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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:14 AM

 

The Myth Of Hitler’s Gun Ban

Whenever a politician, or anyone else, starts talking about regulating guns, it’s a safe bet that someone will bring up how Hitler supposedly outlawed guns in Germany, which supposedly enabled him to do all the mischief he did. As we’ve noted before, Adolf is a staple reference among propagandists. It’s become an automatic response to compare anyone you don’t like to Der Fuhrer, on the grounds that since he was evil incarnate, everything he ever said or did must also be evil. People have even been known to suggest that since he was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil. It’s not surprising, then, that you often see this quote pop up:

“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” –Adolf Hitler, 1935

Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all. This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil.

What he did say, seven years later, was this: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.” So it’s fair to conclude that he believed “gun control” had its uses. But that’s quite a different thing from claiming that “gun control” was instrumental in the NAZI rise to power.

And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935. There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy. But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one. And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder. They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda.

Much more at this link: http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/

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Whovian Jan 2013 OP
LAGC Jan 2013 #1
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2
Confusious Jan 2013 #4
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #3
laundry_queen Jan 2013 #7
JPZenger Jan 2013 #35
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #36
dairydog91 Jan 2013 #5
orwell Jan 2013 #6
freshwest Jan 2013 #19
backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #8
Whovian Jan 2013 #11
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #13
cyberswede Jan 2013 #14
Rex Jan 2013 #23
Son of Gob Jan 2013 #17
backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #21
Son of Gob Jan 2013 #22
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #24
backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #26
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #27
backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #29
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #31
Son of Gob Jan 2013 #28
intaglio Jan 2013 #30
baldguy Jan 2013 #20
ellisonz Jan 2013 #25
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #33
byronius Jan 2013 #9
TalkingDog Jan 2013 #10
haarp1 Jan 2013 #12
pinto Jan 2013 #15
kwassa Jan 2013 #16
Iterate Jan 2013 #38
Whovian Jan 2013 #18
The Magistrate Jan 2013 #32
JPZenger Jan 2013 #34
aatruth Jan 2013 #37

Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:16 AM

1. Does Godwin's Law apply...

...if the OP starts out with a Hitler reference itself?

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Response to LAGC (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:25 AM

2. No cause this is history.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:44 AM

4. You have to compare someone to hitler

'I'm a vegetarian!' 'Hitler was too!'

Ironically, Hitler was a veg because he had bad gas problems. They don't catch the toots in those old films.

Ah, but the ironic part, if he had eaten meat, his problem would have gone away.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:33 AM

3. The other misconception is that the German people didnt like to be ruled by Hitler

and, if they had guns, would have revolted and prevented him from being a tyrant. In fact the German people loved him and followed him like a god or like the nitwits followed Georgie Bush, the stupid son. If Hitler would have asked nicely for the German people to give up their guns, they would have done so willingly.

The idea that the masses with guns will keep out tyranny of the elite is a joke on the idiots.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:19 AM

7. You pretty much summed it up nicely. nt

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:56 AM

35. Gestapo kept people under control with informers

One study found that the Nazis were able to keep German cities under control with very few Gestapo agents. Instead, they mainly depended upon citizens informing on each other.

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Response to JPZenger (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:53 AM

36. Yes I believe that is true. My point was that it wasnt gun control

that prevented the German people from overthrowing Hitler. In the most part, at least in the beginning, the German people loved Hitler. They loved his bullyishness. He was a bully but a bully for them. They were glad to surrender their rights for security. Not too different from some Americans that love Cheney and the Patriot Act.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:55 AM

5. Yes, it's silly.

The Nazis got into power the old fashioned way: massive political popularity, then application of the One Man, One Vote, One Time principle. Especially considering that the party was already especially popular in rural areas and among military veterans, it would seem that the Nazis wouldn't have had much need to confiscate firearms. Why would there be a popular revolt against a populist party, especially when that party represented some of the most heavily-armed segments of German society at the time?

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:15 AM

6. Hmmmm...

the party was already especially popular in rural areas and among military veterans

Sounds like the RepubliCons...

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Response to orwell (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:37 PM

19. Very much so, huh.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:17 PM

11. From '42. Hmmm.

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:48 PM

13. Damned Odd Company You Keep, Fella....



Here are some choice tit-bits from that link of yours:

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html

"The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
By Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

Documents the homosexual and occultic roots of the Nazi movement in Germany."

( Note the author, sponsor of 'kill gays' laws in Africa )

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

"Hitler was a fairly mainstream Leftist of his day."

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id1.html

"Nazis greatly restricted tobacco advertising, banned smoking in most public buildings, increasingly restricted and regulated tobacco farmers growing abilities, and engaged in a sophisticated anti-smoking public relations campaign. (Suing tobacco companies for announced consequences was a stunt that mysteriously eluded Hitler's thugs.) Despite the frightening parallels to the current war on tobacco, Mr. Proctor never even hints at the analogy."


More could be adduced, but I think this is sufficient to establish the point.

The link is to a poisonous, hard right site, of such obviously repellent character that one must suspect a person using it to try and prove a point in debate is aware of, and agrees with, its contents.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:28 PM

14. +1

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:36 AM

23. YEP.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:47 PM

17. Tick Tock

The clock is ticking on your troll ass.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240202805

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:24 AM

21. my troll ass?

