Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:08 AM
bigtree (49,214 posts)
BREAKING: Anti-Gay Pastor Removed From Inaugural ProgramLast edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:36 AM USA/ET - Edit history (5)
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ThinkProgress @thinkprogress BREAKING: Anti-gay pastor removed from inaugural program http://thkpr.gs/WSBcW2 Louis Giglio, the anti-LGBT pastor who had been announced to perform the benediction at President Obama’s second inauguration, has been removed from the program, ABC News’s Jonathan Karl reported Thursday. The move came after ThinkProgress reported Wednesday that in the 1990s, Giglio had given a lengthy sermon in which he advocated for dangerous “ex-gay” therapy for gay and lesbian people, referenced a biblical passage often interpreted to require gay people be executed, and impelled Christians to “firmly respond to the aggressive agenda” and prevent the “homosexual lifestyle” from becoming accepted in society read more: https://twitter.com/jonkarl/statuses/289400247824830465 Update: CNN’s Eric Marrapodi is reporting that Giglio voluntarily withdrew from the program. (In D.C. parlance, that can still be interpreted as a WH takedown)
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:11 AM
warrior1 (9,225 posts)
1. awesome
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They should have an humanist speak. The POTUS mother was one.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
Brickbat (14,359 posts)
2. Excellent.
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Progress. Now how about we don't have a prayer at all?
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:14 AM
Rose Siding (29,855 posts)
3. YAY!!!!!! I was HOPING for that!
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It's almost better than never announcing him in the first place as it exposes his bigotry more broadly.
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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #3)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:54 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
111. I hear that! nm
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:15 AM
alcibiades_mystery (28,385 posts)
4. Good...this was a horrendous mistake by the inauguration planners (and Obama if he signed off on it)
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So I'm glad to see it corrected with dispatch.
And kudos to the progressives and activists who brought this asshole's nonsense to public attention. |
Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #4)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:19 AM
democrattotheend (7,442 posts)
8. I am guessing they might not have known about the anti-gay statements
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Given how quickly he was withdrawn once it was exposed. I am guessing it was a vetting oversight.
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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:48 AM
dbackjon (3,493 posts)
26. Only an idiot or someone that doesn't think LGBT issues are important
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Would have not known.
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Response to dbackjon (Reply #26)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:01 PM
SpartanDem (4,406 posts)
29. You think they knew about mid a 90's video, being sold from random Christian website?
Response to SpartanDem (Reply #29)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:03 PM
dbackjon (3,493 posts)
30. They didn't care enough to use the Google
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A simple google search when the name was announced showed me this guy was an anti-gay bigot.
THat should have been the end of it. |
Response to SpartanDem (Reply #29)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:59 PM
sabrina 1 (34,030 posts)
91. They know about Google don't they? Now where are all those who were defending this
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yesterday? Amazing to see those defenses here on DU. I hope from now on when something is clearly wrong they don't wait to be told it is wrong. This sheep-like willingness to accept just about anything so long as it comes from 'our team' is what is destroying this country.
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #91)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:12 PM
kurtzapril4 (1,259 posts)
92. People here actually defended the choice?
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There really are some deluded people here, then.
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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #92)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
sabrina 1 (34,030 posts)
109. Yes, they did. I responded to one who stated that they 'didn't care about his past statements
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We do have people who will support anything they believe is approved of by this administration. I used to think the Left had the ability to tell right from wrong unlike the Right during the Bush years who also were willing to accept any violation of rights so long as it came from their 'team'.
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Response to dbackjon (Reply #26)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:23 PM
NBachers (3,687 posts)
44. I didn't know. Guess that makes me an idiot.
Response to NBachers (Reply #44)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
dbackjon (3,493 posts)
54. Are you picking speakers for the inaguartion?
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Would you have done due diligence?
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Response to dbackjon (Reply #26)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:28 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
47. Never heard of the guy, and I spent 12 years working affirmative action programs
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Way to keep your friends, dbackjon.
How about: "Thanks for rectifying the human error as soon as it was pointed out to you, Inaugural planners"? |
Response to Hekate (Reply #47)
dbackjon This message was hidden by Jury decision.
