delusional.



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Response to ReReadConstitution (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:42 PM

124. Can I be the first to post...



<that popcorn eating face thingy>

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:01 PM

133. Other...I support it as originally intended

That includes militias and the social contract of drill...

I support the second as has been interpreted for most of history. This individual rights crapola started in the 1980s.

Complex and shady enough?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:00 AM

140. Of course I support Amendment II.

The question is, does "supporting Amendment II" necessarily mean "kneejerk opposition to any and all forms of gun control, preferably while screaming about Nazi Germany", as the Tea Partiers would have you believe?

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:15 AM

143. I support it as long as it is an Amendment. However, like all other Amendments, it

is subject to limitations. I think it should be subject to more limitations than it currently is. Much more stringent limits. Gun regulation is public safety.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:38 AM

150. It's archaic, unnecessary, and downright stupid. Get rid of it.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:39 AM

151. I support each state's national guard.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:25 AM

153. Anachronism.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:34 AM

157. I support the second amendment.

 

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Response to xoom (Reply #157)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:36 AM

159. I support All Amendments .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #159)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:40 AM

160. As do I.

 

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Response to xoom (Reply #160)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:50 AM

161. Cool .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #161)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:53 AM

162. Sweet .

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:53 PM

166. VERY interesting results.

 

I'd vote but I don't want to get put on anyone's ban list

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:52 AM

168. I fully support the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. (nt)

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