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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:43 PM

Greeks Stand Up to Protect Their Water From Privatization


from OnTheCommons.org:


Greeks Stand Up to Protect Their Water From Privatization
As foreign investors eye their public utilities, water workers scramble to create cooperatives

By Daniel Moss


Greece knows a thing or two about democracy. And as an increasingly arid nation, good water management is fundamental to its future, both political and physical. The recent financial crisis hasn’t only tested Greek democracy, but its water as well.

“You can tell if a society is democratic if its water is available to everyone, if it’s clean, and in public hands.” That’s how Kostas Marioglou sees it. When he’s not distributing water meters and pipes from a warehouse as with his job at EYATH ( Thessaloniki’s State Water Utility) he is a union leader and organizer for Initiative 136, a citizen’s initiative to buy the water utility from the Greek government.

Greece is under enormous pressure to privatize its water system. As the country drowns in debt, the European Commission, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank (often referred to as the “troika”) work with eager Greek political parties to balance the books by selling off public water. Greece wouldn’t be the first place to privatize public water utilities during a fiscal crisis. Conditioning loans based on full or partial water privatization is an increasingly common practice of international lenders – and much criticized.

“Although the people’s message after two elections (6th of May and 17th of June) was clearly that of renegotiating the debt and the measures imposed by the Troika”, said Theodoros Karyotis, a member of Initiative 136, “the new government continues to apply the Troika program.” .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://onthecommons.org/magazine/greeks-stand-protect-their-water-privatization



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marmar Jan 2013 OP
leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #1
gollygee Jan 2013 #2
Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #3
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #4
gollygee Jan 2013 #7
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #11
gollygee Jan 2013 #13
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #14
WillyT Jan 2013 #5
Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #6
xchrom Jan 2013 #8
leftstreet Jan 2013 #9
dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #10
octoberlib Jan 2013 #12
ReRe Jan 2013 #15
mountain grammy Jan 2013 #16
ReRe Jan 2013 #17
mountain grammy Jan 2013 #18
ReRe Jan 2013 #20
mountain grammy Jan 2013 #21
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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:47 PM

1. sell your water sell your life

 

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:47 PM

2. Next they'll privatize air

and make people wear meters to measure how much they breathe.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:50 PM

3. Water should never be privatized.

These global shark banks need to be stopped -- that is the main problem.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:50 PM

4. UK's water was privatised years ago

Has made no noticeable difference.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:57 PM

7. Ah yes, Margaret Thatcher

http://www.psiru.org/reports/2001-02-W-UK-over.doc

.. . Price changes
The universal experience of water privatisation in the UK was a sharp increase in the cost of water. On average, prices rose by over 50% in the first 4 years. The first 9 years produced an increase of 46% in real terms, adjusted for inflation. The details are shown in the table below.


Can't copy the table but it's in there.

It's a way of getting more money from the public into the hands of corporations.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:20 PM

11. That was 1989.

By 1997 New Labour were in power. And what happened to correct that ? SFA.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:07 PM

13. Once stuff is privatized and corporations have gotten hold of it

it's very hard to get it back.

Which is why the Greek are very wise to fight this.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:25 PM

14. The utilities were privately owned before they were nationalised

To renationalise them would require an act of parliament and the funds to do so.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:51 PM

5. HUGE K & R !!!




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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:52 PM

6. K & R. nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:13 PM

8. Du rec. Nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:23 PM

9. DURec

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:16 PM

10. Might prove to be a bit difficult

Last year's bailouts , which were largely used to repay earlier debt which was covered by Greek law , are by covered International / English law which means they are secured against state assets.

Aside from that there are different degrees of privatisation :

Broadly speaking, there are two forms of private sector participation in water supply and sanitation. In a full privatization, assets are permanently sold to a private investor. In a public-private partnership, ownership of assets remains public and only certain functions are delegated to a private company for a specific period. Full privatization of water supply and sanitation is an exception today, being limited to England, Chile and some cities in the United States. Public-private partnerships (PPPs) are the most common form of private sector participation in water supply and sanitation today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:24 PM

12. There's a good documentary on water privatization called Blue Gold

Water is a commodity now and it's getting scarcer and scarcer. I was shocked to learn that quite a few US cities have sold their water rights to British and French corporations. Stupidest thing ever.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:32 PM

15. Well.... we've been hearing for years...

...that this was going to be our wars of the future. It's a step in Shock Doctrine. i.e. disaster capitalism. (Naomi Klein, author) We need to put a permanent cap on this corporate privatization drive on everything in sight and unseen (like air). We need to get universal health care, once and for all. It is a crime against humanity, my opinion, to place our lives in the hands of private corporate insurance companies.
It's criminal, I tell you!!!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:58 PM

16. Any time the issue of privatizing public works comes up, I refer to the "Shock Doctrine"

It's become my bible for understanding what is really happening in the world.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:09 PM

17. "Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Naomi Klein

That's right mountain grammy. I've never been the same since reading that book. I have two copies of it (paperbacks) and tried to give one away on here one time...no takers. Figure that out...cause I'm not even going to try. I read it once, all the way through and have sworn that I would read it again... you know how you miss something the first time through? But I have so many other books to read! Don't need to read it again, as I got it the the first time. This one book tells the result of Milton Freidman's Chicago big business ideas. Don't get me going...

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Response to ReRe (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:47 AM

18. That book changed me too, ReRe. Made me look at things from a whole new point of view.

Another one is "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet. Oh the webs we weave.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:56 AM

20. I have "The Family" right here...

...by me on my bookshelf but have never read it. Since you recommend it, will start in on it. I didn't read it yet, as I'm simply sick of that kind of religion. I don't know if there's anything in there that I don't already know. But I promise, for you, mountain grammy, I will start in on it tomorrow.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:26 AM

21. Believe me, it's a shocker, just like the "Shock Doctrine"

it will give you some real insight into what's really going on here and everywhere else. "Jesus plus nothing." I often wonder if my president has read either one. He sure is a "free market" man, but do think he believes in separation of church and state.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:13 PM

22. As for PO's.....

...religious beliefs? He says he's a Christian and I believe him. If I thought he would read these books, I might try to find First Ed HB copies for him. But I doubt he would ever lay eyes on them. We need to start calling them "companion" books.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:50 AM

19. kr

 

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