Response to dbackjon (Reply #56)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
63. "Massa"? Fear of "execution next time"?
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Someone's got some issues.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #63)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:57 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
112. You got that right.
Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:12 PM
dotymed (4,387 posts)
71. You are more optimistic than I am.
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Remember the pastor at Obama's first swearing in? Very anti-gay puke. His shit was well known...
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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
Maven (7,760 posts)
77. After Rick Warren, they should have made it their business to find out
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Anyway, good riddance
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Response to Maven (Reply #77)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:52 PM
gollygee (12,318 posts)
87. Yeah, I'm really surprised they'd make this mistake twice
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It leads me to believe
a) it isn't a mistake and they aren't that concerned about this b) it's a blind spot for them so they are repeatedly not thinking about it. |
Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:50 AM
Ms. Toad (8,983 posts)
137. Like this one 4 years ago???
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Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:52 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Rick Warren
There are some things that man is a slow learner about. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:16 AM
MineralMan (53,791 posts)
5. Good.
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Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Since the National Cathedral has announced that same-sex marriages will be performed there, perhaps the dean of that Episcopal church could give the benediction, if a benediction is needed.
For myself, I'd prefer no prayers at all at the inauguration, but I don't imagine that will happen. |
Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:28 AM
RKP5637 (25,585 posts)
17. Agree!!! I get tired of the interjection of religion into sooo many things. n/t
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:20 AM
Lex (32,215 posts)
9. This should've happened when well-known homophobe Rick Warren was chosen
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to give the benediction in Obama's first inauguration. That was disgusting and wrong-headed and people here at DU defended the Rick Warren choice at the time.
Looks like the Obama Admin was poised to make the same mistake twice, but someone intervened, thank goodness. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:20 AM
TwilightGardener (39,679 posts)
10. I don't know why they keep going for these evangelical types. Just get some
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stodgy old Episcopalian.
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:22 AM
MineralMan (53,791 posts)
12. The Dean of the Washington National Cathedral would be
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a good choice. He just announced that same-sex marriages will be performed in that venue.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:24 AM
TwilightGardener (39,679 posts)
13. Sounds good to me. Nutty firebrands need not apply.
Response to MineralMan (Reply #12)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:02 PM
ReRe (2,847 posts)
115. Bingo...
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... perfect choice you mention from the National Cathedral!
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
RKP5637 (25,585 posts)
19. +1, n/t
Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:39 AM
Myrina (8,913 posts)
23. Or how about a Pagan?
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Or better yet, a non-denominational ... person.
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Response to Myrina (Reply #23)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:39 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
51. LOL. I don't think the country is ready for Starhawk up there. Native American might go over better.
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She's pretty inspirational, though.
Wow, you set my mind to working. Any decent priest/ess could whip up a gorgeous and fitting ritual for the occasion. In our dreams. |
Response to Myrina (Reply #23)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:16 PM
Moonwalk (1,241 posts)
93. They already have non-demoninational in Myrlie Evers-Williams...
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...she's not any kind of pastor but is, I believe, going to offer up a prayer.
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Response to Myrina (Reply #23)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:54 PM
hopemountain (245 posts)
132. how about an american indian
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traditional healer?
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:48 AM
MgtPA (701 posts)
25. Why does it have to be a "pastor"? How about a nun?
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I nominate Sister Simone Campbell (from Nuns on the Bus)
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Response to MgtPA (Reply #25)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:59 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
114. That's an Awesome Idea!
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Why the heck not!
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Response to Cha (Reply #114)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:10 AM
Kurovski (33,249 posts)
139. I dunno...I'd like to see an old-fashioned stoning.
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Kidding...I'm kidding. This stew needed a little pepper. |
Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:04 PM
WorseBeforeBetter (7,655 posts)
31. Ha. Or a not-so-stodgy lesbian pastor...
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from one of the most progressive churches I've ever set foot in: Pullen Memorial Baptist Church in Raleigh, NC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullen_Memorial_Baptist_Church If there *must* be religion, that is. Thrilled to see the smarmy mega-preacher has been given the ol' heave-ho, but perplexed as to why, AGAIN, someone of his ilk was chosen in the first place. |
Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:07 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
34. Or John Spong or Jim Wallis
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #34)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:16 PM
WorseBeforeBetter (7,655 posts)
41. Or Bishop Eugene Robinson.
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Why a homophobic mega-preacher was chosen YET AGAIN is somewhat baffling, but I'm thrilled to see he won't be part of the festivities...
