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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:35 PM

Booze Control,... vs Gun Control..something to drink about..

Consider this


Booze Makers are not against all drivers having a license...with a photo...gun nuts are against photo identification.
Booze Makers are not against age limits to use their products, gun nuts are
Booze Makers often advertise.."got a problem call..."...........gun nuts never advertise that
Gun Nuts desire no control over their product..Booze Makers do not mind strict control....
Booze Makers do not mind paying an extra tax on their product. gun nuts want to pay no extra tax.
Booze Makers and sellers will not sell to all..some places require ids for those that look over 25...gun nuts want ulimited sales.

enough?

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Reply Booze Control,... vs Gun Control..something to drink about.. (Original post)
Stuart G Jan 2013 OP
Recursion Jan 2013 #1
hack89 Jan 2013 #2
Bandit Jan 2013 #3
hack89 Jan 2013 #6
Stuart G Jan 2013 #8
hack89 Jan 2013 #9
Bandit Jan 2013 #12
hack89 Jan 2013 #14
jmg257 Jan 2013 #4
Erose999 Jan 2013 #5
regjoe Jan 2013 #11
DanTex Jan 2013 #13
regjoe Jan 2013 #15
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #7
hack89 Jan 2013 #10
Stuart G Jan 2013 #16
hack89 Jan 2013 #17

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:41 PM

1. There's currently a Federal excise tax on all gun and ammo purchases of 11%

It goes to wetlands conservation.

Booze Makers are not against age limits to use their products, gun nuts are

Is somebody trying to overturn the age limits on buying guns? I haven't heard of that.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:47 PM

2. Not familiar with the Federal Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET)?

(c) Rates of tax.

Tax is imposed on the sale of the articles specified in section 4181 of the Code at the rates indicated below.

(1) Pistols 10%
(2) Revolvers 10%
(3) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers) 11%
(4) Shells and cartridges 11%

(d) Computation of tax. The tax is computed by applying to the price for which the article is sold the applicable rate. For definition of the term “price” see section 4216 of the Code and the regulations contained in subpart J of this part.


http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=b992f275c75ef9284ddf439ce4e2b56a&rgn=div8&view=text&node=27:2.0.1.2.6.5.169.1&idno=27

http://www.ttb.gov/firearms/background.shtml

There are strict age limits on gun purchases. Additionally, most states have laws regarding that strictly regulate the use of guns by minors.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:19 PM

3. Ordinary people can not sell booze without a license to sell

Ordinary people can sell as many guns as they please and require no background checks..

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Response to Bandit (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:26 PM

6. That is not true

private citizens call sell the occasional gun but they cannot do it for a living nor can can they derive a significant portion of their income from such sales. That makes them gun dealers and they must be licensed by the federal government.


Q: What does “engaged in the business” mean?

The term “engaged in the business,” as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html#business-definition

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Response to hack89 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:39 PM

8. Yes...of course..and how is this enforced? by whom? and when?

Usually after a gun is used illegally..very rarely before. It is nice indeed to quote the law..but enforcement, when where and how is the real question...for example..Near me is an expressway..and the speed limit is 55. So most 65..or near 70.. 55 is not enforced.
At gun fairs, are the above laws enforced, and by whom and when?..Yet, selling booze is often checked by sellers. A clerk can ask for a photo ID from someone who looks underage. by law..Gun sales at gun shows are clearly not closely regulated by anyone..

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:46 PM

9. There is a strong ATF and police presence at every gun show

what easier way for law enforcement to keep track of gun sellers? Secondly, those gun dealers who have gone through the hassle and cost of getting a license take a dim view of those that sell illegally - they will drop a dime on them in a heartbeat.

And finally, many gun shows simply restrict themselves to licensed dealers.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:01 PM

12. Yes you are correct but one can not sell even one beer without a license

If I own ten guns and want to sell them, I can, and I don't have to do any background checks and it is all legal..

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Response to Bandit (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:05 PM

14. Not in my state - all private sales require a background check

it is an easy problem to fix.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:23 PM

4. "Booze Makers" does not correlate well with "gun nuts"

It would correlate, possibly, with "gun makers".

Rethink this one - please.


BTW - how do you know booze makers aren't against all these things?

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:24 PM

5. Booze is also banned in some areas. Dry counties where, ironically enough, a lot of gun nuts live

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:54 PM

11. As are guns

 

Gun free zones where, ironically enough, most gun deaths occur.

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Response to regjoe (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:05 PM

13. Actually, most gun deaths occur in states with high gun ownership and lax gun laws.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:04 PM

15. Where at in those states?

 

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:34 PM

7. I've never had to have the store clerk call in a for a Fed background check to buy a 6-pack... (nt)

 

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:47 PM

10. I have never seen anyone lose the legal right to purchase booze. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:18 PM

16. Oh yes...loosing the legal right to purchase a gun. Very effective.

And going to a gun show and purchasing a gun anyway. Much easier they say, then getting a legal abortion in some states.

.. Buying a gun at a gun show doesn't require a "legal right" just money. What is the purpose of that "gun" that killed those kids?
To improve that person's life?

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:34 PM

17. I don't think you understand how gun shows work

most of the sellers are dealers and therefore background checks are required. In many locations, local laws require that all gun show sales require background checks.

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