I've been here far longer than you troll

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:32 AM

22. I'm not posting links to RW hate sites like you troll.

Enjoy your remaining hours, it won't be long before Admin boots your troll ass back to FreeRepublic.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:40 AM

24. And No Doubt About it, Sir: It is a Right-Wing Hate Site

And quite up-front about it, too: no way for anyone to make a mistake about its nature.

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Response to Son of Gob (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:48 AM

26. why are you so hateful?

My God..this place has gone insane

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:50 AM

27. Why Are You Citing 'Hitler Is a Leftist' Links On a Right-Wing Hate Site, Sir?

Most people, at least most people here, consider that hateful behavior, to put it mildly.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:05 AM

29. I googled hitler jews guns

that was the first thing that came up.I didn't even look at the site.I read the link and posted it.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:15 AM

31. That, Sir, is Weak Tea Laced With Bull-Shit

I do not believe you, and see absolutely no reason I ought to believe you.

The character of that site is immediately obvious, just from the 'Hitler-Leftist' in the link itself. It is unmistakable. And even if I did believe you, which I do not, you have not exonerated yourself, but only confessed to such a lack of judgement and sense on the subject of 'gun rights' that you will align with anyone, lie down with any dog that barks in a pleasing chorus with you, and when you lie down with dogs, you own the fleas you get up with.

You have cited, and endorsed, claims that gun control is a Hitlerite scheme and a prime factor in the Holocaust: no one is going to forget it. People have been bounced off the site for doing just what you have done.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:07 AM

30. No, you have gone insane linking ro a well known hate site.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:54 PM

20. Did you even bother to actually *read* what is listed at that link?

Do you think the Nazis applied the term "subject races" to the average *Aryan* German citizen?

Of course they took guns away from the Jews. They took everything away from the Jews.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:47 AM

25. Why are you posting right-wing material on DU?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:46 AM

33. That is a disgusting link

That should be banned from DU. It is disgusting that you are crowing about posting this. as "proof."

HITLER WAS NOT A FRIGGING LEFTIST!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:10 AM

9. I am re-reading Toland's biography of Hitler right now, for the fifth or sixth time.

And there is a moment that he took people's guns away.

The brownshirts and SS went on a rampage right before a critical election in the early thirties, and detained and seized the weapons of all the liberals.

Just the liberals, the Social Democrats, and the communists. They were tortured, disappeared, and beaten in large numbers, especially the leaders; the Nazis failed to do well in the election, however. The key was Hindenburg, and the support of the wealthy industrialists, and other powerful figures like Sleicher and Papen, who thought they could control the Psychopathic God that was Adolf.

No one else's weapons or guns were touched.

To me, it reads Teabaggerstan all the way. The same words, the same intent. For Republicans to invoke Hitler is for Republicans to call on their fucking patron saint.

The ultimate in lying irony, as always, from the right wing.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:14 PM

10. thank you. just used this on Facebook

n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:18 PM

12. Not that simple

 

The OP is a bit misleading in their conclusion. The NAZIs refused gun ownership to people who opposed them - thus removing the ability to oppose the NAZI regime in any meaningful way. So in a way gun regulation let the NAZIs have peace of mind when it came to any threat of revolution at home. The people allowed weapons were deemed trustworthy citizens who already loved the new regime.

But let it be a lesson to us all, the dangers of allowing so much power to be centralized and given to a bureaucratic monster. Whether it's national socialism or international socialism, we must be cautious as a lot lay dead due to the utopian ideals of what's known as 'Statism' (big government regimes).

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Response to haarp1 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:51 PM

15. Do you feel gun regulation legislation, enacted by elected reps, is actually a threat to any of us?

Not sure I get your point.

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Response to haarp1 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:02 PM

16. and how do you define bureaucratic monster?

Is a democratic bureaucracy as dangerous as a totalitarian bureaucracy?

National socialists (Nazis) were not socialists at all. It was just the name of the party.

Like the way communist East Germany was named the German Democratic Republic. There was nothing democratic about it, of course. No republic, either.

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Response to haarp1 (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:51 PM

38. Interesting user name you chose...

Does it have anything to do with this:

HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction.
Radio Waves strong enough to cause earthquakes are controlled by the U.S. military.
http://www.bariumblues.com/haarp1.htm

Or is it just a coincidence? Maybe you have more to share.

For what it's worth, Germany was awash in military surplus weapons during the 1920's, something often ignored, and was a major factor in the rise of that party. I assume that bit of history is ignored because it doesn't fit well into the NRA/white supremacist narrative, as it is uncomfortably close to the consumerist production of military weapons in the US.

The Nazis made early and effective use of those weapons, first gunning down liberals, socialists, and communists, overpowering the local police, and eventually growing to rival the national military. So maybe it does fit the white supremacist fantasy after all, even as it is ignored in the public narrative.

Welcome to DU, BTW. Hope it was worth the signup for you.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:16 PM

18. This thread seems to have drawn some out from under the bridge

 

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as well as new posters.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:18 PM

32. True, Sir

And the display may yt have some salutory effect....

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:52 AM

34. Another myth: Hitler was elected. Conservatives actually put him into power to avoid Commies

Another common myth is that Hitler was elected into office by the German people. The Nazi party was actually decreasing in voting power when Hitler was installed as Chancellor. The powerful conservatives put Hitler into power because they thought he was the best person to deal harshly with the Communists, and because they thought they would be able to control him.

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