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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #41)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:18 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
42. Yes, the AGAIN part is what gets me
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I am just appalled they did this. I don't care that he's been dropped -- it never should have reached the point where he was approved.
Robinson is another good choice. |
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #42)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:26 PM
Moonwalk (1,241 posts)
101. Agree entirely. I like Obama a lot as a president, but I will never forgive him for Rick Warren
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...As for this, all I can say is that he really needs to fire those doing the research work for him. Time and again such announcements are made and then retracted because something is found out which ought to have been found out before it was announced. As Obama and his administration has seen the light (sic) and is no longer trying to make friends with the crazy homophobic right-wing, and has, in fact, come out of the closet in support of gay rights, this sort of over-sight is really inexcusable.
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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #34)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:57 PM
We People (554 posts)
113. Here's a recent thread in support of Jim Wallis, an activist for Social Justice, who knows The Pres
Response to We People (Reply #113)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
116. I said during the DNC Con he should have been chosen
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For the benediction.
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #10)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:34 PM
wryter2000 (33,494 posts)
105. LOL
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How about the head of the Episcopal Church, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts-Schori?
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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #105)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:42 PM
TwilightGardener (39,679 posts)
106. I can't help but see Episcopalians as basically Catholics without the flair for
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drama and stagecraft.
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #106)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:48 PM
wryter2000 (33,494 posts)
107. The way i see it
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We're like the Catholic church without the bad parts. We have all the same bells and whistles in the service.
However, we are God's frozen people when it comes to personal drama. Stodgy isn't a bad word. |
Response to wryter2000 (Reply #107)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
secondvariety (482 posts)
127. Isn't it
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the Episcopal Church that does Evensong? I use to go just to hear the music-so beautiful.
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Response to secondvariety (Reply #127)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:59 PM
wryter2000 (33,494 posts)
143. Yes. We also do Compline
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The music at my church is magnificent.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:22 AM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
11. Political pressure WORKS.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:24 AM
TDale313 (1,310 posts)
14. Good news.
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Very glad to hear it.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:26 AM
RKP5637 (25,585 posts)
15. K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! n/t
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:27 AM
LibertyLover (4,127 posts)
16. That is good news -
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As several people have stated, I would be happy if god talk were not part of the inaugural, but I know that's not going to happen any time soon. If we have to have a prayer, I say go with someone from the National Cathedral, but they seem to want someone not connected to DC. All I ask is that whomever is chosen is, at a minimum, in favor of marriage equality.
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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #16)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:30 AM
RKP5637 (25,585 posts)
21. Yep, some neutral party that's not out to sharpen their sword. n/t
Response to LibertyLover (Reply #16)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:05 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
117. Yeah,
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"god talk" is not my talk.. but, I don't really care if others want it/need it/whatever.. just let it be someone who is really about the teachings of Christ. Not some damn Orwellian snake oil bigot.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
Spazito (26,463 posts)
18. Excellent news...
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I admit I was VERY disappointed he was chosen once I read of his homophobic views. I don't understand why some background research isn't done on anyone being considered for a prominent role in an inauguration ceremony, had it been done this homophobe would never have been asked in the first place, imo.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
Politicub (5,840 posts)
20. Forward!!
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Now fire the douche who invited this clown in the first place.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:47 AM
dbackjon (3,493 posts)
24. Great work to Call the White House on their lack of concern for the LGBT community
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Without the outcry, he would still be on the program.
Either the White House is clueless, or didn't care enough to check his record. |
Response to dbackjon (Reply #24)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:55 AM
democrattotheend (7,442 posts)
28. On the plus side, when people complained they listened
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I see this as a positive thing, one that shows that the president is still sometimes responsive to the base even though he doesn't have to run for reelection.
