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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:53 PM

If guns make us safe

then why isn't the United States the safest country in the world?

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:56 PM

1. On the other hand...

Being that America has something like half of all the privately owned firearms in existance, we should be the least safe country on earth.

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Response to beevul (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:25 AM

4. A-yup.

If civilian firearms were such a deadly danger, why is anyone here still alive (given c. 300 million of them in circulation)?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:27 AM

5. Oh well, when you put it that way.

We still have a huge fucking gun problem.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:42 AM

7. We certainly have a gun violence problem, I'd never dispute that.

I by no means oppose all new regulation proposals, that's for sure.

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:59 PM

2. i'm sure someone will say there are too many regulations

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:22 AM

3. Excellent observation. Many in gun culture would still carry and accumulate them if crime were 0.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:01 AM

10. Just as many would want guns banned if gun crime were 0. N/T

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Response to beevul (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:12 AM

11. Well,why not? Does that mean "defense" is not the reason you carry guns in public places?

I think "defense" has little to do with reason gun culture is so into firearms.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:42 AM

12. For the nth time hoyt, I don't carry a gun.

Maybe lay off the ibuprofen a little eh?

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:28 AM

6. Because guns do not make you safer.

At least not using the definition for safer as "lowering your risk of danger".

What guns do is make you more prepared for dealing with the danger when it arrives.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:49 AM

9. And more likely to shoot at something you perceive as danger which actually isn't.

Like little kids at school, or people watching a movie, or your own wife walking around the house at night.

Stuff like that.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:01 AM

14. It is all about risk management.

If these are high risks for you, you probably need better or more training to fix your bad behavior since all of these could be interpreted as criminal.

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:48 AM

8. Our non-gun homicide rate is the same as other countries' total homicide rate

Assuming that an aggressive and successful and popular civilian disarmament campaign of US citizens would reduce gun-related deaths to near-zero levels, and assuming that only half of murders committed with guns would instead be done with "other", we'd still have double the homicide rate of other advanced and gun-free countries.

The reason we're not as as safe is structural.

Shitty social services, very uneven and expensive health care coverage, insane drug laws and the associated gangs and violence that goes with them, the prison-industrial complex, massive economic insecurity...


Look at other advanced countries that have these problems more under control than us, and you see less crime and violence.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:36 AM

15. ^^^there^^^

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:43 AM

16. Nobody wants to change those things, there are established money sinks surrounding those concerns

I also think crime and violence are not really the concern for a fair chunk of folks, it is a control issue.

For a few a gun represents something antithetical to them. It goes beyond the items themselves and of course the opposite is obvious and apparent. Weirdo totem wars that I can't truly discern but can't help but to observe.

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 01:46 AM

13. lol

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Response to B Calm (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:33 AM

17. This is why I needs mah guns



The ChiComms errr North Koreans might invade.

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