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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #28)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:11 PM
WorseBeforeBetter (7,655 posts)
37. And thanks to the ProfessionalLeftistMedia...
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for doing its homework, yet again.
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Response to dbackjon (Reply #24)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:04 PM
KittyWampus (42,502 posts)
32. Oh please, a mistake was made and corrected. Frankly, your comment about
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Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the "lack of concern" is totally off base considering the steps forward that have been taken.
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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #32)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
Bluenorthwest (24,102 posts)
58. It was not a mistake, it was an overbooking. If Hagel was not sucking up all the energy needed
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to defend his homophobic diatribes they would have kept him. Note, if you will, that he uses the same Hagel 'it was 14 years ago' line, but also note that he does not apologize even in the Hagel strained sort of way. Giglio says he is dropping out by choice because the gay agenda would upstage his message by publicizing his actual message. He uses the word 'agenda' and the Hagel 'so long ago' excuse but having read his letter, I will give Hagel a bit of credit for at least mouthing an apology. This guy blamed the very people he attacks for a living.
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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #32)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
dbackjon (3,493 posts)
59. Your lack of concern for my equality is noted
Response to dbackjon (Reply #59)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:18 PM
KittyWampus (42,502 posts)
94. Your inability to acknowledge how much this Administration has done to secure
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your equality is also noted.
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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #94)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:55 AM
MNBrewer (5,596 posts)
140. We GLBT citizens are the ones who have done the work
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Not this Administration. They responded to OUR request, to OUR work, to OUR demands. They would do nothing if not for OUR work.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:05 PM
JEB (596 posts)
33. Let's be done with
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bigots.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:07 PM
grahamhgreen (9,785 posts)
35. My jaw has dropped wide open! (And not for what you think!) change! WooHoo!
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:12 PM
Ikonoklast (21,620 posts)
38. People that are bigots and spew hate need to be shunned by all of society.
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GOOD.
Take your backwards 'religion' of intolerance, hatred, and exclusion and stick it. paL. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:13 PM
FreeState (7,431 posts)
39. Great news! N/R
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:15 PM
MADem (85,878 posts)
40. So...he jumped before he was pushed? Very classy of WH to offer him the opportunity to
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"withdraw" rather than putting a boot in his behind.
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Response to MADem (Reply #40)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:35 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
49. I think they learned from the first go-round, which is good.
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This looks like a human error on the part of the Inaugural planners, and they rectified it pretty quickly when it was pointed out to them.
I wonder if they keep trying for someone who is madly popular with the Evangelicals, but haven't quite figured out how to find a charismatic preacher who also isn't obnoxious to liberals? That said, how about that nice Episcopal priest at the National Cathedral? LOL, what with the gay poet and all, that should make a few heads spin. Hekate |
Response to Hekate (Reply #49)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:38 PM
MADem (85,878 posts)
50. Heck, let a NASCAR driver do the benediction--that'll appeal to the GOP and keep them out of
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Evangelical hot water!
Instead of "In Jesus' name we pray" he can fire it up with "Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines!" It'd be different, anyway! |
Response to Hekate (Reply #49)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:39 PM
KittyWampus (42,502 posts)
53. I'd say how about a nice Unitarian.
Response to KittyWampus (Reply #53)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:45 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
61. UU always works for my family. Talk about a rational, intelligent, yet warm community...
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Very liberal, into social justice. You can tell I've been there.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #61)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:15 PM
Brainstormy (229 posts)
73. Have always like the UUs since
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I heard the joke, twenty years ago, about them burning question marks into people's yards.
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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #73)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:19 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
75. That's them all right!
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Or us, I should say. I'm kind of lapsed. Though, frankly, you have to try pretty hard to lapse from the UU.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:19 PM
lunatica (28,837 posts)
43. OMG!
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This is the greatest news!!
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:26 PM
Sheldon Cooper (961 posts)
45. Good.
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This restores my confidence in Obama and his team.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:26 PM
DCBob (14,751 posts)
46. good.
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they simply made a mistake and its now corrected.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:29 PM
Starry Messenger (21,441 posts)
48. Excellent.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:39 PM
yardwork (37,074 posts)
52. Good. I'm glad that they responded quickly to this mistake.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
55. Just a suggestion: How about we all say "Thanks for listening, it's nice to be heard"?
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You know, the old positive reinforcement thing. Every so often even a president and team need an Attaboy.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #55)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:18 PM
kurtzapril4 (1,259 posts)
95. Do you really think
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the administration cares that we say thank you?
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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #95)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:23 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
98. Do you really think the admin cares when we scream at them?
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It goes both ways, you know.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #98)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:13 PM
kurtzapril4 (1,259 posts)
144. They don't care either way. n/t
Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #95)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:31 PM
jberryhill (29,848 posts)
104. Being polite to others is about oneself
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
SCVDem (797 posts)
57. I have a dream
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That one day, one of these stories will be the last.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:45 PM
barbtries (15,008 posts)
60. i thought it was going to be
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Myrlie Evers-Williams?
i may be betraying my ignorance here but i thought that was what i heard. |
Response to barbtries (Reply #60)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:07 PM
SpartanDem (4,406 posts)
118. She's doing the opening prayer.
Response to SpartanDem (Reply #118)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:22 PM
barbtries (15,008 posts)
120. ok, thanks
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they get pretty pray-ee at these things i guess.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:47 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,825 posts)
62. DU still thinks that the president hates LGBT people.
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #62)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:51 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
64. Well, some DUers have issues
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Some more intensely than others. I just got called "Massa."
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Response to Hekate (Reply #64)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:57 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,825 posts)
67. WOW, really? That should be alerted. Personal attacks are uncalled for.
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #67)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:00 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
69. No worries
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #62)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:59 PM
Capt. Obvious (1,824 posts)
68. Why did you link to your own post?
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Doesn't support your premise.
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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #68)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:56 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,825 posts)
89. Most likely a mistake on my part...
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #62)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:39 PM
Maven (7,760 posts)
83. Actually, I think you should reread Occulus' response to you in that thread
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Since it apparently didn't sink in the first time.
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Response to Maven (Reply #83)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:50 PM
Capt. Obvious (1,824 posts)
86. He must be waiting for Occulus to apologize to him first
Response to Maven (Reply #83)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:55 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,825 posts)
88. I read it. I addressed it. I've moved on.
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #88)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:58 PM
Maven (7,760 posts)
90. Oh OK. I usually address things by doing nothing at all, too.
Response to Maven (Reply #90)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:21 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,825 posts)
97. Nothing to do. It is of no consequence to me. You can read what I posted.
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Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:25 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I stand firmly behind my words and my thoughts. The president is not a homophobe. The record is proof of that. Let's keep pushing him to do the right thing. Personally bashing him, however, is counterproductive.
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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #97)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:26 PM
Maven (7,760 posts)
100. Well, one can admire your single-mindedness I suppose.
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Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Hey, real sorry this didn't work out for you though. It seems like gay people really matter as much as other minorities and all hate speech is equally abhorrent, huh?
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Response to Maven (Reply #90)
Maven This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
Chorophyll (5,042 posts)
65. Oh good! I thought it was pretty strange that he was chosen, considering
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they also chose an openly gay poet.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:05 PM
BlancheSplanchnik (7,694 posts)
70. YAY!!!!
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Good!!
Interestingly, being picked and THEN REMOVED draws MORE attention to the understanding that anti-gay hate is not acceptable. Not just politely ignored, but ACTIVELY REMOVED. Very Good!!!!!!! |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:15 PM
Gore1FL (11,663 posts)
72. It'd be even more awesome if they had no one praying. n/t
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:16 PM
Warren DeMontague (46,225 posts)
74. Good.
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Good for our President.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
eridani (38,398 posts)
76. Be sure to email the White House and thank them n/t
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:22 PM
Maven (7,760 posts)
78. And for those DUers who defended this at the start, or claimed Giglio had probably changed his views
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here's the piece of shit's parting swipe at gay rights:
“It is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda a focal point of the inauguration,” Giglio said. Fuck you, asshole. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:22 PM
northoftheborder (3,434 posts)
79. In the first place, why, do they get these edgy fringe people to fill prominent religious spots?
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There are plenty of well-respected main-stream ministers they could ask, such as the Washington Cathedral minister or someone from the church the Obama's go to across the street from the White House.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jeff In Milwaukee (12,506 posts)
80. So you want to have clergy do a benediction?
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Contact Sojourners
Contact the National Council of Churches Contact the Interfaith Alliance For corn's sake, there are thousands of progressive clergy in this country. Including Ted Strickland from Ohio and, oh what was that fellow's name....just on the tip of my tongue. Oh yeah, JESSIE FREAKING JACKSON. How hard is this? |
Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #80)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:00 PM
KoKo (69,512 posts)
134. +1,000! Well Said!
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:32 PM
MotherPetrie (1,859 posts)
81. GOOD! He never should have been picked in the first place!
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:35 PM
bluestateguy (40,060 posts)
82. Whlle I appreciate that Obama is the most pro-LGBT president in history
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he has a nasty habit of being buddy-buddy with people who are homophobic.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:42 PM
AndyA (16,101 posts)
84. This is good news. There's enough hate and misunderstanding
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in the world already, without giving those who spread it a platform for their inhumanity.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:49 PM
Towlie (1,691 posts)
85. Don't stop there, remove the benediction as well!
Response to Towlie (Reply #85)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:31 PM
Hekate (21,206 posts)
125. Medgar Evers' widow should be dumped? Seriously?
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:20 PM
Erose999 (4,399 posts)
96. No more Louie Giggolo? And I was so looking forward to hearing his little speech.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:28 PM
JohnnyLib2 (9,404 posts)
102. Dumped the chump!
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:29 PM
wryter2000 (33,494 posts)
103. Thank heaven
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I couldn't believe Obama had an anti-gay "pastor" for a second time.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
cleanhippie (14,469 posts)
108. Good, but why the need for a religious person at all? Religion didn't get him reelected.
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People did. No god helped, people did it. Why pray and give thanks to a god that wasn't there.
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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #108)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:01 PM
WinkyDink (37,021 posts)
128. It's called "PR."
Response to WinkyDink (Reply #128)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:53 PM
cleanhippie (14,469 posts)
131. I call it pandering.
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To the lowest common denominator.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:53 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
110. Wow, bigtree.. thanks for the news. That
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Is what I call Great News!
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:18 PM
ReRe (2,847 posts)
119. "What a difference a day makes....
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.... 24 little hours....". Sing it. Never again should bigoted Evangelical "clergy" be given the opportunity to offer a prayer at the Inauguration Ceremony again. On this one account, it is a new day in America. This country has turned a 180 degree corner in the last 4 years. I'm so proud of this fact!
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:27 PM
Cha (124,385 posts)
121. Update: Statement from Addie Whisenant of the Presidential Inaugural Committee..
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Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Addie Whisenant of the Presidential Inaugural Committee said in a statement:
We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this Inaugural. Pastor Giglio was asked to deliver the benediction in large part for his leadership in combating human trafficking around the world. As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/01/10/1429501/anti-gay-pastor-removed-from-inaugural-program/ |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:32 PM
Initech (38,777 posts)
122. Thank god, I can't believe Obama would pick a bigoted douche like that.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:21 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
123. Why would the WH even book such a "pastor"?
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:31 PM
KY_Democrat (3 posts)
124. Give this a break you hypocritical
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DUers. I am a staunch democrat. I believe in civil rights for all people. I think our environment is precious and our duty to take care of it. I believe in peace, and caring for those who need help. I think Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, union rights, etc. are great moments in our nation's political dialogue. But look at the man's record in recent years. We have all said things we regret, particularly from 20 years ago. We have defended the ridiculous comments of Reverend Wright repeatedly on this board. I beg you, look at the man's record from the past 5 years. He has inspired college students to give 10-15 million dollars to causes that promote clean drinking water all over the world, end human slavery, provide homes in Haiti, and give medical care to those in need. His church has taken care of refugees and he has promoted the causes of human rights all over the world. What he said was absurd and undoubtedly bigoted. But this should not keep him from saying a prayer at the presidential inauguration. In moments like these, I think of John Adams, who defended the British troops after the Boston Massacre. Should this have kept him from serving as President or helping write the Declaration of Independence?
On a side note . . . the venom directed towards people of faith is completely absurd and ridiculous. We democrats are better than that! |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:33 PM
Riley18 (1,113 posts)
126. Great news.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:10 PM
Sunlei (2,210 posts)
129. Happy this has been corrected. Who will perform the benediction now? I hope it's different & cool!
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Sing the benediction
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
AlwaysQuestion (442 posts)
130. Benediction??
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Sorry, but why is a benediction necessary in any event? When it can never be assumed that all pastors embrace all peoples as their god's children it's high time to do away with the clergy during any government event paid for by all its country's citizenry.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:54 PM
indepat (18,882 posts)
133. Good riddance to this rotten hate monger
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:18 AM
Bolo Boffin (22,512 posts)
135. I would ask someone from the Wisconsin Sikh temple that was attacked in August. n/t
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:27 AM
obama2terms (338 posts)
136. Be glad they are not having the guy do this
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Just think about how all the presidents and their staffers before Obama wouldn't have given a crap even if they knew the guy said these things. Good riddance!
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Response to obama2terms (Reply #136)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:21 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,102 posts)
141. Last Inaugural, Obama did not give a crap. Here is his first term choice for Public Prayer Merchant
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Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:22 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Rick Warren, libeling LGBT people a few short weeks before the event. Obama and his staff refused to replace him in spite of this, and the lesson they learned was they will not get donations they need if they are too openly bigoted:
Other hate mongering purveyors of ignorance the Obama folks have hired or otherwise employed include Donnie 'we are at war with gays' McClurkin, who was personal surrogate to Barack Obama, Cardinal Dolan, the gospel act Sister Sister both members have called gay people prostitutes, thieves, drug addicts and they were the entertainment for Obama events. Michelle Obama took special efforts to praise McClurkin, whom she called her favorite 'gospel singer' although the 'at war with our neighbors' thing makes me think Michelle has scant understanding of the Gospel which says to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Not going to forget this bullshit without amends being made by the Obamas. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #141)
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:10 AM
cliffordu (29,419 posts)
145. And I'm thrilled that your
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Complete and undying obsession is to show us all how much this president has grown in the last four years.
Really. His growth has been remarkable. And that shit you post about Michelle?? Right on, brother!!! Feet to the fire!!! |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:02 AM
bluestate10 (8,569 posts)
138. I seriously don't understand the need of someone on the Obama team to have
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big congregation, evangelical ministers involved in ceremonies to start. There are religious groups that view and treat gays as brothers and sisters, why couldn't the Obama people have a minister from those groups do the invocation in 2009 and next week?
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:04 AM
Swede Atlanta (2,243 posts)
142. I live in Atlanta and have never heard of this guy.....
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but I attend a mainstream Protestant church that uses critical thinking in its reading and understanding of the Bible and acknowledges that all of God's creations are just that.
But this is a big misstep by the inaugural planning effort. A simple Google would have revealed this guy is controversial on a topic from which the majority of Americans have moved on. As a result the vetting process was either flawed or a wrong decision was taken. Had the controversy been something the Administration supported (for example in the 1980s if he had been opposed to Apartheid and the Administration was opposed) there may have been reason to include him in the inauguration. But not someone who is so out of step both with the American people but also the Administration. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:56 AM
davidpdx (8,777 posts)
146. I'm glad he decided to step aside
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That being said Think Progressive's title is misleading. He did choose to do it versus being booted off. We complain about misleading titles for articles about issues we care about, I don't believe in doing the same things the Republicans do.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:17 AM
blkmusclmachine (2,843 posts)
147. More Truthful Headline:
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Anti-Gay Preacher Declines WH Benedicition Invitation
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:29 AM
davesliberal1977_gg (22 posts)
148. Woohoo, fantastic news
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Bigots like Giglio have no place in the Presidential inauguration. Glad to see some people taking the right stand.
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